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I'm an IV heroin addict... I'm not all that, shall we say preoccupied with health concerns about what I put into my body. 
ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.
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But punching people you disagree with isn't?
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Scrofula
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form of expression.
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Scrofula, the hot dog thing confused me. Epicly. Easily done though. . . 
It's gotta be possible to criticise antifa without being thought to condone nazism. Most of the criticism I read simply dislike s antifa using the same methods (at times) as Nazis or the far right. In the eyes of many, nazism is almost synonymous with evil. Its usually unspoken. Perhaps that isn't the best approach but I understand the assumption underlying it. But, it bothers me to have to even explain that, simply to qualify or justify a difference of methodology and not one of ideology.
The tactics antifa sometimes use are against the expectations of society and are a slippery slope that we actively should want desperately to avoid. Because people generally do not want violence, the tactics of antifa are alienating a lot of people. Can you see how turning a lot of people against antifascism could lend support to fascism? In my opinion, using violence is going to strengthen the opposition. Maybe only indirectly but still a risk I'm uncomfortable with.
Hot dogs are barely even meat![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I'm a reformed vegan. Just eggs and some dairy these days.
It's gotta be possible to criticise antifa without being thought to condone nazism. Most of the criticism I read simply dislike s antifa using the same methods (at times) as Nazis or the far right. In the eyes of many, nazism is almost synonymous with evil. Its usually unspoken. Perhaps that isn't the best approach but I understand the assumption underlying it. But, it bothers me to have to even explain that, simply to qualify or justify a difference of methodology and not one of ideology.
The tactics antifa sometimes use are against the expectations of society and are a slippery slope that we actively should want desperately to avoid. Because people generally do not want violence, the tactics of antifa are alienating a lot of people. Can you see how turning a lot of people against antifascism could lend support to fascism? In my opinion, using violence is going to strengthen the opposition. Maybe only indirectly but still a risk I'm uncomfortable with.
Ive entertained the idea of vegetarianism before. I really don't like the way we treat animals in the food industry. But... But... My hot dog.
Hot dogs are barely even meat
I'm a reformed vegan. Just eggs and some dairy these days.
I think it's also just a defiance of a stereotype. Everyone expects nazis to be violent, because it's what nazism is.
But when people who are pro-diversity, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia etc - people expect you to be all touchy-feely.
And they freak out when you don't comform to the cliché.
It's just a lazy stereotype.
And no - again - we don't people we "disagree with". We punch nazis.
One thing everybody seems to be conveniently ignoring, however, is that antifa don't go around killing people.
People talk about whether or not we should "punch a nazi", not "kill a nazi", "stab a nazi" or "shoot a nazi".
Antifa may use violence sometimes, but with purpose, and direction. Contrary to the tabloid hatchet-jobs you read in the mainstream press about antifascists, we don't revel in violence, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
For what it's worth, i've been to at least a dozen antifascist rallies in multiple cities, and never been involved in or even witnessed antifascist violence.
Don't believe everything that you read.
If you compare this to the rhetoric - and actions of neo-nazis, you'll notice that they're not talking about punching "antifas". They talk about killing us. And jews, muslims, blacks, gays, etc etc etc.
Small difference? Maybe. Maybe not.
Punching nazis is an expression defending free speech. All you free speech advocates need to step out of the abstract on this one.
You know what happens to freedom of speech when nazis gain power?
Surely i don't have to explain that...
"Freedom of speech" is a red herring.
But when people who are pro-diversity, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia etc - people expect you to be all touchy-feely.
And they freak out when you don't comform to the cliché.
It's just a lazy stereotype.
And no - again - we don't people we "disagree with". We punch nazis.
One thing everybody seems to be conveniently ignoring, however, is that antifa don't go around killing people.
People talk about whether or not we should "punch a nazi", not "kill a nazi", "stab a nazi" or "shoot a nazi".
Antifa may use violence sometimes, but with purpose, and direction. Contrary to the tabloid hatchet-jobs you read in the mainstream press about antifascists, we don't revel in violence, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
For what it's worth, i've been to at least a dozen antifascist rallies in multiple cities, and never been involved in or even witnessed antifascist violence.
Don't believe everything that you read.
If you compare this to the rhetoric - and actions of neo-nazis, you'll notice that they're not talking about punching "antifas". They talk about killing us. And jews, muslims, blacks, gays, etc etc etc.
