Lately iv'e seen black tar heroin rise in my area and I was trying to seek some unbiased information. Is BTH as bad as they say? smoking it seems to be the preferred method of administration by most recreational users. Is smoking it safe and how often do you need to use to become addicted? I'm not saying I'm going to go out right away and try it, but is it worth it?
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Heroin An interest in BTH
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Mr.Scagnattie
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Yes it's bad.. Ha. All heroin is bad, my friend. In the case if BTH, it's usually less pure than east coast powder and much harder on the veins if one is injecting. Smoking it, water-lining it, and plugging it are the best ways to use it.. Though if you're smoking technique is no good.. You can end up wasting a lot of it.
How long do you have to use to become addicted? There's no one answer to that question... If you are talking about psychical dependency than it can take weeks of continuous use for that to happen for the first time, sometimes longer. But, once you do pick up that habit, it happens faster every time to the point where only a few days of using in a row is enough.
You also asked if it is worth it... Well only you can make that decision based on your own life and where you want it to be. But generally, no. It's not worth it. It's a drug that ruins lives..
Save yourself years of agony and put the thought out of your head. Just look around this site at all the posts about the horrors of heroin addiction... That really how you want to end up, man?
Think long and hard about this before you cross that line..
How long do you have to use to become addicted? There's no one answer to that question... If you are talking about psychical dependency than it can take weeks of continuous use for that to happen for the first time, sometimes longer. But, once you do pick up that habit, it happens faster every time to the point where only a few days of using in a row is enough.
You also asked if it is worth it... Well only you can make that decision based on your own life and where you want it to be. But generally, no. It's not worth it. It's a drug that ruins lives..
Save yourself years of agony and put the thought out of your head. Just look around this site at all the posts about the horrors of heroin addiction... That really how you want to end up, man?
Think long and hard about this before you cross that line..
Trust me, there's nothing all that interesting about BTH.
I was addicted to Oxycontin, quit cold turkey then relapsed a few months later because I still felt like I was half dead. However, by the time I started using again I had burned my Oxy dealer and the morphine pills I'd relapsed on and had become physically dependent on were unsatisfying and also very expensive. So I made the switch to BTH.
I'd used heroin before out of curiosity and when I'd been out of other opiates, but when I made the switch it was the first time I was using it regularly. BTH is very foul, no matter the quality. Smoking it is disgusting, it tastes like some awful mix between vinegar and soy sauce. Literally, when I smoked it I would gag and even dry heave from the taste alone.. I had to force myself to smoke enough to get high. Which is horrible when you're sick from WDs and just want to feel better but you really don't want to do this shit.
So of course I ended up switching to IV, and everything went downhill fast from there. I already had a massive tolerance from Oxy, so switching didn't save me money. But for the first time, I experienced intense cravings for opiates and I lost control of my habit. I was shooting up several times a day, I was extremely thin, and completely physically addicted... I had to use or I would be incredibly sick. BTH is extremely filthy, it's made in unsanitary conditions... if you ever watched it made, you would throw up. Better to eat dog shit, tbh.
This didn't start all at once.. At one point, I was just like you. Curious to try opiates, especially this drug that everyone thought was so bad. I never thought I would be addicted. I used here and there, always careful. Till one day I didn't use and was so sick I couldn't work. And I realized what a trap I had fallen into. The amount you have to use to become addicted varies by person, no one here on BL could answer that question. No drug is ever "safe", but heroin is a street drug... it's not clean like pharmaceutical opiates which come in pills. There's not quality control, dealers cut it to make more profit.
Do yourself a favor, don't even try it. If you've never experienced physical addiction it's hard to explain... but it traps you. I've quit before, but even after getting through the major WD symptoms I still didn't feel okay. It can take a year for your opiate receptors to normalize. In the meantime, your body won't produce endorphins. So things that make you feel happy, like eating good food, taking a walk, hanging out with friends, just feel like.. nothing. It's like hell on earth, you want to be normal again but you're trapped. I can't even begin to find the words to explain, but trying BTH is the worst idea ever. And it's not worth it either, it's not a great drug. Other opiates are way better and don't produce intense cravings. But you can and will become physically addicted if you use them more than once every month or less.
