Animals on Psychedelics
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Ximot
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just don't. it'd be like spiking someone's drink or something. totally immature and unacceptable behaviour. like rape. the dog cannot give its consent, and think about how freaked out it might get, not understanding what is happening to it. how would you like to start tripping at random, not knowing what is happening to you? Sometimes I can't believe how stupid some people get.
amnesiaseizure
Bluelighter
You do this and you're a complete arsehole. Sorry to be so blunt but seriously man, don't ever do this to animals. You're never going to get their consent so it's a complete violation of their rights.
What the fuck would you get out of it? Just you and your mates laughing at the poor thing while it shits itself from fear.
Nice.
What the fuck would you get out of it? Just you and your mates laughing at the poor thing while it shits itself from fear.
Nice.
I don't know what would happen. I started a similar thread though and THE WOOD mentioned:
"a dog's neurostructure is very similair to a person's, their cardio vascular system isnt"
Still, I also feel it is ethically wrong!
@amnesiaseizure
You go and do it, you're a complete asshole, too. Dude, reread his post:
crOOk
"a dog's neurostructure is very similair to a person's, their cardio vascular system isnt"
Haha, I love it. Go smoke some Salvia. i never know I did drugs on higher doses. Scary - But still fun. So it is a weak argument.
Still, I also feel it is ethically wrong!
@amnesiaseizure
You go and do it, you're a complete asshole, too. Dude, reread his post:
He can't be more clear than that, can he?
crOOk
Ximot
Bluelighter
sorry but your insistence on being right is so pathetic that I will no longer reply to this or the other thread in DC after finishing this reply.
It is ludicrous how you bend words and their meanings. If you take salvia this was your choice and you know that you are tripping. So it is not random any more. True, a high dose makes you forget you even dosed. And yet it is not the same, and you know it.
It is ludicrous how you bend words and their meanings. If you take salvia this was your choice and you know that you are tripping. So it is not random any more. True, a high dose makes you forget you even dosed. And yet it is not the same, and you know it.
Man, I was just joking! It's just that I did use Salvia yesterday and it came to my mind. Shouldn't have mentioned it...
I tried to make it clear though:
"Still, I also feel it is ethically wrong!"
Maybe I should have put some ^^ in the right place.
Still dude, if you leave everything up to the dog's so called "choice" then it would soon die.
crOOk
I tried to make it clear though:
"Still, I also feel it is ethically wrong!"
Maybe I should have put some ^^ in the right place.
Still dude, if you leave everything up to the dog's so called "choice" then it would soon die.
crOOk
Juggalotus
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I'm sorry, but this is turning into a stupid discussion.
crOOk, you knew before hand that you were ingesting salvia, also you were (I assume) familiar with the effects.
An animal cannot understand what a psychadelic is, or the effects it will cause. So ripping its mind from reality would still not be its choice.
Even though you didn't know you did drugs on higher doses, you made the concious decision to put yourself in that position.
This post was originally intended to look at an animals neurostructure as compared to humans. I hope nobody would go and load up some dog with DMT, that is just cruel and un-ethical.
I really think this discussion should be about something other than "getting a dog high".
crOOk, you knew before hand that you were ingesting salvia, also you were (I assume) familiar with the effects.
An animal cannot understand what a psychadelic is, or the effects it will cause. So ripping its mind from reality would still not be its choice.
Even though you didn't know you did drugs on higher doses, you made the concious decision to put yourself in that position.
This post was originally intended to look at an animals neurostructure as compared to humans. I hope nobody would go and load up some dog with DMT, that is just cruel and un-ethical.