Small difference? Maybe. Maybe not.
Punching nazis is an expression defending free speech. All you free speech advocates need to step out of the abstract on this one.
You know what happens to freedom of speech when nazis gain power?
Surely i don't have to explain that...
"Freedom of speech" is a red herring.
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Scrofula
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The hot dog analogy was part of the slowly devolving "but Jess" thread. She asked about taking sides, or something.
I meant that being opposed to fascism didn't mean you had to be anything else, specifically. You could be Republican or Jill Stein Democrat and agree that fascism was bad, and be, in your way, antifa.
I'm certainly anti-fascist but don't live where I need to worry about white supremacists too much, so I'm not out bombing any buildings. But if the day came . . . .
That's been my only damn point, and I keep at this damn thing.
I want to repeat one last time, the most effective antifa in the US right now are district court officers and government personnel, working to block further attempts by this admin to damage our country. Lawyers did things like stop travel bans, not college kids with t-shirts on their heads.
ANd hot dogs are disgusting. Corn syrup and assholes.
I meant that being opposed to fascism didn't mean you had to be anything else, specifically. You could be Republican or Jill Stein Democrat and agree that fascism was bad, and be, in your way, antifa.
I'm certainly anti-fascist but don't live where I need to worry about white supremacists too much, so I'm not out bombing any buildings. But if the day came . . . .
That's been my only damn point, and I keep at this damn thing.
I want to repeat one last time, the most effective antifa in the US right now are district court officers and government personnel, working to block further attempts by this admin to damage our country. Lawyers did things like stop travel bans, not college kids with t-shirts on their heads.
ANd hot dogs are disgusting. Corn syrup and assholes.
JessFR
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I like corn syrup and assholes . With ketchup mustard and onions...
You can't defend free speech by undermining it.
I DO NOT believe letting nazis hold their stupid rally's and honoring their rights to free speech holds ANY danger of them gaining real political power. I think it's total bullshit. But it doesn't matter all that much. There are lots of tactics you can legally and ethically use to fight these people. All you can't do is try and illegally use force to silence them. That isn't ok. That's no better than them.
It's that simple. There are a lot more dangers to free society than just fascists and white supremisists.
Slowly undermining free speech by accepting that certain groups can't be allowed free speech is just as, if not more likely a way to lose such freedoms.
There are a lot of people who want a lot of people silenced. And they will pounce on any attempt to undermine free speech. If you get to silence this group, I should get to silence my group. The only way it can work is to consider silencing ANYBODY going too far.
. With ketchup mustard and onions...You can't defend free speech by undermining it.
I DO NOT believe letting nazis hold their stupid rally's and honoring their rights to free speech holds ANY danger of them gaining real political power. I think it's total bullshit. But it doesn't matter all that much. There are lots of tactics you can legally and ethically use to fight these people. All you can't do is try and illegally use force to silence them. That isn't ok. That's no better than them.
It's that simple. There are a lot more dangers to free society than just fascists and white supremisists.
Slowly undermining free speech by accepting that certain groups can't be allowed free speech is just as, if not more likely a way to lose such freedoms.
There are a lot of people who want a lot of people silenced. And they will pounce on any attempt to undermine free speech. If you get to silence this group, I should get to silence my group. The only way it can work is to consider silencing ANYBODY going too far.
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By that definition so is plowing down a bunch of pedestrians with a car.
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^That doesn't even make sense.
If you paid more than lip service to "free speech", you'd understand that nazism is a bigger threat to free speech than a few idealistic anarchists punching a fringe group of nazis.
Who does antifa oppress? Um, nazis. Maybe. If you think counter-demonstration is oppression (it isn't).
Who do nazis oppress? Everyone, if they can.
I think you're wrong, and extremely complacent.
I also think that "free speech" is an overrated concept. It's a great ideal; but in practice it gets abused.
How's this - you have your free speech society, and i'll have my nazi-free society. I know which one i'd choose.
You can also go yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre and see how that goes.
"Free speech" should have limits.
I mean - is false advertising just an example of entrepreneurs exercising free speech?
Unchecked free speech is actually a dangerous thing too. Like almost any absolute.
If you paid more than lip service to "free speech", you'd understand that nazism is a bigger threat to free speech than a few idealistic anarchists punching a fringe group of nazis.
