ANTI-depressant/anxiety pill that works?? (Think outside the box)

[algiz86]

I couldnt have possibly read this whole thread. But i read the VERY FIRST POST.

It sounds to me your going to have to switch down your hold on the fact that a drug is going to fix it for you... This is kinda basic i know and you will think i am condescending, i know you understand drugs dont fix things.

But you still gotta completely integrate this into your who u are as a person or you will run circles until the day you die.

If you understand that 3/4 of the job is between u and yourself, you EVENTUALLY (depending on your own development) actually LET/ACCEPT the full effects of a medication that WILL fill that 1/4 enough.

SORRY if parts of my blog seem like repeat from other peoples blogs but i didnt read ANY of them, this is just my mind putty on screen.

No offences intended...

 

[imnakedrightnow]

im on lexapro for depression and it helps even tho i use opiates recreational it still helps tuns

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I know mirtazapine has a faster onset of action than most ADs, but is it possible to lift one from a depression somewhere between mild and moderate to normality within only four days?

 

[shlack123]

Well, here you have put yourself in quite a situation. Your abuse of all meds that could have possibly helped you has, in the end, screwed you. It is your own fault really, and it is time you take responsibility. I think you should tell a doctor exactly what you have taken, what you have abused, and ask what the doctor thinks you should be on that would help. All of us here would just be stabbing in the dark, as we do not know your full drug-use history.

The body is curious and shouldn't be trifled with. The chemistry is just too delicate. Next time, I would say you should take whatever you are prescribed at the prescribed dose ONLY. And I think you shouldn't lay everything on your ex-fiance. I did that too when my fiance left me, and that is when I started using hardcore drugs. But you have to look back and see what kind of person you really were. If you were abusing all these meds, I'm sure your mood swings were too much to bear.

Wake up, take control of your life, and be frank with your doctor, and take what you are prescribed as you are prescribed.

 

[Colmes]

Well, here you have put yourself in quite a situation. Your abuse of all meds that could have possibly helped you has, in the end, screwed you. It is your own fault really, and it is time you take responsibility. I think you should tell a doctor exactly what you have taken, what you have abused, and ask what the doctor thinks you should be on that would help. All of us here would just be stabbing in the dark, as we do not know your full drug-use history.

The body is curious and shouldn't be trifled with. The chemistry is just too delicate. Next time, I would say you should take whatever you are prescribed at the prescribed dose ONLY. And I think you shouldn't lay everything on your ex-fiance. I did that too when my fiance left me, and that is when I started using hardcore drugs. But you have to look back and see what kind of person you really were. If you were abusing all these meds, I'm sure your mood swings were too much to bear.

Wake up, take control of your life, and be frank with your doctor, and take what you are prescribed as you are prescribed.

Thank you again for all of the comments.

I know I messed up, on many fronts. I gave in, thought that these new pills were beautiful, as they were actually relieving my anxiety. This of course, went away, and I have an addictive personality.

You're right i use the ex as a bit of a scapegoat, though, i'm ...well...lets just say that the breakup hit me right where I have the most problems with anxiety.

Vyvanse isnt a miracle, it helps. Tolerance builds and it is quite frustrating. If I take it Monday, Thursday, Friday, I still build tolerance. THEN on the days I DONT take it I get NOTHING done. its like a lightswitch. Its very bizarre for the psyche to go from "lets try and get things done" to "eh fuck it". But I dont want to take it every day.

Overall its been very positive. My grades have improved, my attention in class has gone up, I enjoy school more, I have more natural energy, i'm social (not that annoying speedy type social, just normal) and I dont sweat the small stuff.

And to the guy who asked if I was being serious that "almost having a bachelors" is just as good as being a MD. Yes, I was being sarcastic. Some people really just dont pick up sarcasm well.

Good day, lets continue the conversation, add your own experiences as well, as we can all benefit from seeing what others have done.

Thanks.

 

[Colmes]

i have taken welbutrin,paxil and some others.... they all suck and didnt help me plus killed my sex drive....

now all i do is smoke weed and sometimes when i know im gunna be stressing take a benzo... btw i have general anxiety disorder

Wellbutrin obliterated my ability to have sex.

