Anhedonia

illusiondelusion3

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Anybody constantly experience anhedonia? I know it is a symptom of depression, which I do have but am not under care right now. I really only experience pleasure from pot, but not even that. I guess mainly right now my boyfriend or smoking weed. I feel bored constantly. What can I do? Any natural remedies or should I look into antidepressants?
 
Is anhedonia your only bothersome symptom at the moment? How long has it been an issue? And how long has your depression been existent? What other features of your depression do you experience?
 
I feel for the OP, but honestly, I can't stand how things like this are classified as a mental illness or disease.

In some places in the world it would be considered borderline enlightening.

OP, you need to switch it up in your life. Find new stuff to do till you find a thing(s) to do that you truely love.
 
I think that's really over-simplifying things. I also don't agree with the sort of "blame the victim" mentality, down-playing the problem and supporting the idea that if only the person did something differently they would be fine. It's not that easy and no one feels this way by choice. Things like this, whatever you want to refer to them as, are caused by an imbalance in the brain. Now that doesn't mean there is nothing that can be done or that environmental factors - past and present - don't play a role, or that it is hereditary, or that prescription medication is the only option (in addition, anti-depressants etc are not a magic cure and can create a lot of problems of their own so should be considered very carefully).

Having said that, from what you, the OP, said, it sounds like it's very possible that you could actually have ADHD. "Anhedonia" basically means an inability to experience joy or pleasure. Anhedonia is a symptom of some other problem, whether in the brain or the body or both, it isn't a disease. But you said that you feel bored a lot of the time and have little interest in things other than your boyfriend and pot. A lot of people don't realize that they have ADHD because they are not familiar with the symptoms. We don't hear a lot about the symptoms other than what the media portrays about ADHD in young children, but the symptoms in adults and teenagers are can be quite different. The term "Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder" is kind of misleading as well, because you don't necessarily have to have the hyperactivity part, and many people with ADHD don't. I would highly recommend finding a good doctor or psychiatrist and discussing your issues with them. Medication is not the only way to treat ADHD (nor is it always successful or a good choice), there are many good books etc on how to deal with one's ADHD through natural and behavioural means. Some psychiatrists also recommend certain supplements or herbs, although YMMV and they are very subtle and often take a long time to help. Whatever you decide to do, be prepared for the possibility that it will take a lot of work and be slow going. That doesn't mean it isn't worth doing things to improve your life.

Do you have difficulty doing things you don't enjoy or aren't interested in? Do you spend a lot of time on the few things you do enjoy, to the point of neglecting other responsibilities? When you are interested in something, do you spend a lot of time focussing on it, until suddenly you inexplicably grow bored with it and move onto a new obsession? Do you have trouble with motivation? Trouble concentrating on things you don't like? Do you spend too much time on the computer? Do you have trouble staying organized? If you answered yes to any of these questions (especially given what else you said in your post) I would seriously consider the fact that you could have ADHD. One great and progressive book about ADHD is "Scattered Minds" by Dr Gabor Mate.

Good luck and I hope you can find some ways that work for you to help you live a happier and more fulfilling life :-)
 
I think that's really over-simplifying things. I also don't agree with the sort of "blame the victim" mentality, down-playing the problem and supporting the idea that if only the person did something differently they would be fine. It's not that easy and no one feels this way by choice. Things like this, whatever you want to refer to them as, are caused by an imbalance in the brain. Now that doesn't mean there is nothing that can be done or that environmental factors - past and present - don't play a role, or that it is hereditary, or that prescription medication is the only option (in addition, anti-depressants etc are not a magic cure and can create a lot of problems of their own so should be considered very carefully).