I really think this discussion should be about something other than "getting a dog high".
well my friends' dog has smoked pot and eaten morning glory seeds...or...so they tell me...i haven't actually seen any of them in a long time, so i can't say...
but one of them says the dog now stares at the floor for no reason...
and i think animals are just as capable of giving consent as humans are, but blowing smoke in their faces isn't right, either. i mean, sometimes it's clear that the animal wants some of whatever you're having. i think they should be allowed to...although you should probably read up on health hazards for them, first...but i think plenty of people have gotten their animals stoned or had them accidentally eat their shrooms/morning glory or whatever.
i don't have any pets tho
i used to have a lizard, but i don't think i would have given it any drugs 
but one of them says the dog now stares at the floor for no reason...
and i think animals are just as capable of giving consent as humans are, but blowing smoke in their faces isn't right, either. i mean, sometimes it's clear that the animal wants some of whatever you're having. i think they should be allowed to...although you should probably read up on health hazards for them, first...but i think plenty of people have gotten their animals stoned or had them accidentally eat their shrooms/morning glory or whatever.
i don't have any pets tho
i used to have a lizard, but i don't think i would have given it any drugs
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I don't think that getting a dog stoned is anywhere comparable to a psychadelic. Now, Morning glory seeds and mushies are a different story. But still the animal has not idea what is going to happen.
It reminds me of a dog drinking anti-freeze, it tastes good to them (maybe mushies would too) but it would kill them without them knowing it (or make them trip their balls off), so they drink (eat) away, and little do they know, they are dead the next day (or tripping uncontrollably).
If the animal were to know that drinking anti-freeze (or eating a cap) would kill it (or make it trip), I don't think that it would be a problem, because they made a concious decision based on knowledge of the substance.
Hell, my cat likes to sit in my lap and share bong hits with me, sometimes it wants to stay and get blown, and other times it doesn't. So I also believe they can make concious decisions, but they cannot be educated on the subject to the point where they could say yes or no to any psychadelic.
It reminds me of a dog drinking anti-freeze, it tastes good to them (maybe mushies would too) but it would kill them without them knowing it (or make them trip their balls off), so they drink (eat) away, and little do they know, they are dead the next day (or tripping uncontrollably).
If the animal were to know that drinking anti-freeze (or eating a cap) would kill it (or make it trip), I don't think that it would be a problem, because they made a concious decision based on knowledge of the substance.
Hell, my cat likes to sit in my lap and share bong hits with me, sometimes it wants to stay and get blown, and other times it doesn't. So I also believe they can make concious decisions, but they cannot be educated on the subject to the point where they could say yes or no to any psychadelic.
I think if the animal has seen you eat psychedelics, and then has been around you while you're tripping, it will get a feel for what psychedelics do. I think animals can read emotions as well as people can. They just can't tell exactly what you're saying all the time.
I find this pretty interesting. I am a pretty big animal-rights person so my perspective is perhaps a bit biased. I am really against anyone feeding an animal a mind-altering substance. Most animals don't have the higher functions required to make any sort of informed decision and altering someones reality is pretty cruel without their knowledge.
On that note though, I have cats and I smoke marijuana inside. There was one instance where I had several people over and the room got quite smokey. Normally my cats just stay away but one stuck around. Perhaps I was just really messed up but it appeared that he was intoxicated. I don't think I'd consider this situation cruel.
Just like children, its up to us to take care of our pets. (All animals and people) I would equate anyone feeding or in anyway intoxicating an animal with a mind-altering substance the same as doing it to a child. Like Juggalotus said, it may taste good and they'll do it willingly (much like a child), but that doesn't make it right to enable them. Of course, my whole opinion is hinged on the fact that the animal does indeed get intoxicated from the material.
Treat animals (and people!) with respect and stand up to cruelty!
On that note though, I have cats and I smoke marijuana inside. There was one instance where I had several people over and the room got quite smokey. Normally my cats just stay away but one stuck around. Perhaps I was just really messed up but it appeared that he was intoxicated. I don't think I'd consider this situation cruel.
Just like children, its up to us to take care of our pets. (All animals and people) I would equate anyone feeding or in anyway intoxicating an animal with a mind-altering substance the same as doing it to a child. Like Juggalotus said, it may taste good and they'll do it willingly (much like a child), but that doesn't make it right to enable them. Of course, my whole opinion is hinged on the fact that the animal does indeed get intoxicated from the material.