Who does antifa oppress? Um, nazis. Maybe. If you think counter-demonstration is oppression (it isn't).
Who do nazis oppress? Everyone, if they can.
I think you're wrong, and extremely complacent.
I also think that "free speech" is an overrated concept. It's a great ideal; but in practice it gets abused.
How's this - you have your free speech society, and i'll have my nazi-free society. I know which one i'd choose.
You can also go yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre and see how that goes.
"Free speech" should have limits.
I mean - is false advertising just an example of entrepreneurs exercising free speech?
Unchecked free speech is actually a dangerous thing too. Like almost any absolute.
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If antifa can justify violence as free speech why can't nazis?
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Antifa, heavy metal and free speech...
http://www.metalblast.net/blog/how-antifa-almost-killed-a-festival/
http://www.metalblast.net/blog/how-antifa-almost-killed-a-festival/
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You know what I think? I think a lot of this comes down to a common difference in Australian and American culture. I've known a LOT of Americans who believe the way I do about free speech. And almost no Australians.
That's not really a judgement per se. I'm not saying one side is right and one is wrong, just that it's long been my observation that Australians just don't culturally think of it the same way as Americans do. Obviously this isn't an absolute rule, there are always exceptions. And it's a fairly generalized thing. But I've noticed it far more often than not. That Australians just don't think of rights, and free speech the same way.
I think the reason is a mix of American cultural reenforcement of the constitution, especially the bill of rights. Growing up from birth to see it as a key part of American cultural identity. Combined with a greater suspicion of government in general by Americans. I don't think Australians have felt as betrayed by their government. Perhaps because they in fact haven't been.
Point is, we aren't gonna agree on this. Obviously there's a lot more too it than just cultural indoctrination, but I'm sure it plays a big part in it.
By the way, if you're gonna disagree on free speech with me you should get a better idea about what it means. Free speech doesn't let you cry fire in a crowded theater. There is a line. This is unquestionably within the bounds of what free speech covers. Because fascism is political. Political speech is at the heart of what free speech is about.
But I'm not gonna try and convince you of its importance, there's no point even trying. You don't get it. You never will. I don't get it either by the way. I understand the reasons for it, but I can't imagine myself believing as you do about this.
I've met a LOT of Australians. I could count the number I thought truly valued free speech the way I do on one hand. Of all Americans I've met I'd put the number at probably at least well over half of the total. Another part of the reason why is that Australians don't actually have what Americans would consider free speech. And society keeps functioning, so why should someone who grew up there feel like anythings wrong? I'm sure lots of other cultures have lots of other similar and dissimilar beliefs. But Australian and American are the ones I'm most experienced with.
I am never EVER gonna agree. But I gave up arguing it long ago. But I see cultural differences like this come out in online, highly multinational communities all the time. I'm not sure most people see how much the cultural influences play a part. I probably wouldn't either if I hadn't been brought up in one country and lived my adult life in another.
I'm really not saying you're wrong about free speech spacejunk. I mean I don't agree with you and I never will, but I do believe I understand WHY you believe what you believe. And that's ok. I can accept that. We are all strongly influenced by our surrounding culture in what we most deeply value. None of us are as free thinking as we might want to believe. And I include myself in that.
This is more of me making an observation than a critical argument. There's nothing to argue. We don't agree. It's not something that can probably be objectively demonstrated. Just gotta agree to disagree.
That's not really a judgement per se. I'm not saying one side is right and one is wrong, just that it's long been my observation that Australians just don't culturally think of it the same way as Americans do. Obviously this isn't an absolute rule, there are always exceptions. And it's a fairly generalized thing. But I've noticed it far more often than not. That Australians just don't think of rights, and free speech the same way.
I think the reason is a mix of American cultural reenforcement of the constitution, especially the bill of rights. Growing up from birth to see it as a key part of American cultural identity. Combined with a greater suspicion of government in general by Americans. I don't think Australians have felt as betrayed by their government. Perhaps because they in fact haven't been.
Point is, we aren't gonna agree on this. Obviously there's a lot more too it than just cultural indoctrination, but I'm sure it plays a big part in it.
By the way, if you're gonna disagree on free speech with me you should get a better idea about what it means. Free speech doesn't let you cry fire in a crowded theater. There is a line. This is unquestionably within the bounds of what free speech covers. Because fascism is political. Political speech is at the heart of what free speech is about.