Its unfortunate as it seems like a potentially good medication, but I couldn't take it for more than several days.

I took paxil for awhile. The "Heroin of SSRIs" lol. brainshocks, ew. The only anti-d i've found to have no side effects and is partically effective is prozac.

 

[algiz86]

So i know little about what has been going on for you, ive picked up u have abused alot of helpful things...

SOLVENT no 1: Treat this, duh, book yourself in somewhere if u cant do it yourself.

I have been on every "usual" antidepressant of the SSRI, SNRI, NARI types and mirtazapine, stimulants, atypical antipsychs, bupropion, plus other unrelated.

Imagine if u werent on any of the drugs u are currrently abusing.
Do you really think u would need a get up and go med which provides u some energy (with a side of nervousness) or a i cant walk properly, sleep 16 hrs a day and like sugary foods too much. OR one inbetween which u can hardly tell ur taking. (keeping in mind they ALL have side effects, and u can forget about sex until ur sorted out).

PM might be a lil more comfortable to discuss what u are looking for in an anti D, im firmiliar with drug withdrawals also.

*STRETCHES* on day 6 of methadone withdrawal.

 

[jspun]

I think that opiates are underutilized for refractory depression. Suboxone may just be a wonder drug for this application (also has more mild sexual side effects it would seem compared to SSRIs or full mu agonists. Have heard good stuff about tramadol anecdotally. Also, amphetamines could legitamately have a place in some types of depression.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I find it very interesting that buprenorphine has the potential to be used to treat depression. Is this feasible? After a short period of time I believe the ability for one to get high on the drug is lost, even if low doses are used (and I think it is in fact low doses that would be used to treat a depressive illness in the absence of a dependency on opiates I reckon).

Is bupe more efficacious in treating depression in the long term than conventional antidepressant therapy (after a couple of months)? What percentage of depressives greater than placebo are successfully treated with bupe?

More importantly, can someone refer me to a study showing the efficacy of bupe in the treatment of depressive illnesses that is a) reputable i.e. at the very least published in a credible journal and b) well designed with a sufficient number of participants in the trial, the source of much invalidity and/or erroneous results and conclusions in so many trials?

 

[algiz86]

suboxone makes most feel sick, and tastes like shit...prefered to methadone tho.
Im just discovering how well opiates can cover your issues, im in the middle of reevaluating who the f*ck i am!
I was always the damaged angry drug abuser who kept to himself.
Dunno how to be anyuthing else.
... suicidal tendencies returning after a year.

 

[bicycle-ride1943]

Mirtazapine or Remeron (name brand) is good for a multitude of things. It has really helped me with my insomnia and after taking it for a couple of weeks it has helped my anxiety as well. Docs also prescribe mirtazapine off label to help with drug addiction. Trazadone and Seoquel are nightmares stay away. Mirtazapine is the only anti-depressant Ive ever been prescribed and liked/actually helped.

 

[jspun]

Artificial EmotionMore importantly, can someone refer me to a study showing the efficacy of bupe in the treatment of depressive illnesses that is a) reputable i.e. at the very least published in a credible journal and b) well designed with a sufficient number of participants in the trial, the source of much invalidity and/or erroneous results and conclusions in so many trials?

You make a good point. Your looking for peer reviewed studies with sound experimental designs, double blinds, ect... important stuff for good evidence based practice. I can't help you there. I had found a survey with a series of case studies. The described various degrees of improvements among people with long term depression that had been refractory to conventional treatment, most major classes, TCA in some cases. I don't remember if one or two had tried MAOIs and electroshock. All seemed to respond to the bupe although to various degrees. The stereotypical or most common symptomology that responded were individuals with dysthemia with social phobia, avoidance, and in some individuals non specific generalized complaints of pain. Low energy/ chronic fatigue were also mentioned by quite a few subjects. I know that these are all typical depression symptoms period, but the dysthemia, social phobia/avoidance, chronic fatigue, and diffuse pain to a lesser extent were the most salient features among all subjects. There were like 8 or 9 subjects. But I lost link.

