ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.

[Droppersneck]

Deep down I'm wondering what Rand Paul's neighbors true motives were for attacking him. His wife gave an interview and dispelled all of the rumors about it being a supposed yard work beef. This guy was in all sorts of alt left Facebook groups and really hated trump. What kind of luck is this after already almost getting gunned down by the Sanders shooter, yet another alt left whacko looking for blood. You know i joke, but thank god liberals can't shoot very well. The Sanders shooter could have done major damage to this country had he had better aim.

 

[spacejunk]

Troll somewhere else, droppy

 

[Droppersneck]

Im interested in what part of that post you consider a troll? Just bc you don't like something that doesn't make it trolling. The interview with his wife yesterday revealed that there was no yard work beef. And this guy has been described by all of his neighbors as a huge lefty. In fact, a good friend of mines parents live in river green and he said they knew him to be a huge Hillary shill during the election, and in general very open about his liberal politics. The question is what were his motives. I think we will find out when the charges get upgraded to a felony.

 

[nuttynutskin]

If you label these images as "humor", perhaps it's time to look in the mirror with regard to your own attitudes towards violence.

Lol... I'm not a violent person but I have no sympathy for people who go looking for trouble and find it.

The interview with his wife yesterday revealed that there was no yard work beef. And this guy has been described by all of his neighbors as a huge lefty.

Yeah, the whole yardwork thing sounded like bullshit to me.

 

[cduggles]

Lol... I'm not a violent person but I have no sympathy for people who go looking for trouble and find it.

rofl cuz so funE...Maybe you could watch your fake news violence porn and keep it to yourself?

Yeah, the whole yardwork thing sounded like bullshit to me.

CAN THE RAND PAUL POSTS PLEASE BE MOVED TO THE RAND PAUL THREAD?

 

[nuttynutskin]

It's funny how anything that paints the left in a bad light is either dismissed as "fake news" or just ignored completely, but it's ok to throw around labels like nazis and fascists to people on the right even if they're not. The bias is strong.

 

[spacejunk]

I don't use terms like "fake news". I haven't seen anyone else here say that either.

Nor have i denied that militant anti-fascism uses violence. So i'm not sure what you're talking about.

If you want to talk about double standards, how's this one;

Nazi gets punched - "opposes free speech", "hypocrisy"

Leftist gets hit with a club - "humour" "no sympathy"

If you think nazis are free speech advocates, you're dead wrong. You've been manipulated if you think they are on the side of free speech; they are the opposite of that.

This black-and-white mentality is just completely twisted. Nazis do not value free speech. Nazis kill people who disagree with them, and they abuse the freedom "free speech" provisions allow them.
But hey, keep defending nazis. If you're you have the luxury of supporting their right to intimidate, terrorise and murder people, lucky you. Lots of people don't have that privilege.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Do any antifas wanna read this, it's National Review and they are "never trumpers" (ie they dont like trump) so you can read this and tell me why the article is wrong.

purpose of words is, the philosopher Josef Pieper suggested, “to convey reality.” But it is clear that, for Antifa, the purpose is to cloak reality. Antifa’s reason for describing something or someone as “fascist” is not that it is actually fascist (although perhaps on occasion they do stumble onto the genuine item), but that describing it that way is politically advantageous. Likewise with any number of other slurs. Antifa are in effect claiming to oppose everything that is bad — and, of course, it is Antifa who decide what is bad. Hence the organizers of the Inauguration Day protests could write, as their mission statement, that “#DisruptJ20 rejects all forms of domination and oppression.” That is a good monopoly if you can get it.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...t-movement-roots-left-wing-political-violence

I just am missing the nobile side to antifa. I just read the worst things about this group but I want to seek deeper.

 

[cduggles]

SJ, I used the term "fake news violence porn" to describe nutty's "humor".

He never provides sources and he's posted debunked garbage Antifa pics before.

Has anyone here said nazis value free speech? Or are they just saying antifa is antifree speech and you think "yea but the nazis are worse so that's ok"?

Not trying to make a point, it's an honest question. I haven't seen any defense of nazis on this thread, just the suggestion that if you're not pro antifa you're pro fa instead.

But then I've avoided this thread and CE&P for a while now so maybe I just missed it.

Maybe you should read all the posts and catch up, plus a refresher on all the ones that came before? Then you can come up with fresh complaints and then tell us all why we're wrong.
Alternatively...

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Ps...as a jew...i love when nazis exercise free speech. They are so easy to identify. American jews have a long history of supoorting the free speech of nazis. We love that shit.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/12/16138326/aclu-charlottesville-protests-racism

 

[cduggles]

^^How Jewish are you Morninggloryseed?
(I graduated from a top 5 Jewish educational institution and worked at two, so the whole religious label doesn't faze me. At all. )

My Jewish friends hate Neonazis or are alarmed by the rise in white supremacy. What about your Jewish friends? Or older Jewish relatives or acquaintances? Do they all "love that shit" with Nazism too?

 

[spacejunk]

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I just am missing the nobile side to antifa. I just read the worst things about this group but I want to seek deeper.

I think you'll always struggle to grasp why people fight nazis if you don't get it already.
It's not really that complicated.

 

[JessFR]

SJ, I used the term "fake news violence porn" to describe nutty's "humor".

He never provides sources and he's posted debunked garbage Antifa pics before.



Maybe you should read all the posts and catch up, plus a refresher on all the ones that came before? Then you can come up with fresh complaints and then tell us all why we're wrong.
Alternatively...

Fuck that. I asked a question, if he doesn't want to answer or decides to give a bullshit answer fine. But I'm not investing time and effort coming to a considered view just so it can be mocked and derided in favor of an "obvious" view built entirely on appeals to emotion.

