Exhausted Antipsychotics versus low dopamine levels

[Snowy_Hell]

So I've been thinking, why would legal drug peddlers aka psychiatrists, zombify me with a ton of antipsychotics "to help me", making me suicidal, when whenever I do speed, I feel like I really want to live? Clearly, my dopaminergic neuroreceptors are downregulated, something that Russian Phenotropil (Phenylpiracetam) effectively reverts, but psych hellraisers insist that I must be zombified with black boxed "medicine", instead of simply admitting that they work for planetary pharmacy mafia and are out to drug us all into compliance? Shit, I guess I've answered my own question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylpiracetam

 

[Mafioso]

Not a fan of antipsychs myself... was forced to take it while in jail for a month and at first I kind of liked it because it made it easy to sleep all day but then I noticed it started making it hard to even think and talk.... was strange, so I'd get disciplinaries for spitting it in the toilet.

Guessing it's because the psych believes you have some sort of schizophrenic or psychotic disorder, as they are both theorized to be associated with high levels of dopamine. Tbh, there are a lot of things being practiced in psychiatric medicine that I find lacking sufficient evidence compared to any other science or medicine. Like antidepressants being about as effective as a sugar pill yet still widely prescribed, and a lack of any real evidence backing the whole chemical imbalance theory- an idea largely put forth by the pharmaceutical companies.

Either way, if they are making you feel like that, I would suggest telling your doc and tapering off. What was the reason they gave for putting you on them?

 

[Snowy_Hell]

Not a fan of antipsychs myself... was forced to take it while in jail for a month and at first I kind of liked it because it made it easy to sleep all day but then I noticed it started making it hard to even think and talk.... was strange, so I'd get disciplinaries for spitting it in the toilet.

Guessing it's because the psych believes you have some sort of schizophrenic or psychotic disorder, as they are both theorized to be associated with high levels of dopamine. Tbh, there are a lot of things being practiced in psychiatric medicine that I find lacking sufficient evidence compared to any other science or medicine. Like antidepressants being about as effective as a sugar pill yet still widely prescribed, and a lack of any real evidence backing the whole chemical imbalance theory- an idea largely put forth by the pharmaceutical companies.

Either way, if they are making you feel like that, I would suggest telling your doc and tapering off. What was the reason they gave for putting you on them?

Yeah, I'm diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, but doctors don't want to hear about not taking antipsychotics, while I did a stupid thing in amphetamine psychosis, so that court will probably send me to a year in a closed ward, on antipsychotics. I think I won't be able to endure that shit. These wards are disgusting. Basically, I have an underlying developmental PTSD that fucked me up completely, and then I've made it worse with amphetamines. I remember myself slowly fading into a mess, over the course of my life.

 

[Mafioso]

Hopefully you'll get some reasonable psych and nurses if you do get sent to the ward. Do your best to honestly explain that it was an amphetamine psychosis and stay on your best behavior-hopefully they will recognize that it'd be unethical for them to give antipsychs to someone for a whole year when it was really a drug induced psychosis. But then again, a schizoaffective disorder is probably enough to (legally) justify force feeding pills. Idk, I wish I had better advice for you man, but the only other thing I can think of is how some people get really good at tonguing them until the nurses aren't around. Maybe if you can get treatment before you are forced to do so, you can show them not only that you are willing, but have someone advocating for you to not go to the ward.

What is the graph that you posted? I've got PTSD myself, pretty sure starting in my childhood.

 

[Snowy_Hell]

Hopefully you'll get some reasonable psych and nurses if you do get sent to the ward. Do your best to honestly explain that it was an amphetamine psychosis and stay on your best behavior-hopefully they will recognize that it'd be unethical for them to give antipsychs to someone for a whole year when it was really a drug induced psychosis. But then again, a schizoaffective disorder is probably enough to (legally) justify force feeding pills. Idk, I wish I had better advice for you man, but the only other thing I can think of is how some people get really good at tonguing them until the nurses aren't around. Maybe if you can get treatment before you are forced to do so, you can show them not only that you are willing, but have someone advocating for you to not go to the ward.

What is the graph that you posted? I've got PTSD myself, pretty sure starting in my childhood.

Thanks for the advice, but it won't work. It's up to the court and its forensic psychiatrists to decide my fate. They'll probably just extinguish me with antipsychotics. I'd much rather go to jail since there's at least a gym. Boredom in the psych ward is plain lethal. And they lock up the rooms, having us on our feet for 15 hours a day. Bah, I'm most likely completely fucked.
The graph shows how PTSD sufferers' brains can't determine the nature and possibility of associated danger from the external stimuli, seeing everything as a potential threat, triggering the adrenal glands and flooding said brains with cortisol and associated catecholamines that further fry the brain and the prefrontal cortex in particular.
I've taken that graph from the speech by Bessel van der Kolk, a neuropsychiatrist who actually does science before applying medicine, unlike psychiatric charlatans and their western psychopharmacy cartel. Here's the link about complex PTSD from childhood trauma, I've found it rather enlightening:

 

[Mafioso]

It's up to the court and its forensic psychiatrists to decide my fate.