Some comminalities- most improved to some extent. For some the improvements were sustained over several months. In all cases the therapeutic latency seemed to be a week or less.

I'll tell you about my experience. I was on MMT/ Heroin for years. Got clean off all opiates and almost relapsed on meth july 24 this year. I am in 12 step recovery, going to meetings, working steps, ect... My wife had been chiping and got on bupe. Not only did she stop craving she had all this energy and improved mood (always complained of chronic lack of energy, pain issues- joint stuff that she was probably self medicating.)

I couldn't get off the couch before 1300 and I have a 2 year old. Horrible depression/anxiety. Started taking 2 mg doses of her meds and improved dramatically. Got a scrip. Up to 8 mg/ day and feel better than I have in years. Maybe I had post acute withdrawl or protracted abstinence, I can speculate for years. My friends in recovery might consider it a relapse, I am just comming out of the closet with this post and any of them that feel that way can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.

So thats 2 people that have shown dramatic improvements. Wife takes 4 mg a day and that seems about perfect. some take less I have talked to and show improvements in mood- hear this by some BL posters too. Anecdotal info is not the basis for good clinical practice but it does open avenues for research. Doc Rx 15 mg mitrazapine HS for sleep. Scared to try this, havent had enough free days to see how I feel the next day. Have xanax prn which I am familiar with, though.

 

[jspun]

Almost forgot- surfing, best antidepressant invented. When I injured my back in the beginnig of July and was out of the water for a few weeks, my problems started. Not everybody lives in the ocean though (as some say "if you don't surf don't start") Any exercise is great- jogging, walking, ect... Don't discount prayer and meditation

 

[puckboy]

A script for only use as needed d-amp would change my life and I'd possibly be able to even get a fucking job! Whatever works for you.

After talking with my psychiatrist I'm now scripted 30mg d-amphetamine daily. And it is working wonders for my anxiety/mild depression and adult ADD. I plan to only use as needed, not always using the full 30mg everyday and taking days off frequently, but I am feeling so much better now.

 

[algiz86]

Yeah i was on 60 mg a day, i think i was misdiagnosed tho because it made me too pumped, but i kept getting the scripts fill tho...
I can give u some good tips on reducing tolerance...
Taking doses of magnesium at bed once ur amp dose has worn off reduces tolerance,
Much like DXM does at recommended doses,
Hows ur sleep on stims.....





And mirtazapine is great, they say a smaller dose is more sedating than a higher one,
Sometimes they prescribe Effexor in the morning to get up and go and then mirtazapine at night to floor u to sleep.
i beleive its called "rocket fuel".
For treatment resistant depressants.

 

[PARooolller]

do not take seraquel for anxiety unless you want the equivalent of a lobotomy. Just my opinion there.

agree..leave the seroquel for the serial killers...although its a highly effective drug for REAL skitzs...

anyways, none of this will get better until you're completely off of benzos...you sound just like me..also, you prob arent going to be able to taper...

 

[puckboy]

Yeah i was on 60 mg a day, i think i was misdiagnosed tho because it made me too pumped, but i kept getting the scripts fill tho...
I can give u some good tips on reducing tolerance...
Taking doses of magnesium at bed once ur amp dose has worn off reduces tolerance,
Much like DXM does at recommended doses,
Hows ur sleep on stims.....

Interesting, because stims like d-amp in therapeutic doses calm me right down, like a benzo but without the impaired motor-function, depressant effects. Infact I've fallen asleep before within an hour and a half or so after taking 10mg IR d-amp. Very calming effect.

Yeah, I take magnesium daily. My sleep is fine for the most part, although I often wake up during the night a few times, I don't believe this is due to the amps though as I was like this before going on them. I never take any d-amp after 2pm though to ensure I sleep properly.

 

[algiz86]

d amp is a fine drug if u can handle it physically.

i have fallen asleep on it before also, best restful sleep i have an=e
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