Treat animals (and people!) with respect and stand up to cruelty!
amnesiaseizure
Bluelighter
I'm an arsehole am I?
For what exactly? Just because someone says 'i'm not going to do this' is not a great indicator of whether they are or not so I felt the need, like the poster above me, to tell him/her not to.
God I'm such an arsehole, sorry.
For what exactly? Just because someone says 'i'm not going to do this' is not a great indicator of whether they are or not so I felt the need, like the poster above me, to tell him/her not to.
God I'm such an arsehole, sorry.
@amnesiaseizure
It's the same old story. The thread starter says something so he could avoid unsuitable replies. And someone else comes along and posts exactly what the thread starter did not want to hear.
He asked: "does anyone know what would happen if an animal was given a Psychedelic drug"
You did not answer his question. Actually your reply was totally unnecessary.
As was my post: You would be an asshole, too, if you did this. Do you comply?
See, it's just not called for. You insulted him for no reason, telling him he would be an asshole if he acted on his ideas. But he does not and never intended to. So what makes you so different from him? You would be the same kind of asshole if you poisoned an animal.
Never did I say you'd be an asshole though, amnesiaseizure, never.
crOOk
It's the same old story. The thread starter says something so he could avoid unsuitable replies. And someone else comes along and posts exactly what the thread starter did not want to hear.
He asked: "does anyone know what would happen if an animal was given a Psychedelic drug"
You did not answer his question. Actually your reply was totally unnecessary.
As was my post: You would be an asshole, too, if you did this. Do you comply?
See, it's just not called for. You insulted him for no reason, telling him he would be an asshole if he acted on his ideas. But he does not and never intended to. So what makes you so different from him? You would be the same kind of asshole if you poisoned an animal.
Never did I say you'd be an asshole though, amnesiaseizure, never.
crOOk
gloggawogga
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This doesn't belong here. Changing title and moving to DC.
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Re: Animals
Hopefully the dog would chew your fuckin face off and you would learn not to give psychedelics to your dog unless it asks... Shit like would seriously fuck up your dog dude. If you love your dog dont even consider it.
Pimpin said:
Hopefully the dog would chew your fuckin face off and you would learn not to give psychedelics to your dog unless it asks... Shit like would seriously fuck up your dog dude. If you love your dog dont even consider it.
PsychedelicPixie
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Closed by: PsychedelicPixie ( 
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Reason: Inhumane suggestions or activities.
lol If only!!!!
I'm not an Animal activist but I'm a lame thread activist. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that feeding an animal a brain altering substance is a bad idea.
~Pixie
)Reason: Inhumane suggestions or activities.
lol If only!!!!
I'm not an Animal activist but I'm a lame thread activist. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that feeding an animal a brain altering substance is a bad idea.
~Pixie
PsychedelicPixie
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Related Link: http://www.erowid.org/plants/stipa/stipa_info1.shtml
Quote from the link: 'BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- Ranchers and scientists have long wondered why horses grazing a certain grass (Stipa robusta) in the southwest stumble around in a drunken stupor and then collapse into a state of unconsciousness for days.
Once bitten, twice shy. After the horses wake up, they never eat this ``sleepy grass'' again.
Indiana University biologist Keith Clay has studied sleepy grass and found it to be infected with an unusual endophyte, a fungus that lives inside plant leaves. Alkaloids produced by the fungus are the knockout culprits (caffeine, nicotine, cocaine and morphine are other plant- produced alkaloids).
Clay found that the dominant alkaloid in sleepy grass is lysergic acid amide, a first cousin of LSD.
A report of Clay's study will appear in the Dec. 18 issue of the journal Natural Toxins.
Clay's discovery sheds light on a widespread, but unexplained, relationship between fungi and grasses.
Here, as in many other instances, plants and fungi are involved in a symbiotic relationship, Clay said. The grass provides a home and food for the fungus. The fungus pays room and board by turning the grass into an unattractive food source for hungry animals.
