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Animals on Psychedelics
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Kandy K
Ex-Bluelighter
You guys are hypocrites. If a scientist were to give monkey MDMA, mushrooms, LSD, peyote, or any other, you'd be all for it.
@Kandy K
Exactly! How come people think so much of scientists? They usually lack ethics...
Btw the article is an april fool's joke I think. Think about it... How would a dog be able to make the connection between him tripping balls and him licking a toad fifteen minutes earlier... Can dogs do that?? I doubt it. I'd love to hear someone with knowledge about animal pedagogics clear this up...
crOOk
Exactly! How come people think so much of scientists? They usually lack ethics...
Btw the article is an april fool's joke I think. Think about it... How would a dog be able to make the connection between him tripping balls and him licking a toad fifteen minutes earlier... Can dogs do that?? I doubt it. I'd love to hear someone with knowledge about animal pedagogics clear this up...
crOOk
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PurrrinInOk
Bluelighter
Scientists who experiment on animals are pricks. Giving any animal a recreational drug is unethical and fucking warped!!! 8)
PurrrinInOk
Bluelighter
^ LOL I have one like that 
KemicalBurn
Bluelight Crew
Originally posted by Kandy K
You guys are hypocrites. If a scientist were to give monkey MDMA, mushrooms, LSD, peyote, or any other, you'd be all for it.
You guys are hypocrites. If a scientist were to give monkey MDMA, mushrooms, LSD, peyote, or any other, you'd be all for it.
No, i wouldnt.
I am very much for animal rights (as im sure many others are), and to force a powerful psychedelic on an animal [in my eyes] is the same as forcing it on a person. Its unethical.
Originally posted by crOOk
@Kandy K
Exactly! How come people think so much of scientists? They usually lack ethics...
@Kandy K
Exactly! How come people think so much of scientists? They usually lack ethics...
8(
Originally posted by crOOk
Btw the article is an april fool's joke I think. Think about it... How would a dog be able to make the connection between him tripping balls and him licking a toad fifteen minutes earlier... Can dogs do that?? I doubt it. I'd love to hear someone with knowledge about animal pedagogics clear this up...
Btw the article is an april fool's joke I think. Think about it... How would a dog be able to make the connection between him tripping balls and him licking a toad fifteen minutes earlier... Can dogs do that?? I doubt it. I'd love to hear someone with knowledge about animal pedagogics clear this up...
Its pretty easy to determine a correlation if you read the article. Its not an "april fools joke", it made headline news over here in some of our most respected newspapers 8(
Headline news? Phew, now that's something! I still think it's utter bullshit... Think about it!
1.) How many times would a dog have to lick a toad by chance in order to realize it makes him high? Remember the time it takes for the drug to take effect and how rare those toads are!
2.) Why would a dog lick a toad and then let it go? It obviously found out it is nothing it should be eating! So why would it still come back?
3.) Btw is Bufotoxin/5-MeO-DMT even active orally? Or sublingually? Well, I guess... Maybe someone knows more on this...
4.) How did they find out the dogs are "addicted"? To a substance like that. No human being has ever been known to be addcited to the toad venom, which of course doesn't imply a dog can't be! But still...
5.) Is this article seriously trying to tell me, that this phenomenom has been witnessed more than once by the owner of a dog (mind you, at night!) or are they saying they tested dogs for the metabolites of the substance? Since I doubt they do this, they most likely are trying to tell me that every single dog intoxication has been witneesed by the owner, at night!
WHAT I BELIEVE
The dogs have had encounters with toads, licked them, let them go, tripped balls, were brought to the vet etc.
WHAT I DO NOT BELIEVE
Oh, one more thing. Would someone who supports this please supply a proper source, before we go on discussing an article that might just be a joke?
crOOk
1.) How many times would a dog have to lick a toad by chance in order to realize it makes him high? Remember the time it takes for the drug to take effect and how rare those toads are!
2.) Why would a dog lick a toad and then let it go? It obviously found out it is nothing it should be eating! So why would it still come back?
3.) Btw is Bufotoxin/5-MeO-DMT even active orally? Or sublingually? Well, I guess... Maybe someone knows more on this...
4.) How did they find out the dogs are "addicted"? To a substance like that. No human being has ever been known to be addcited to the toad venom, which of course doesn't imply a dog can't be! But still...
5.) Is this article seriously trying to tell me, that this phenomenom has been witnessed more than once by the owner of a dog (mind you, at night!) or are they saying they tested dogs for the metabolites of the substance? Since I doubt they do this, they most likely are trying to tell me that every single dog intoxication has been witneesed by the owner, at night!
WHAT I BELIEVE
The dogs have had encounters with toads, licked them, let them go, tripped balls, were brought to the vet etc.