But I'm not gonna try and convince you of its importance, there's no point even trying. You don't get it. You never will. I don't get it either by the way. I understand the reasons for it, but I can't imagine myself believing as you do about this.
I've met a LOT of Australians. I could count the number I thought truly valued free speech the way I do on one hand. Of all Americans I've met I'd put the number at probably at least well over half of the total. Another part of the reason why is that Australians don't actually have what Americans would consider free speech. And society keeps functioning, so why should someone who grew up there feel like anythings wrong? I'm sure lots of other cultures have lots of other similar and dissimilar beliefs. But Australian and American are the ones I'm most experienced with.
I am never EVER gonna agree. But I gave up arguing it long ago. But I see cultural differences like this come out in online, highly multinational communities all the time. I'm not sure most people see how much the cultural influences play a part. I probably wouldn't either if I hadn't been brought up in one country and lived my adult life in another.
I'm really not saying you're wrong about free speech spacejunk. I mean I don't agree with you and I never will, but I do believe I understand WHY you believe what you believe. And that's ok. I can accept that. We are all strongly influenced by our surrounding culture in what we most deeply value. None of us are as free thinking as we might want to believe. And I include myself in that.
This is more of me making an observation than a critical argument. There's nothing to argue. We don't agree. It's not something that can probably be objectively demonstrated. Just gotta agree to disagree.
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The BLM Boycott of Marduk
By J Salmeron - February 13, 2017
http://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/
f you haven’t watched our video on this topic, please do so. You can find all the references and sources for that video in the article below!
Marduk are currently touring North America. This really bothered some Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA organizations, who are calling for a boycott of their tour, labeling them a Nazi band. While some of the calls for the boycott are endearing, with people asking others to give bad Yelp reviews for the venue, others are calling for all-out violence.
Although the groups involved change all the time (BLM Austin was first promoting this boycott, only to then cowardly remove it once we started asking questions), the reasons that they use are always the same. The apparent author of the stories (which are copy/pasted in every call for a boycott) at least according to BLM Austin, is a Facebook user going by the pseudonym“PuppyMayhem.” We reached out to him, but he refused to answer any questions, opting instead to just block us.
The reasons put forward by BLM and the ANTIFA groups for the boycott are basically the following:
1. “Frontschwein”
According to those calling for the Boycott, “Frontschwein,” the name of Marduk’s tour, and of their latest album “refers to the nickname given to Nazi field marshal Walther Model because he preferred to lead from the front and was known for his abuse and crudity.”
This is just false.
“Frontschwein” was simply a word used to refer to soldiers serving in the frontlines, similar to how English-speaking nations use “grunts” to refer to those serving in combat. The use of this word predates World War II, the Nazis and, of course, Walther Model’s behavior in the War.
2. References to WWII
Since Marduk often reference WWII in their music, this is seen by some as a clear sign of their Nazism. It’s a non-sequitur, since referencing parts of history does not mean that you approve of any of them, but the regressives pushing for the boycott are not going to let that get in the way. They even demonstrate their absolute ignorance of history, geography, and the band they’re boycotting, by claiming that Marduk’s live album “Warschau,” is named after “the site of a Nazi concentration camp during the Holocaust.” At no point did it occur to them that the album is named after the German-name for Warsaw, the city where that album was recorded.
3. Varg Vikernes
I was surprised to see that one of the arguments for the boycott is an interview that I did with Morgan Steinmeyer, the bassist and founder of Marduk. We were talking only a few months after Varg Vikernes‘ conviction for hate speech, following his unlawful arrest under trumped-up terrorism accusations. There Morgan gave what anyone else would see as an absolutely milquetoast statement, saying:
“It’s strange that it’s illegal to dislike a religion. I find it really strange that you can’t have certain views.”
This comment, which basically anyone would see as unremarkable, has been construed as some sort of clear sign of Morgan‘s wicked ways. What they also got from my article, even though it’s never mentioned, was that Morgan was Varg’s housemate, and used that (false) claim as a way to further their point regarding Marduk‘s Nazism. I’m not really sure I follow what they’re trying to say, although I guess they mean that if you have a roommate you immediately share everything they believe in, and are an accomplice to whatever it is they end up doing 30 years after you last shared a roof.