Having said that, from what you, the OP, said, it sounds like it's very possible that you could actually have ADHD. "Anhedonia" basically means an inability to experience joy or pleasure. Anhedonia is a symptom of some other problem, whether in the brain or the body or both, it isn't a disease. But you said that you feel bored a lot of the time and have little interest in things other than your boyfriend and pot. A lot of people don't realize that they have ADHD because they are not familiar with the symptoms. We don't hear a lot about the symptoms other than what the media portrays about ADHD in young children, but the symptoms in adults and teenagers are can be quite different. The term "Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder" is kind of misleading as well, because you don't necessarily have to have the hyperactivity part, and many people with ADHD don't. I would highly recommend finding a good doctor or psychiatrist and discussing your issues with them. Medication is not the only way to treat ADHD (nor is it always successful or a good choice), there are many good books etc on how to deal with one's ADHD through natural and behavioural means. Some psychiatrists also recommend certain supplements or herbs, although YMMV and they are very subtle and often take a long time to help. Whatever you decide to do, be prepared for the possibility that it will take a lot of work and be slow going. That doesn't mean it isn't worth doing things to improve your life.

Do you have difficulty doing things you don't enjoy or aren't interested in? Do you spend a lot of time on the few things you do enjoy, to the point of neglecting other responsibilities? When you are interested in something, do you spend a lot of time focussing on it, until suddenly you inexplicably grow bored with it and move onto a new obsession? Do you have trouble with motivation? Trouble concentrating on things you don't like? Do you spend too much time on the computer? Do you have trouble staying organized? If you answered yes to any of these questions (especially given what else you said in your post) I would seriously consider the fact that you could have ADHD. One great and progressive book about ADHD is "Scattered Minds" by Dr Gabor Mate.

Good luck and I hope you can find some ways that work for you to help you live a happier and more fulfilling life :-)

While, I agree with some of what you say, there are parts where I have serious disagreement. There is no real indication that the OP has "ADHD", which I do not believe exists as Big Pharma, psychiatrists, and most of those in the medical profession portray it as. I do not believe that the majority of psychological ailments stem from chemical imbalance, but rather trauma in one's life causing the individual psychological trouble. Most people would readily disagree with what I am saying, and profess the findings of a million and one studies on chemical imbalance and how it effects us, but most of these studies are easily manipulated and provide faulty findings. I think if one becomes dependent on drugs, there can be some chemical imbalance after discontinuation that could cause psychological disturbance, but for the most part most of these mental ailments are cause of trauma. The pt. is not to blame, I agree, but I just don't buy the increasingly ubiquitous assumption that chemical imablance is the culprit. Drugs can help, as can psychotherapy, but drugs exert the same effect physiologically on mentally healthy and unhealthy individuals, the difference is in the perceived response, because they can, in fact, help with symptoms and ease the process of psychotherapy. Also, not everything boils down to one particular disorder, there is even room for disorders "NOS" (not otherwise specified) in the DSM itself. Again, my opinions aren't very popular, but I hold them to be true.
 
While, I agree with some of what you say, there are parts where I have serious disagreement. There is no real indication that the OP has "ADHD", which I do not believe exists as Big Pharma, psychiatrists, and most of those in the medical profession portray it as. I do not believe that the majority of psychological ailments stem from chemical imbalance, but rather trauma in one's life causing the individual psychological trouble. Most people would readily disagree with what I am saying, and profess the findings of a million and one studies on chemical imbalance and how it effects us, but most of these studies are easily manipulated and provide faulty findings. I think if one becomes dependent on drugs, there can be some chemical imbalance after discontinuation that could cause psychological disturbance, but for the most part most of these mental ailments are cause of trauma. The pt. is not to blame, I agree, but I just don't buy the increasingly ubiquitous assumption that chemical imablance is the culprit. Drugs can help, as can psychotherapy, but drugs exert the same effect physiologically on mentally healthy and unhealthy individuals, the difference is in the perceived response, because they can, in fact, help with symptoms and ease the process of psychotherapy. Also, not everything boils down to one particular disorder, there is even room for disorders "NOS" (not otherwise specified) in the DSM itself. Again, my opinions aren't very popular, but I hold them to be true.