WHAT I DO NOT BELIEVE
You believe what you want though... :D
Oh, one more thing. Would someone who supports this please supply a proper source, before we go on discussing an article that might just be a joke?
crOOk
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ScottyP
Bluelighter
The guy just asked a hypothetical question inquiring into the biological difference of human animals vs non-human animals... and then the thread goes to hell and turns into the philosophical debate of animal rights, ease up on the sensitivity PETA members heh.
I've just been going over the philosophical issue of animals rights though so I'll share my view anyway.
Since non-human animals do not demonstrate self-consciousness in any form, but rather seem to act purely out of instinct, the arguement seems to center around the animals capacity for suffering. Therefore if the animal seems to be enjoying itself on a certain drug (being conscious of being on the drug is not an issue, as animals are not conscious and the whole world is compareable to being on drugs for animals) then as long as it's having a good time, it seems to be a moral act.
The chances are pretty low that an animal will enjoy itself on a mind altering drug due to their reliance on instinct, so ya in most cases it would probably be immoral. But just saying, if you could somehow prove that an animal gained more enjoyment than suffering by being on a drug you could make a case.
I'd sure love if my dog had the mental capacity to do mush and enjoy it though, that would be a pretty killer time.
I've just been going over the philosophical issue of animals rights though so I'll share my view anyway.
Since non-human animals do not demonstrate self-consciousness in any form, but rather seem to act purely out of instinct, the arguement seems to center around the animals capacity for suffering. Therefore if the animal seems to be enjoying itself on a certain drug (being conscious of being on the drug is not an issue, as animals are not conscious and the whole world is compareable to being on drugs for animals) then as long as it's having a good time, it seems to be a moral act.
The chances are pretty low that an animal will enjoy itself on a mind altering drug due to their reliance on instinct, so ya in most cases it would probably be immoral. But just saying, if you could somehow prove that an animal gained more enjoyment than suffering by being on a drug you could make a case.
I'd sure love if my dog had the mental capacity to do mush and enjoy it though, that would be a pretty killer time.
MockTurtle
Bluelighter
PsychedelicPixie said:
Yes, but the horses are also eating overdose amounts and sleeping for days. Something to remember...
hazejunk
Bluelighter
My dog like's weed!!!when i smoke a joint he always come's siting right next to my....and he enjoy's the smoke!!
KemicalBurn
Bluelight Crew
crOOk said:
I have thought about it.
crOOk said:
Cane toads are in plague proportions. They are extremely common. You'll also find if an animal has a defense mechanism its generally an instantaenous effect. Not much point having a defensive technique if it doesnt work straight away, now does it?
crOOk said:
Dude, drugs are drugs...why does anyone continue to use?
crOOk said:
probably not "physically" addicted...remember, the media uses loaded words to grab your attention.
crOOk said:
If a animal repeatedly does an action to cause a desired effect, a logical conclusion can be assumed.
crOOk said:
Im about to PM Ozbreaker (who posted the article in AusDD) so your mistrust of what i say can be satisfied
In mean time heres the link to the thread, (when the source article was still - you do trust BigTrancer and the AusDD mods to check these things out?)
Blue Footed Booby
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ok...i'll share an incident that happened this spring break ya'll.
me and my buddies had taken some 5meo-dipt, which was dissolved in water about 7-8mgs ea. we all of course had our own glasses to take our dose. well one of my friends hadn't completely finished his glass so there was still some liquid at the bottom of his glass. well at some point the glass got knocked from the table onto the floor. All of a sudden another buddy of mine goes "oh shit!" we all look and their tiny chihuahua puppy was licking the liquid up from the carpet. of course we grabbed him right away and cleaned up the spill. Remember it's a puppy, i can wrap my hand around his body, so just 1mg was sure to do something to him. what happened was the poor puppy was shaking/vibrating on and off for a couple hours and was also whimpering alot. He was not acting normal that's for sure. the poor thing was probably just freaked the hell out and feelin weird as hell, and we all gave him extra love and took care of him during his 'trip'. But now he's just fine and hasn't had any kind of problems.
yes, yes, it was our faults for not cleaning up the spill right away because we knew there was a puppy in the house, and puppies will lick anything. i blame my friend for not finishing his drugs, lol, what a waste!
well know you know what happened to a puppy that took some foxy. finish your foxy folks!!