They also go out of their way to point at Varg and repeat some of the propaganda that the French government used against him. It’s atrocious, since it seems to further the points made by a government that used (and continues to use) anti-terrorism legislation and methods to stomp on dissent. Basically the same kind of things ANTIFA and BLM people would criticize if it happened to someone on their side of the political spectrum. Once again, it’s not about principles, it’s about supporters.
4. Incantation
Not wanting to limit their attacks to Marduk alone, they have also extended their hatred to Incantation, one of the opening bands in this tour. Here they point out that Craig Pillard, the singer of Disma, and alleged white supremacist, used to be in the band. They conveniently omit that Pillar was last involved in Incantation‘s music back in 1994, and that Pillard‘s alleged views are not present in Incantation’s music.
Clearly, they’re not about to let facts get in the way of the narrative.
5. Anti-Christianity is just a way to be Antisemitic
Entering squarely into the world of conspiracies, some have argued that Marduk’s overt anti-Christianity is just a cover-up for their anti-semitism. I’m guessing that antisemitism is what took them on tour to Israel.
Fact: When you see a woman shoving a crucifix up her ass, what you are actually seeing is “I hate the jews”
Without putting forward any evidence, they say that the main theme of the album Panzer-Division Marduk is anti-semitism, and then add some quotes (which they conveniently forget to cite) taken verbatim from the book “Subgenres of the Beast” by Yrgana Kegan, in particular the section where she talks about National Socialist Black Metal. The funny thing is that they somehow missed the fact that only a couple of pages later the author includes Marduk among the bands that have been the victims of false accusations of Nazism and fascism.
As the list above shows, this boycott is completely nonsensical. It’s the result of ignorance about not just the band, but also the world itself. Its idiocy, however, should not merely be a source of amusement for us, but also serve as a clarion call to stand up against the self-appointed regressives who want to be the sole arbiters of the information we receive.
Let’s not give them the chance.
http://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/
The BLM Boycott of Marduk
By J Salmeron - February 13, 2017
http://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/
f you haven’t watched our video on this topic, please do so. You can find all the references and sources for that video in the article below!
Marduk are currently touring North America. This really bothered some Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA organizations, who are calling for a boycott of their tour, labeling them a Nazi band. While some of the calls for the boycott are endearing, with people asking others to give bad Yelp reviews for the venue, others are calling for all-out violence.
Although the groups involved change all the time (BLM Austin was first promoting this boycott, only to then cowardly remove it once we started asking questions), the reasons that they use are always the same. The apparent author of the stories (which are copy/pasted in every call for a boycott) at least according to BLM Austin, is a Facebook user going by the pseudonym“PuppyMayhem.” We reached out to him, but he refused to answer any questions, opting instead to just block us.
The reasons put forward by BLM and the ANTIFA groups for the boycott are basically the following:
1. “Frontschwein”
According to those calling for the Boycott, “Frontschwein,” the name of Marduk’s tour, and of their latest album “refers to the nickname given to Nazi field marshal Walther Model because he preferred to lead from the front and was known for his abuse and crudity.”
This is just false.
“Frontschwein” was simply a word used to refer to soldiers serving in the frontlines, similar to how English-speaking nations use “grunts” to refer to those serving in combat. The use of this word predates World War II, the Nazis and, of course, Walther Model’s behavior in the War.
2. References to WWII
Since Marduk often reference WWII in their music, this is seen by some as a clear sign of their Nazism. It’s a non-sequitur, since referencing parts of history does not mean that you approve of any of them, but the regressives pushing for the boycott are not going to let that get in the way. They even demonstrate their absolute ignorance of history, geography, and the band they’re boycotting, by claiming that Marduk’s live album “Warschau,” is named after “the site of a Nazi concentration camp during the Holocaust.” At no point did it occur to them that the album is named after the German-name for Warsaw, the city where that album was recorded.
3. Varg Vikernes
I was surprised to see that one of the arguments for the boycott is an interview that I did with Morgan Steinmeyer, the bassist and founder of Marduk. We were talking only a few months after Varg Vikernes‘ conviction for hate speech, following his unlawful arrest under trumped-up terrorism accusations. There Morgan gave what anyone else would see as an absolutely milquetoast statement, saying:
“It’s strange that it’s illegal to dislike a religion. I find it really strange that you can’t have certain views.”