Perhaps you misunderstood my opinions. An "imbalance" in the brain can be a number of things and can be caused by a number of things. One of the biggest causes in my view is environmental, such as childhood trauma. These things are not a person's fault. The author of the book that I recommended, Dr Gabor Mate, is a huge proponent of this view. He also incorporates the latest findings in neurology to support his conclusions. He has an excellent book on addiction called "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts" as well. He thinks the current "disease" model when it come to mental health is very flawed and that just because there is something "abnormal" (or however you want to put it) in someone's brain does not mean that things like depression, ADHD or drug addiction are hereditary, diseases, or unpreventable. However, this does not mean that there are not real changes in the brain that precipitate these mental health problems or that people aren't predisposed by their brain make-up and therefore more sensitive to developing issues like ADHD, depression, addiction, etc. Based on your views I think you would really enjoy his books.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood my use of the term "ADHD". Nowhere did I say that the OP definitely has ADHD, I merely suggested it as a possibility to consider and recommended that she see a good doctor or psychiatrist ("good" being a key word). I did not mean to imply that I agree with the Big Pharma view that ADHD is a "disease", that we are born with it, or that what happens in our lives doesn't play a huge role, or that medication is the answer. I thought that was clear from my post :-) I use the term ADHD to mean a collection of symptoms (which is actually what all mental "disorders" are and how they are diagnosed). These symptoms are caused by our brains. People who have these symptoms have different brains than people who don't. I have actually had a new type of brain scan done where the neurologist could tell me just from looking at my brain scans what my mental health symptoms were and they were very accurate. So, basically, while I do believe that imbalances in the brain cause mental and physical symptoms, I do not consider these symptoms to be diseases or something you are born with. There are things that cause the imbalances too. I believe that many "imbalances" are caused by things like psychological trauma. Does this make sense?
 
Perhaps you misunderstood my opinions. An "imbalance" in the brain can be a number of things and can be caused by a number of things. One of the biggest causes in my view is environmental, such as childhood trauma. These things are not a person's fault. The author of the book that I recommended, Dr Gabor Mate, is a huge proponent of this view. He also incorporates the latest findings in neurology to support his conclusions. He has an excellent book on addiction called "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts" as well. He thinks the current "disease" model when it come to mental health is very flawed and that just because there is something "abnormal" (or however you want to put it) in someone's brain does not mean that things like depression, ADHD or drug addiction are hereditary, diseases, or unpreventable. However, this does not mean that there are not real changes in the brain that precipitate these mental health problems or that people aren't predisposed by their brain make-up and therefore more sensitive to developing issues like ADHD, depression, addiction, etc. Based on your views I think you would really enjoy his books.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood my use of the term "ADHD". Nowhere did I say that the OP definitely has ADHD, I merely suggested it as a possibility to consider and recommended that she see a good doctor or psychiatrist ("good" being a key word). I did not mean to imply that I agree with the Big Pharma view that ADHD is a "disease", that we are born with it, or that what happens in our lives doesn't play a huge role, or that medication is the answer. I thought that was clear from my post :-) I use the term ADHD to mean a collection of symptoms (which is actually what all mental "disorders" are and how they are diagnosed). These symptoms are caused by our brains. People who have these symptoms have different brains than people who don't. I have actually had a new type of brain scan done where the neurologist could tell me just from looking at my brain scans what my mental health symptoms were and they were very accurate. So, basically, while I do believe that imbalances in the brain cause mental and physical symptoms, I do not consider these symptoms to be diseases or something you are born with. There are things that cause the imbalances too. I believe that many "imbalances" are caused by things like psychological trauma. Does this make sense?

Yes, you have clarified yourself better for me to understand, any way. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I don't 100 % still, but I guess our views aren't that different.
 
Also illusiondelusion3, let me know if you are still interested in natural remedies. I have an excellent psychiatrist who recommended a bunch on different supplements for depression etc. Just give me a clearer picture of your symtoms and I will tell you what supplements are recommended.
 
illusiondelusion, I am sorry to hear about your difficulties <3

Do you think you could you elaborate a little more on your anhedonia? How long have you had it? Is it constant? Are there activities you used to enjoy that you have dropped?