Edit: In response to the post above, with BTH it won't take weeks of continuous use.. you can experience WD symptoms much sooner than that. Also, tar and powder are about equal in terms of potency. But tar is definitely more crude, less refined, and just a dirty drug.
I was addicted to Oxycontin, quit cold turkey then relapsed a few months later because I still felt like I was half dead. However, by the time I started using again I had burned my Oxy dealer and the morphine pills I'd relapsed on and had become physically dependent on were unsatisfying and also very expensive. So I made the switch to BTH.
I'd used heroin before out of curiosity and when I'd been out of other opiates, but when I made the switch it was the first time I was using it regularly. BTH is very foul, no matter the quality. Smoking it is disgusting, it tastes like some awful mix between vinegar and soy sauce. Literally, when I smoked it I would gag and even dry heave from the taste alone.. I had to force myself to smoke enough to get high. Which is horrible when you're sick from WDs and just want to feel better but you really don't want to do this shit.
So of course I ended up switching to IV, and everything went downhill fast from there. I already had a massive tolerance from Oxy, so switching didn't save me money. But for the first time, I experienced intense cravings for opiates and I lost control of my habit. I was shooting up several times a day, I was extremely thin, and completely physically addicted... I had to use or I would be incredibly sick. BTH is extremely filthy, it's made in unsanitary conditions... if you ever watched it made, you would throw up. Better to eat dog shit, tbh.
This didn't start all at once.. At one point, I was just like you. Curious to try opiates, especially this drug that everyone thought was so bad. I never thought I would be addicted. I used here and there, always careful. Till one day I didn't use and was so sick I couldn't work. And I realized what a trap I had fallen into. The amount you have to use to become addicted varies by person, no one here on BL could answer that question. No drug is ever "safe", but heroin is a street drug... it's not clean like pharmaceutical opiates which come in pills. There's not quality control, dealers cut it to make more profit.
Do yourself a favor, don't even try it. If you've never experienced physical addiction it's hard to explain... but it traps you. I've quit before, but even after getting through the major WD symptoms I still didn't feel okay. It can take a year for your opiate receptors to normalize. In the meantime, your body won't produce endorphins. So things that make you feel happy, like eating good food, taking a walk, hanging out with friends, just feel like.. nothing. It's like hell on earth, you want to be normal again but you're trapped. I can't even begin to find the words to explain, but trying BTH is the worst idea ever. And it's not worth it either, it's not a great drug. Other opiates are way better and don't produce intense cravings. But you can and will become physically addicted if you use them more than once every month or less.
Edit: In response to the post above, with BTH it won't take weeks of continuous use.. you can experience WD symptoms much sooner than that. Also, tar and powder are about equal in terms of potency. But tar is definitely more crude, less refined, and just a dirty drug.
BTH is still heroin. Smoking it is just as addictive as IV. Kids (including me) were smoking BTH in high school where I'm from, thinking it was safer than using IV, and it's really not. We all ended up just as addicted as each other. Some eventually used the needle, some didn't.
Even after I started using the needle and I was addicted I never needed to inject. Sometimes I didn't feel like getting rigs so I would just rip off some tin foil and smoke. It was all the same to me. Dope is dope.
Even after I started using the needle and I was addicted I never needed to inject. Sometimes I didn't feel like getting rigs so I would just rip off some tin foil and smoke. It was all the same to me. Dope is dope.
tricomb
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There's nothing good about it, even with micron filtration it looks gross to inject. Heroin for the most part for most people is not worth it at all, and as mr scagnattie said, once you cross that line...
majorigpa
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being born and raised in Los Angeles, i've used tar exclusively. i started off just smoking it for a looooong time, enjoying the immediate high and the ability to regulate my high more effectively. i switched to IV for the usual reasons: cost and the rush, using far less product to get the same nod. smoking can catch you just as quickly as IV in terms of dependence. for instance after 2 weeks of smoking, i went from needing .2 a day to catch a huge nod to needing A GRAM a day to feel the same, and found that withdrawal symptoms seemed to develop faster and hit me quicker. for instance, if i used 3 days in a row i felt myself craving and getting sick in a shorter amount of time than IV, as if my body was processing the dope faster.