So in this case, ``infection'' isn't such a bad thing -- it's what keeps both partners alive.
But for horses, the sleepy grass predator, eating this grass is almost poison. A 150-pound man would become sedated by ingesting but one milligram of the alkaloid.
But a 1,200-pound horse eats 11 pounds of grass daily. And if that fresh grass consists of sleepy grass, that means consuming 47 milligrams of lysergic acid amide, or nearly six times the per-pound amount that sedates man.
It's no wonder that after this knockout the horses choose somewhere else to graze.
Clay does not fear that this discovery will send hordes of people to New Mexico and Arizona seeking a buzz by chewing on some sleepy grass.
Lysergic acid amide is a sedative, not a hallucinogen like its cousin.
And if the horses' subsequent aversion to the grass is any indication, the experience isn't a pleasant one.
Clay's sleepy grass research is merely the tip of the iceberg of his plants and fungi research. His current research involves the implications of this symbiotic relationship on agriculture and the synthesis of new pharmaceuticals.'
See and horses are strong animals! Obviously it's a bad idea.
Quote from the link: 'BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- Ranchers and scientists have long wondered why horses grazing a certain grass (Stipa robusta) in the southwest stumble around in a drunken stupor and then collapse into a state of unconsciousness for days.
Once bitten, twice shy. After the horses wake up, they never eat this ``sleepy grass'' again.
Indiana University biologist Keith Clay has studied sleepy grass and found it to be infected with an unusual endophyte, a fungus that lives inside plant leaves. Alkaloids produced by the fungus are the knockout culprits (caffeine, nicotine, cocaine and morphine are other plant- produced alkaloids).
Clay found that the dominant alkaloid in sleepy grass is lysergic acid amide, a first cousin of LSD.
A report of Clay's study will appear in the Dec. 18 issue of the journal Natural Toxins.
Clay's discovery sheds light on a widespread, but unexplained, relationship between fungi and grasses.
Here, as in many other instances, plants and fungi are involved in a symbiotic relationship, Clay said. The grass provides a home and food for the fungus. The fungus pays room and board by turning the grass into an unattractive food source for hungry animals.
So in this case, ``infection'' isn't such a bad thing -- it's what keeps both partners alive.
But for horses, the sleepy grass predator, eating this grass is almost poison. A 150-pound man would become sedated by ingesting but one milligram of the alkaloid.
But a 1,200-pound horse eats 11 pounds of grass daily. And if that fresh grass consists of sleepy grass, that means consuming 47 milligrams of lysergic acid amide, or nearly six times the per-pound amount that sedates man.
It's no wonder that after this knockout the horses choose somewhere else to graze.
Clay does not fear that this discovery will send hordes of people to New Mexico and Arizona seeking a buzz by chewing on some sleepy grass.
Lysergic acid amide is a sedative, not a hallucinogen like its cousin.
And if the horses' subsequent aversion to the grass is any indication, the experience isn't a pleasant one.
Clay's sleepy grass research is merely the tip of the iceberg of his plants and fungi research. His current research involves the implications of this symbiotic relationship on agriculture and the synthesis of new pharmaceuticals.'
See and horses are strong animals! Obviously it's a bad idea.
I haven't been on in a long time, so this comes a little bit late.... However, i was never planning to give ANY animals, ANY drugs. I agree that it is unethical, thats my opinion, and as i can gather, the opinion of all you guys. This was not intended as a question of "should i give my dog psychedelics or not". I was simply curious whether animals have the capacity to "trip. It was asked out or simple curiosity and nothing else.
KemicalBurn
Bluelight Crew
^Yes animals have shown to have both the capacity and willingness to trip.
Here in australia some dogs to the north have begun licking toads in order to get high (some toads secrete 5-meo-DMT and Bufotonin as a defense).
Toads turning dogs into junkies
By SUELLEN HINDE
18feb05
Dogs are licking the backs of cane toads to get high from a poison secreted from their glands, a Territory vet has revealed.
