anti-rape devices

[Foreigner]

I wasn't trying to justify rape. I was simply saying if there's a situation in which killing is justified, then there's a situation in which rape is justified. It's very fucking simple.

Yet so far you haven't provided examples to back up this claim?

People can enjoy their lives after being raped. People can still attain pleasure after being raped. People can reattain/keep their will to live after the incident. People can also lose the will to live without being raped. People can desire death without being raped.

All this means is that they can change their behavioural responses to the emotions they feel, but they will never be able to change the emotions. This is psych 101.

What can't you grasp about death being worse than rape? Yes, sure, death is void. Death isn't bad in the sense rape is bad because you don't feel anything once you're dead. Rape is a bad experience, but it can be followed (however later in life) with good experiences. Even if the victim just becomes a drug addict and derives pleasure chemically, they still get to experience that pleasure.

I think you've missed the point of everything I wrote in this thread. It's not about experiencing pleasure. Rape victims can still do that. But in terms of human intimacy, it is forever jaded, even if they can change their behaviours. When you're dead at least the suffering is alleviated. Like I said, I would rather die than be raped again. Virtually all violent rape survivors I have talked to say the same thing. That's how bad it is.

In fact, I know that some rape victims become nymphomaniacs. Not every rape victim reacts the same, whilst every dead person reacts the same to death. There is a lack of reaction because they're dead.

And being a nympho is just as pathological as being someone afraid of human contact. They are both PTSD responses. When you're dead the trauma is over.

After being raped, you're able to kill yourself if it's death you want. After being killed you can't experience rape if you want. You can't do anything at all, there are no options.
If you think I'm a lowlife for suggesting death is worse than rape, that's fine with me.
If you think having options, including the option to die which you think is better than rape, is worse than-
You're entitled to your misinformed opinion, I guess.
It doesn't affect me.

My misinformation? Lulz... you're the ignorant one here. You speak from a position of privilege about justifying rape and then expect others to not call you on it?

Yes you can be suicidal from anything, like being assaulted, or having someone try to kill you. The point is that rape has particularly insidious consequences that go above and beyond those of violent assault. These consequences were outlined to you earlier, but you obtusely continue to equivocate and justify rape.

This entire thread is shit, so I'm out.
Enjoy your discussion guys, it's definitely not for me.

The only shit here is you, so thank you for removing it from this thread. After you're gone, you might want to brush up on human psychology 101 a little bit.

Like I said, anyone who tries to justify rape either has a poor understanding of their own sexuality, or their own sexuality is already so debased that they cannot see the value in it. *shrug*

 

[rangrz]

Yet so far you haven't provided examples to back up this claim?

I however a few pages back provided three legal defenses to a person who committed the actus reus needed for an offense of Agg sexual assa/rape. The defenses work because they negate or show that mens rea was absent. If mens rea is absent, it is also morally "not wrong".

In essence, it is not different then the defenses to murder which can make it justified, although one will find there are less for rape and they are much harder to use/less common.

But namely: Mental defect, duress, and one which is not allowed in murder but is usable in rape, mistake of fact, in this case, mistake of consent.

 

[StAy HiGh]

Most rapists NEVER get caught.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

97% of rapists WALK FREE!!!!

There needs to be a different way to trial rapists, so that the victim doesnt have to be present or fear the defendants attorney who will judge her and pretend the horrific act never happened. MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PUNISH RAPISTS! This is a serious crime, imagine if 97% of murderes got away? Also 43% of rapes are reported, that means that even more rapists are let free. I dont blame these women though, they dont go to police out of fear of attack or retelling it, threats, feeling that they were drunk, blaming selves, and feeling as if no one will believe them. Imagine that terrible crime happening to u and no one believeing ur story.. its dead wrong. I also heard something like 1 in 3 (or so, i forget exact #) women will face sexual assault (not always rape) at some point in their life. That could be your mother, sisters, friends, nieces, daughters, aunt, u get the idea. Theres a war on drugs but there should be a war on crimes against women this happens all the fucking time.

I dont think these methods will change the rape crisis. By the time the teeth thing is felt the woman would have already been violated. Not to mention it could be removed. If her lips turn blue he can still walk her out of the bar or w/e but i guess these methods r somethings at least someones thinking about the topic . BUT laws need to be addressed, more rapists prosecuted in a different process.

Women AND Men should be warned, from a younger age, the dangers of rape. They should be taught what to look for n warning signs, how to prevent rape, how to spot someone whos been drugged, stick w ur friends when out look after one anohter. Boys should b explained the severity of rape, to respect women, and how to act if their friend or someone they know if trying to take advantage of a girl.

 

[StAy HiGh]

I wasn't trying to justify rape. I was simply saying if there's a situation in which killing is justified, then there's a situation in which rape is justified. It's very fucking simple.
People can enjoy their lives after being raped. People can still attain pleasure after being raped. People can reattain/keep their will to live after the incident. People can also lose the will to live without being raped. People can desire death without being raped.
What can't you grasp about death being worse than rape? Yes, sure, death is void. Death isn't bad in the sense rape is bad because you don't feel anything once you're dead. Rape is a bad experience, but it can be followed (however later in life) with good experiences. Even if the victim just becomes a drug addict and derives pleasure chemically, they still get to experience that pleasure.
In fact, I know that some rape victims become nymphomaniacs. Not every rape victim reacts the same, whilst every dead person reacts the same to death. There is a lack of reaction because they're dead.
After being raped, you're able to kill yourself if it's death you want. After being killed you can't experience rape if you want. You can't do anything at all, there are no options.
If you think I'm a lowlife for suggesting death is worse than rape, that's fine with me.
If you think having options, including the option to die which you think is better than rape, is worse than-
You're entitled to your misinformed opinion, I guess.
It doesn't affect me.
.