me and my buddies had taken some 5meo-dipt, which was dissolved in water about 7-8mgs ea. we all of course had our own glasses to take our dose. well one of my friends hadn't completely finished his glass so there was still some liquid at the bottom of his glass. well at some point the glass got knocked from the table onto the floor. All of a sudden another buddy of mine goes "oh shit!" we all look and their tiny chihuahua puppy was licking the liquid up from the carpet. of course we grabbed him right away and cleaned up the spill. Remember it's a puppy, i can wrap my hand around his body, so just 1mg was sure to do something to him. what happened was the poor puppy was shaking/vibrating on and off for a couple hours and was also whimpering alot. He was not acting normal that's for sure. the poor thing was probably just freaked the hell out and feelin weird as hell, and we all gave him extra love and took care of him during his 'trip'. But now he's just fine and hasn't had any kind of problems.
yes, yes, it was our faults for not cleaning up the spill right away because we knew there was a puppy in the house, and puppies will lick anything. i blame my friend for not finishing his drugs, lol, what a waste!
well know you know what happened to a puppy that took some foxy. finish your foxy folks!!
KemicalBurn
Bluelight Crew
Fuck! I cant believe i forgot to put the link in 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=2757369#post2757369
...Kids, this is your brain on drugs...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=2757369#post2757369
...Kids, this is your brain on drugs...
ozbreaker
Bluelighter
No need to PM - This came from http://www.news.com.au and since i'm big on sources i noticed it originally came from the Northern Territory News and posted that link instead.
I also noticed it on several other sites.
Interestingly enough i have read articles in the past year involving elephants ganging up and attacking convoys of sugar cane as they want it to ferment and monkeys(well some sort of simian like creature) in africa attacking breweries to get their fill of drink and everything turning rather ugly.
- This came from http://www.news.com.au and since i'm big on sources i noticed it originally came from the Northern Territory News and posted that link instead. I also noticed it on several other sites.
Interestingly enough i have read articles in the past year involving elephants ganging up and attacking convoys of sugar cane as they want it to ferment and monkeys(well some sort of simian like creature) in africa attacking breweries to get their fill of drink and everything turning rather ugly.
everythinginside
Ex-Bluelighter
When I was smoking freebase AMT my cat came out in the garage and sat in the smoke. or maybe my friend blew it on his face?
He tripped.
It was cool...
the only problem I can see in my cat is that he's overweight..
probably the best cat I've ever had.
He tripped.
It was cool...
the only problem I can see in my cat is that he's overweight..
probably the best cat I've ever had.
twominds
Bluelighter
There was a thread about a year ago with was helpful. I posted this ages ago.
If you can get a copy of Dr. Albert Hoffmans "My problem child" It should have all the info your after, plus its an interesting read.To save you some time. He says that it proved no benifit for his studies. He reports a mouse under the influence of acid shows minor motor disturbances and alterations in licking behavior,a cat shows vegetative symptoms like brisling of the hair and salivation, indictating possible hallucinations.It stares anxiously in the air and insted of attacting the mouse it leaves it alone or even stands in fear of it. Chimpanzes, fish and spiders were also tested with noticable effects. Fish swam with unusual postures,spiders built better proportioned webs on a small dose and badily constructed on higher dosages.To be very brief. Chimps are mentioned in detail, the chimp that has been dosed shows no obvious signs but the other chimps notice and the cage gets in an uproar because of the strange behavior exibitied by the LSD chimp.
This was the thread
Animals on LSD Might be help.
If you can get a copy of Dr. Albert Hoffmans "My problem child" It should have all the info your after, plus its an interesting read.To save you some time. He says that it proved no benifit for his studies. He reports a mouse under the influence of acid shows minor motor disturbances and alterations in licking behavior,a cat shows vegetative symptoms like brisling of the hair and salivation, indictating possible hallucinations.It stares anxiously in the air and insted of attacting the mouse it leaves it alone or even stands in fear of it. Chimpanzes, fish and spiders were also tested with noticable effects. Fish swam with unusual postures,spiders built better proportioned webs on a small dose and badily constructed on higher dosages.To be very brief. Chimps are mentioned in detail, the chimp that has been dosed shows no obvious signs but the other chimps notice and the cage gets in an uproar because of the strange behavior exibitied by the LSD chimp.
This was the thread
Animals on LSD Might be help.
Riiight, I remember him saying something about animals on psychedelics. I have the book. I think I'm gonna take it with me on that seminar this weekend. Thanks for the reminder!twominds said:
Also thanks for the link!
Plague proportions? Really? I didn't know that. Thought they were rare... Well... I'm still curious how long the poison takes to hit. Hope someone has information on this! You made a good point, but then again it could just scare predators away cause of the horrible taste!
Yeah, the media... That's why I'm so sceptical. They might have made a huge story out of a single intoxicated dog or something...
Well, needless to say, I am still sceptical, but some of the things you said made me at least consider the story to be "based on true events". ;D
crOOk