As Dextermeth said (paraphrased haha) mental health/illness are a continuum and it only becomes a problem if it is causing us distress or difficulties really - how bad is it for you?

If you can identify key areas you could try to change, or new things you might enjoy, things might start to improve. It can be easy to fall into a rut sometimes. Smoking lots of weed can be bad for that sort of thing too, I didn't realise how demotivated I had become until I stopped smoking heavily..

If you do think you definitely have anhedonia and it is distressing you then I would go to see a doctor - you want to rule out a full blown depressive episode, and there are treatments for anhedonia as well. I don't mean to dismiss your symptoms at all, but it might be worth making a few lifestyle changes first just to see if it helps? What do you think?
 
Is anhedonia your only bothersome symptom at the moment? How long has it been an issue? And how long has your depression been existent? What other features of your depression do you experience?
Well, no..anhedonia isn't the only problem although it is definitely the most bothersome. I have awful sleeping patterns (too much/too little), one day I'll do nothing but lay in bed all day feeling miserable and the next day I'm down to do anything.."up and at em". Sometimes I'll eat a ton one day, and have a snack the next. I feel like I'm two different people or something.
 
Thanks for the support, effie. :)
I feel like I've had anhedonia for awhile now..maybe over a year. I don't think it is constant.
I've tried certain activities such as joining the gym last winter, which only lasted for a couple of months. I try reading, I enjoy drawing and such but I cannot motivate myself to do it. I feel like I have no ideas, almost like I have an empty head. My mental health has been an issue forever, sometimes I try to forget about it, and stop looking into my symptoms, but they just end up bothering me more. I'd like to try new things, but I wish I had more friends that were down to go try new things with me. My boyfriend and I are long distance, which adds to my problems, but I would not want to change that aspect of my life.
 
I might first advise some psychotherapy with a good therapist (psychologists are usually superior to other therapists without a license IMO). I also would advise art as a form of therapy, whether it is journaling, writing poetry, sketching, painting, pottery, scrap-booking etc. Whatever floats your boat. Also I would advise some forced self-motivation, which can be hard and seem pointless can but can yield desirable results. For example if you there is a party you are invited to, go instead of just sitting in even if you don't want to. I would try to better stabilize your appetite by first stabilzing what you eat. This can be hard, but can be done. Eat healthy foods. Eating healthy really does feel better than eating trash. Try to live a healthy, unrestricted lifestyle, and enjoy yourself to the best of your ability. Masturbation can yield good results on mood, so don't shy away from that, seriously, it is a therapeutic and healthy activity. "Resting" too much can lead to depressive symptoms, but that isn't to say it doesn't have it's role when needed, and relaxation should always be incorporated into your life. They are different things. I don't know much about your drug history, other than the fact you use cannabis, which I wouldn't neccessarily advise stopping even though long-term cannabis use is notorious for encouraging apathetic tendencies. The fact is though that cannabis is a nice euphoriant for many people, and if you feel it is helping you, I see no reason to stop. I don't know if I would advise any drug-therapy, because I don't know all of the details, the severity, your history etc., but beware of therapists (even psychologists) refering you to a psych doc and then being put on useless or potentially harmful meds. Inform yourself on meds if you feel you need them, and play an active role in choosing which one(s) might be best if needed. An anti-depressant might be a good option, just make sure you get a good one. Stay away from anti-psychotics, I highly doubt they would help you with the anhedonia, and are dangerous drugs. Your symptoms do seem a little up and down, and a lot of professionals would automatically say "BIPOLAR" (the trend of the century), but unless you experience troublesome hypomania or mania, the depression should be the # 1 condition to focus treatment around.
 