And the dogs are becoming addicted to the hallucinogenic cane toad poison -- bufo toxin.
Katherine vet Megan Pickering said yesterday she had seen many cases of dogs affected by the deadly toad poison.
"We have had quite a number of cases of dogs that are getting addicted to the toxin," she said.
"There seems to be dogs that are licking the toxin to get high.
"They lick the toads and only take in a small amount of the poison -- they get a smile on their face and look like they are going to wander off into the sunset."
Cane toads have been in Katherine for three wet seasons.
And dogs, being dogs, have discovered that just a little lick of bufo toxin makes a dog's life shine brighter.
Ms Pickering has treated more than 30 dogs suffering from the deadly effects of bufo toxin at her Katherine Vet Care surgery.
She said there was no doubt after experiencing the effects of cane toad bufo toxin there were some bleary-eyed dogs "going back to have a second go".
"It seems some of them have tasted it in small doses but there are others that have had more toxin and come in fully-fitting.
"But (despite this) they go on to do it again and again -- they seem to have worked it out."
Ms Pickering said the dogs were not developing a tolerance to the toxin but only ingesting small amounts.
"Larger doses would be fatal," she said.
NT Parks and Wildlife get more inquiries about safeguarding pets from the toad than on any other aspect.
They say the answer is to keep dogs and cats inside at night, warn and train them against tackling toads, and best of all keep toads out of your yard.
Ms Pickering said if a dog was suffering from cane toad poisoning -- fitting, running in circles, with bright red gums and/or frothing at the mouth -- wash its mouth out with water as quickly as possible.
relevant quote:
source
I'm posting this article for the purposes of discussion. play nice and dont encourage people to give animals drugs:
Otherwise you will see:
Closed by: KemicalBurn (sorry Pixie, maybe another day
)
Reason: Inhumane suggestions or activities.
and warnings will be given.
Here in australia some dogs to the north have begun licking toads in order to get high (some toads secrete 5-meo-DMT and Bufotonin as a defense).
Toads turning dogs into junkies
By SUELLEN HINDE
18feb05
Dogs are licking the backs of cane toads to get high from a poison secreted from their glands, a Territory vet has revealed.
And the dogs are becoming addicted to the hallucinogenic cane toad poison -- bufo toxin.
Katherine vet Megan Pickering said yesterday she had seen many cases of dogs affected by the deadly toad poison.
"We have had quite a number of cases of dogs that are getting addicted to the toxin," she said.
"There seems to be dogs that are licking the toxin to get high.
"They lick the toads and only take in a small amount of the poison -- they get a smile on their face and look like they are going to wander off into the sunset."
Cane toads have been in Katherine for three wet seasons.
And dogs, being dogs, have discovered that just a little lick of bufo toxin makes a dog's life shine brighter.
Ms Pickering has treated more than 30 dogs suffering from the deadly effects of bufo toxin at her Katherine Vet Care surgery.
She said there was no doubt after experiencing the effects of cane toad bufo toxin there were some bleary-eyed dogs "going back to have a second go".
"It seems some of them have tasted it in small doses but there are others that have had more toxin and come in fully-fitting.
"But (despite this) they go on to do it again and again -- they seem to have worked it out."
Ms Pickering said the dogs were not developing a tolerance to the toxin but only ingesting small amounts.
"Larger doses would be fatal," she said.
NT Parks and Wildlife get more inquiries about safeguarding pets from the toad than on any other aspect.
They say the answer is to keep dogs and cats inside at night, warn and train them against tackling toads, and best of all keep toads out of your yard.
Ms Pickering said if a dog was suffering from cane toad poisoning -- fitting, running in circles, with bright red gums and/or frothing at the mouth -- wash its mouth out with water as quickly as possible.
relevant quote:
source
I'm posting this article for the purposes of discussion. play nice and dont encourage people to give animals drugs:
Otherwise you will see:
Closed by: KemicalBurn (sorry Pixie, maybe another day
)Reason: Inhumane suggestions or activities.
and warnings will be given.