Largely, yes, but your behavior prior to sentencing and demeanor during can make a big difference. If you start treatment now, have a mental health care specialist who will advocate for you, even possibly serve as an expert witness- things can go a whole lot different. All of that may not be possible, but any rational psychiatrists will take into account you getting treatment by your own will, before being forced to, and reduce sentence/treatment time and intensity.

The graph shows how PTSD sufferers' brains can't determine the nature and possibility of associated danger from the external stimuli, seeing everything as a potential threat, triggering the adrenal glands and flooding said brains with cortisol and associated catecholamines that further fry the brain and the prefrontal cortex in particular.
I've taken that graph from the speech by Bessel van der Kolk, a neuropsychiatrist who actually does science before applying medicine, unlike psychiatric charlatans and their western psychopharmacy cartel. Here's the link about complex PTSD from childhood trauma, I've found it rather enlightening:

That's really interesting... I've never heard that about PTSD before. It makes understanding a lot of my behaviors/reactions/responses a lot more understandable. Being able to respond emotionally reasonable can be very difficult for me in certain situations, even when cognitively I know there is no danger or threat.

 

[ions]

It’s hell. I’m trying to convince my psychiatrist that pot is better than APs. If they insist injectables then ketamine over invega.

 

[Snowy_Hell]

Largely, yes, but your behavior prior to sentencing and demeanor during can make a big difference. If you start treatment now, have a mental health care specialist who will advocate for you, even possibly serve as an expert witness- things can go a whole lot different. All of that may not be possible, but any rational psychiatrists will take into account you getting treatment by your own will, before being forced to, and reduce sentence/treatment time and intensity.

That's really interesting... I've never heard that about PTSD before. It makes understanding a lot of my behaviors/reactions/responses a lot more understandable. Being able to respond emotionally reasonable can be very difficult for me in certain situations, even when cognitively I know there is no danger or threat.

I know, but there's no such options for me. I'm glad that you've found the video to be revealing. It clarified so much in my case.

 

[Snowy_Hell]

It’s hell. I’m trying to convince my psychiatrist that pot is better than APs. If they insist injectables then ketamine over invega.

They'll never abandon "meds" that my country's psychiatric bar dictates.

 

[neversickanymore]

Hang in there. Hopefully they can work this out soon. I like the reserch going on exploring the relationship between dopamine and glutamate. Instead of regulating dopamine to treat symptoms they are looking to try and regulate glutamate. Take a look at whats going on around this and possibly check out ways you may be able to influence your glutamate levels.

 

[Snowy_Hell]

Hang in there. Hopefully they can work this out soon. I like the reserch going on exploring the relationship between dopamine and glutamate. Instead of regulating dopamine to treat symptoms they are looking to try and regulate glutamate. Take a look at whats going on around this and possibly check out ways you may be able to influence your glutamate levels.

Thanks for the idea though I'm more inclined towards Russian nootropics like Selank.

 

[Isnortice91]

I'm court ordered to take invega injection it pisses me off . My probation ends on the 23rd of this month so no more injections!.
Fuck the system!.

 

[dopamimetic]

Oh yeah the relationship between dopamine and glutamate is very interesting, yet not fully deciphered afaik (theres probably more than I know about though).

Personal experience is that NMDA antagonists can be great antipsychotics with none of the side effects of antidopaminergics which tend to worsen 'negative symptoms' and instead help with them. Maybe biggest plus is that there are no dyskinesias. Risks lie elsewhere unfortunately, toxicity to the bladder and some neurotoxicity issues aren't yet fully understood. Personally I would choose a nmda antagonist above an antidopaminergic any time, but that's of course subjective.

I had strong adverse effects from any of the antidopaminergics tried, independent of typical or atypical. The weirdest was risperidone which actually induced acoustic hallucinations.. Only few people get this but it's listed and for sure makes a hellish downward spiral for these affected and/or their doc not being properly educated.

Don't get it how lightly strong antipsychs are prescribed, even as depot injection, in people not suffering from real, threatening delusions that also respond to dopamine blockade (not all and everyone does).

Maybe the only one actually helping with low dopamine is (ami)sulpiride in low dosages where it primarily blocks autoreceptors leading to an increase in dopamine transmission.

 

[chrispche]

I'm not recommending it, everyone is different, but from personal experience. Abilify has helped me no end. It does not zombiefy you as Olanzapine or Clozapine. It's mechanism of action is not to lower dopamine. Rather regulate it in a benign sort of way. I get no side effects from it and feel very stable. I'm diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I take that along with Mirtazapine and Lamotrigine.

 

[MJ420]

Heroin is a great antidepressant but no doctor will prescribe it because that's counterproductive. Just like you won't get speed. I don't understand why your doctor can't try you on a therapeutic dose of amphetamine if it works but they won't. Alot of disorders could be helpful if doctors weren't so scared we might enjoy ourselves