Psych meds/therapy work best together to get your life back on track so you can get back doing the things you enjoy. There're many mental disorders that can fit your symptoms of lack of motivation, too much sleep or too little, and anhedonia. There's depression/anxiety, ADHD, bipolar type 2, sleep disorder, mixed symptoms, etc. Bad diet, irregular sleeping pattern, chemical imbalance, genes, lack of activity, can contribute to what you're experiencing.

What other symptoms do you have?
 
I would also recommend finding a good medical doctor and/or naturopath and getting some blood tests done. There are a lot of hormonal or endocrine system imbalances that can cause the symptoms you are experiencing, for example if something is off with your thyroid, adrenals, pituitary, etc. I would make a list of all your symptoms to take with you. I'm not sure where you live or whether cost is a factor?

As for the natural remedies and supplements, I figured I would list them here just in case they can be of benefit to anyone else, as opposed to via PM - hopefully that is ok?

These were all recommended by my psychiatrist and/or my sleep therapist. Many of these do take a while to start noticing effects so don't give up on them just because you don't instantly feel better.

- Melatonin: this helps you get to sleep and helps regulate the sleep cycle, take it before bed. It can also help subtly with anxiety and other mental issues. It's best if you can get the quick-release kind AND the slow-release kind, but you can start off with the quick-release tablets. Melatonin is available at vitamin shops, health food stores and many grocery stores. It should help you get a better sleep right away.

- 5-HTP: a supplement for depression and other mental issues such as anxiety, can also help with sleep issues.

-Magnesium: good for lots of things, including regulating the sleep cycle and your brain.

- PharmaGABA: a supplement for depression and other mental issues, can also help with sleep issues. You can take GABA if PharmaGABA is too expensive but you have to take more of it.

- Valerian: a herb, good for relaxation, sleep and anxiety. Take before bed and/or take small quantities during the day.

- Kava: I know you said you already tried it but you might want to give it another shot if you have any left. I found it helpful in combination with these other things and it's best if you take it for a period of time and find the right dose (not too much, not too little).

- Vitamin D3: this is what we get from the sun. Do you find that you feel a bit better when it's sunny out?

- Fish oil: great for the brain.

- L-glutamine: for sleep and depression etc.

- L-arginine: for sleep and depression etc.

- Kelp: helps regulate the thyroid gland. You can't take it at the same time as anything else though.

- Adrenal complex: you can find various herbal mixtures that are marketed for balancing the adrenal glands.

- B-100 or B vitamin complex

- Food: what you eat is hugely important. Try to drink a ton of water and eat healthy foods. Learn to listen to your body. You can do some research on what types of foods would be helpful for your specific symptoms and body type.

- Exercise: I highly recommend yoga, especially some of the more active types of yoga like Anusara.

- Acupuncture.

- I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting but this list is already getting really long and it can be expensive and annoying to take like 20 different supplements every day. I would probably suggest starting off with some magnesium, melatonin, 5-HTP and a multi-vitamin and doing some yoga and see if that helps. Let me know if you'd like more details about anything. Good luck and I also wish the best of luck with finding a good health care professional of some sort, I know it can be really difficult.
 
ive been anhedonic on and off for as long as i can remember..simply doing different things doesnt seem to help..its like an underlying boredom with life itself that always persists..drugs have really helped in the past but they also make the problem worse..the solution, i really dont know..anhedonia is quite hard to treat but welbutrin seems to work for many..
 
Starting in my 40s, I felt plagued by anhedonia. Browsing forums a few months ago, I stumbled into a sudden realization which immedately seems to have permanently changed my ideation around this.

In short, I had previously felt that I didn't care about anything, was apathetic, bored, etc... and was generally seeking a more engaged way to be. The realization was that I actually already did care about something--namely, the fact that I (supposedly) had anhedonia. I saw that there would be a big difference if I had all of the former symptoms--and also didn't even care about noticing them.

From that point on, I was able to accept anhedonia as some persistent state (or mood) that I happened to be in--for however long it wanted to stay, and just sit it out without worrying about labeling it negatively.

Call it mental gymnastics if you like, but the insight kinda made a big difference for me.
 
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