This comment, which basically anyone would see as unremarkable, has been construed as some sort of clear sign of Morgan‘s wicked ways. What they also got from my article, even though it’s never mentioned, was that Morgan was Varg’s housemate, and used that (false) claim as a way to further their point regarding Marduk‘s Nazism. I’m not really sure I follow what they’re trying to say, although I guess they mean that if you have a roommate you immediately share everything they believe in, and are an accomplice to whatever it is they end up doing 30 years after you last shared a roof.
They also go out of their way to point at Varg and repeat some of the propaganda that the French government used against him. It’s atrocious, since it seems to further the points made by a government that used (and continues to use) anti-terrorism legislation and methods to stomp on dissent. Basically the same kind of things ANTIFA and BLM people would criticize if it happened to someone on their side of the political spectrum. Once again, it’s not about principles, it’s about supporters.
4. Incantation
Not wanting to limit their attacks to Marduk alone, they have also extended their hatred to Incantation, one of the opening bands in this tour. Here they point out that Craig Pillard, the singer of Disma, and alleged white supremacist, used to be in the band. They conveniently omit that Pillar was last involved in Incantation‘s music back in 1994, and that Pillard‘s alleged views are not present in Incantation’s music.
Clearly, they’re not about to let facts get in the way of the narrative.
5. Anti-Christianity is just a way to be Antisemitic
Entering squarely into the world of conspiracies, some have argued that Marduk’s overt anti-Christianity is just a cover-up for their anti-semitism. I’m guessing that antisemitism is what took them on tour to Israel.
Fact: When you see a woman shoving a crucifix up her ass, what you are actually seeing is “I hate the jews”
Without putting forward any evidence, they say that the main theme of the album Panzer-Division Marduk is anti-semitism, and then add some quotes (which they conveniently forget to cite) taken verbatim from the book “Subgenres of the Beast” by Yrgana Kegan, in particular the section where she talks about National Socialist Black Metal. The funny thing is that they somehow missed the fact that only a couple of pages later the author includes Marduk among the bands that have been the victims of false accusations of Nazism and fascism.
As the list above shows, this boycott is completely nonsensical. It’s the result of ignorance about not just the band, but also the world itself. Its idiocy, however, should not merely be a source of amusement for us, but also serve as a clarion call to stand up against the self-appointed regressives who want to be the sole arbiters of the information we receive.
Let’s not give them the chance.
http://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/
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I don't really give a shit about "nazi music". I can see why people object to it, but people object to all sorts of music for all sorts of reasons.
Likewise, people boycott music - and lots of things - for all sorts of reasons.
I boycott israeli products, for instance, because i'm opposed to the occupation of palestine.
I also boycott shit music (of all types) and strongly urge everyone to do the same.
Seriously people - don't go watch bands you don't like!!
Radical stuff
I don't really see what the big deal is - either about the music, really - or about the call to boycott it.
I've had people start fights with me after gigs i've played, and to be honest it just makes me feel like i've accomplished something.
If your art is provocative enough that people try to find you after the show to stab you with a pint glass...well, that's punk rock.
:D
Likewise, people boycott music - and lots of things - for all sorts of reasons.
I boycott israeli products, for instance, because i'm opposed to the occupation of palestine.
I also boycott shit music (of all types) and strongly urge everyone to do the same.
Seriously people - don't go watch bands you don't like!!
Radical stuff
I don't really see what the big deal is - either about the music, really - or about the call to boycott it.
I've had people start fights with me after gigs i've played, and to be honest it just makes me feel like i've accomplished something.
If your art is provocative enough that people try to find you after the show to stab you with a pint glass...well, that's punk rock.
:D
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Because bands are getting falsely accused of being racist and whole festivals are getting cancelled because of these idiots.
JessFR
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Agreeing that people have the right to say stupid shit doesn't mean I agree with what they're saying nor does it mean I have to approve of how they're using their freedom. I can want them to stop, ask them to stop, refuse to help them. Anything really except stop them by force.
And you're not stupid, you know that.
And you're not stupid, you know that.
swilow
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"Fistfucking gods planet" was my bluelight location at some point many moons ago.
JessFR
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I've always felt there's no such thing as mistranslating art. Seeing a form of art in different ways is a key part of what makes art art.
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