Just because people are able to recover from the trauma of being raped and go on with living doesnt make it a small deal. I understand that youre stating your opinion that death is 'worse' then rape and thats fine, we all have our opinions and i wouldnt judge u for it. BUT I feel you are kind of minimizing the severity of rape. U mentioned some victims become highly sexual after afterwards but this is usually bc they want to feel they are in charge of their sexuality. Or they may feel used already and change their view of sex to minimize the pain. NOT because it turns them on, thats not it, rape isnt about sex its about Power Control and humiliation. So many women and men exp diff types of trauma from rape but they cant simply kill themselves as suggested! These are mothers, daughters, sisters, anyone at all and they have obligations to others not to mention their selves to keep going and stay strong. Rape is a henious act and should never be minimized.

 

[verso]

I think that the user you're all ripping on raised at least one interesting point and I'll go ahead and stick my neck out for just a second to highlight it because I think that it's worthy of more discussion: we believe that killing is wrong except for in certain instances like in war or for revenge, etc., but we believe that rape is universally wrong.

It's interesting... how can we feel so differently about two truly terrible and awful things? You might argue that killing in war serves some greater purpose, but does it really? Does killing one soldier make an actual difference? How about killing two soldiers? Is war really all about who can kill more of the other guy? Do they really sit down and say, "OK so it looks like you've killed more of our guys than we've killed of yours and uh... yeah, so I guess you win..." ?

No... war is all about lowering the morale of the other side until their morale is so low that they give up and stop fighting you; one way to achieve this is by killing a good number of their soldiers, sure, but one could argue that rape is also an instrument of war and lowers morale equally if not more so than murder. Is it OK then to rape during war time?

I'd imagine that most people would say, "no, no that's not honorable," and they'd condemn rape even in war time. But bayonetting a man in his stomach and shaking him at the end of your rifle until his entrails fall out is honorable? How can one thing be so terrible and not the other? How can murder ever be acceptable but not rape?

It's just an interesting thought, and I think that part of the reason we feel this way is simply that rape victims survive to tell their terrible tales, but the soldiers we kill in war will never have that opportunity. And sure, you can say, "well, the families..." Right, I know, the families... but it's not the same experience and so it's not the same story. It's one thing to say, "I was raped," and another to say "I know someone who was raped" because even if that person was close to you, you weren't there for it and you didn't experience it. I think the same is true for murder, killing and such; in other words, I think that if we could bring back all of those guys who have had knives plunged into their throats, they might have a little something to say about what a terrible experience being killed actually is... but we'll never hear those stories.

I just don't understand it, and I wonder if those who would say "Rape is a heinous act and should never be minimized" but then go on to say that murder in certain circumstances is justifiable (not that anyone here has done that)... I wonder if those people have any real understanding at all of what it means to be at war and to kill and how terrible all of it really is.

EDIT: And just for the record, I'm not justifying rape... not in times of war or during any other time, either. But, neither am I justifying murder...

 

[Comrade Kane]

Someone penetrating you with a knife/bullet VS someone penetrating you with their penis and not into a wound but into your bumhole or vagina; in both instances the penetration is without consent; neither instance results in death.

Poll: which would you choose?

All violent acts are rape penetrations or abuses of the body without consent.
Not all rapes are violent nor abuses nor even immoral.

A 17 year old has sex with his 15 year old GF. This is rape. He will be put on the sex offenders list. His rape wasn't violent nor about power but about sex and is very unlikely to cause her harm.

In Sweden militant feminists have installed a matriarchy with wowser behavior and rhetoric more often seen in the Christian community regarding their issues. They spout in correct stats and pretend rape is about power when it's actually about sex. Power is the means to the end. The end is sex not the power. Power is to obtain what you want when the other person says no, this is the only use for power.

I don't believe 97 percent of rapists get off. Perhaps 97 percent of ACCUSED rapists but being accused doesnt mean theyre rapists. Innocent till proven guilty.
Nor do I believe the stat of 40 something percent of rape reported. If the other 60 percent are not reported and tested in the courts then how does anyone even know about them?

In Sweden people like the above commentator have made it rape when a man asks his wife for sex too many times. No threats or abuse or anything like that needed. If the husband asks his wife for sex again after she's already said no inside a 'reasonable' amount of time, that is rape. Rape rape. The husband can go to jail.

How many of yous have committed Swedish rapine? You have all raped. So have I apparently. Once my GF said no but I asked again half an hour later and she said yes. We had sex. It was rape.

When you raped your SO like this, was it about power or was it about getting sex?

 

[Psychonauticunt]

I think those barbed vaginal deathtraps are quite frankly disgusting.

Shouldn't anti-rape devices focus on trying to avoid the situation in the first place, rather than getting sadistic pleasure out of seeing the rapist's penis shredded as he rapes you? Also, while many would-be-rapists may straight up faint from shock, how do you think the ones that keep their cool will react to it? I'm thinking murder.

It's not a preventive device, but a retributive one. I suppose that if enough women started wearing these, then they would become preventive - only this would result in most men having nightmares about "the Deadliest Snatch" if their girlfriend happened to forget she was booby trapped, and rapists simply shifting to the butthole.

Anti-rape device? Get some mace or a taser.

 

[DeathDomokun]

Chastity belt > Barbed inversed dildo