Actually, I have a better idea still, I can retract the question entirely. Saves the most time of all and I knew saying anything was a mistake right from the start.

So never mind.

I think you'll always struggle to grasp why people fight nazis if you don't get it already.
It's not really that complicated.

This isn't about fighting nazis. If it were you'd be offering compassion and empathy to people at risk of falling to extremism. What we have here is one group of extremists fighting another group of extremists over ideological differences. This is about eliminating the competition.

 

[spacejunk]

I'm tired of responding to the "free speech" angle, because it's totally irrelevant.

Free speech can be abused very easily. Once we get to the point of heavily armed nazi rallies descending upon towns and killing and bashing people who disagree with them, free speech has nothing to do with it. It's easy for armchair critics to talk about abstract concepts like free speech - but if you were a target of these people you might feel differently about it.

 

[JessFR]

Exactly, you think it's irrelivent because you don't give a shit, you don't accept that I have a right to an opinion you deem off limits. So why would you think I'd feel any different about it? I'm just as much a target of YOU.

I don't agree with you, how long till I'm a nazi too if I'm not already, then you can come and use force to silence me? I mean I oppose you, which means by proxy I'm helping the nazis, which means I'm as good as a nazi, which means I'm the enemy right?

Should I be any less concerned about being a victim of violence from people like you as people like them?

 

[nuttynutskin]

I don't use terms like "fake news". I haven't seen anyone else here say that either.

Nor have i denied that militant anti-fascism uses violence. So i'm not sure what you're talking about.

It wasn't directed towards you specifically.

If you want to talk about double standards, how's this one;

Nazi gets punched - "opposes free speech", "hypocrisy"

Leftist gets hit with a club - "humour" "no sympathy"

I would laugh just as much at a nazi who was starting shit getting dealt with as one of these antifa types. But the fact is a lot of times it's antifa and the like who are the instigators in these situations. I would never laugh at someone being attacked unprovoked, but antifa doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

If you think nazis are free speech advocates, you're dead wrong. You've been manipulated if you think they are on the side of free speech; they are the opposite of that.

I'm not manipulated by anything... Just because "nazis" don't advocate free speech doesn't mean that I don't. And as long as nazis or fascists (meaning anyone antifa disagrees with) aren't breaking the law I think they should be able to express their views.

This black-and-white mentality is just completely twisted. Nazis do not value free speech. Nazis kill people who disagree with them, and they abuse the freedom "free speech" provisions allow them.
But hey, keep defending nazis. If you're you have the luxury of supporting their right to intimidate, terrorise and murder people, lucky you. Lots of people don't have that privilege.

You're just making shit up now, and it's pretty funny you're talking about a twisted black and white mentality when antifa seems to freely dub anyone they don't agree with as a nazi or fascist. To me these terms are dangerous when they're tossed around so haphazardly. Either way I've never condoned anyone being intimidated, terrorised or murdered. I merely support free speech, as much as I may detest what's being said.

 

[cduggles]

Fuck that. I asked a question, if he doesn't want to answer or decides to give a bullshit answer fine. But I'm not investing time and effort coming to a considered view just so it can be mocked and derided in favor of an "obvious" view built entirely on appeals to emotion.

Actually, I have a better idea still, I can retract the question entirely. Saves the most time of all and I knew saying anything was a mistake right from the start.

So never mind.

You always post some version of this diatribe and then proceed to invest a lot of emotion...

 

[etnies]

Ah, fresh off my second ban. I won't be posting here anymore because these hardcore cali liberals hate free speech.

Also:

I don't agree with you, how long till I'm a nazi too if I'm not already, then you can come and use force to silence me? I mean I oppose you, which means by proxy I'm helping the nazis, which means I'm as good as a nazi, which means I'm the enemy right?

Should I be any less concerned about being a victim of violence from people like you as people like them?

100% spot on dude. Take care!

 

[spacejunk]

Exactly, you think it's irrelivent because you don't give a shit, you don't accept that I have a right to an opinion you deem off limits. So why would you think I'd feel any different about it? I'm just as much a target of YOU

You're right jess - i don't give a shit about the rights of terrorists.
I'm kind of bored of people making academic arguments about things that are a genuine threat in the real world.

Silence you? Come on - now you're just being melodramatic.
Antifascism targets nazis. Nobody else.
If you're getting mistaken for a nazi, antifa are the least of your problems.

This isn't about fighting nazis. If it were you'd be offering compassion and empathy to people at risk of falling to extremism. What we have here is one group of extremists fighting another group of extremists over ideological differences. This is about eliminating the competition.

Ugh.
Antifascists do encourage people to stop being nazis.
And the whole fucking point is about compassion - compassion for people in the community who are targeted by fucking nazis. Whether they are muslim, black, gay, jewish, communists or anyone else nazis plot to murder.
I get the impression you have no intention of understanding why people stand up to nazis in the only way you can. You just want to make academic arguments.
If you took the threat of the extreme right seriously, you might be less defensive, but it's kind of tiresome having to answer to ridiculous claims about "who will they attack next?" It's a joke.

When we're done fighting nazis we go back to the campaigns we've been distracted by when the nazis popped up - all the other campaigns we were fighting (various environmental and human rights concerns).
There are no examples of antifa attacking "everyone they disagree with" because that's simply bullshit.
The slippery slope fallacy is especially ridiculous in this context.

 

[JessFR]

You always post some version of this diatribe and then proceed to invest a lot of emotion...

Well that's cause I'm retarded and keep making the same mistakes.

It can take a long time before I'm fed up enough to actually stop. But it usually happens eventually.