i know people who are full-blown addicted to smoking tar, some moreso than people i know who IV. the only difference being that they can afford to pay for the massive amounts needed to keep themselves addicted. sooner or later though, most people i know who started smoking and swore they would only smoke, wound up IVing. neither way is "safer" for your body. when i smoked, i coughed up black shit constantly, and since i had to take a puff a couple times an hour, i wound up inhaling ALOT of aluminum as well. obviously the big danger of IV is the thickness of the product, and that it "destroys your veins faster". i don't really have anyone to compare this too, since everyone i know uses tar, and i've only ever used tar, but it makes sense. shit is sticky and thick, no doubt, but my veins are doing okay as i keep a steady rotation and try to shoot as quickly after prepping as possible to keep the solution fluid.
if you're gonna smoke, just keep it down to once a week or so. it creeps up on you quick, and it's easy to trick yourself into believing that smoking it is somehow safer or easier to maintain. i've been just as hooked using it both ways, the only difference being IV is more cost effective, and i get that initial "rush" thats absent from smoking. same drug. same dangers. same potential for addiction. be careful and don't kid yourself.
i know people who are full-blown addicted to smoking tar, some moreso than people i know who IV. the only difference being that they can afford to pay for the massive amounts needed to keep themselves addicted. sooner or later though, most people i know who started smoking and swore they would only smoke, wound up IVing. neither way is "safer" for your body. when i smoked, i coughed up black shit constantly, and since i had to take a puff a couple times an hour, i wound up inhaling ALOT of aluminum as well. obviously the big danger of IV is the thickness of the product, and that it "destroys your veins faster". i don't really have anyone to compare this too, since everyone i know uses tar, and i've only ever used tar, but it makes sense. shit is sticky and thick, no doubt, but my veins are doing okay as i keep a steady rotation and try to shoot as quickly after prepping as possible to keep the solution fluid.
if you're gonna smoke, just keep it down to once a week or so. it creeps up on you quick, and it's easy to trick yourself into believing that smoking it is somehow safer or easier to maintain. i've been just as hooked using it both ways, the only difference being IV is more cost effective, and i get that initial "rush" thats absent from smoking. same drug. same dangers. same potential for addiction. be careful and don't kid yourself.
majorigpa
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^ heard that. should've been more specific. you will definitely continue to lose money either way. with IVing it'll just take a longer time to lose the same amount of money.
BlueHues
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I've had the pleasure of being hooked on both tar AND ECP....I'm from the east coast....
And IME, they both are about the same really....Tar will fuck up your veins quicker, but I got some of my best IV rushes off tar....
Once, you're addicted, tar doesn't keep you well as long....I could go 24 hours with east coast dope if I had to, but with the tar, I had to use every 10-12 hours just to keep the sick at bay, that was the main difference for me!
But, unless you don't have an addictive personality, you are fucking asking for it going anywhere near any type of heroin....
Unless you have nothing to do with your life and you wanna become a drug addict, don't play around!
And IME, they both are about the same really....Tar will fuck up your veins quicker, but I got some of my best IV rushes off tar....
Once, you're addicted, tar doesn't keep you well as long....I could go 24 hours with east coast dope if I had to, but with the tar, I had to use every 10-12 hours just to keep the sick at bay, that was the main difference for me!
But, unless you don't have an addictive personality, you are fucking asking for it going anywhere near any type of heroin....
Unless you have nothing to do with your life and you wanna become a drug addict, don't play around!
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
How long does heroin actually remain cost effective? A few days? A week? A month tops?? The whole cost-effective shit is BS, when your shooting grams of street heroin per day it's almost always cheaper to use pharmaceuticals and when used properly, they can be used much safer due to quality control regulations and always knowing exactly how much drug you're dealing with.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
You can also plug BTH.
I don't suggest using heroin to be honest.
I don't suggest using heroin to be honest.
majorigpa
Bluelighter
i've been waiting to see if anyone had any deep experience with both. this is an interesting perspective for me BlueHues. I can definitely attest to the 12 hour dopesick mark. interesting to hear about the rush vs. legs angle. and don't get me wrong, i have no illusions that im doing myself any favors or saving myself any amount of health or money by using IV. just noting that during that period in which most people decide to switch ROA's, money is usually a factor.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
A lot of "junkies" knock tar compared to powder, but IME, I've done some phenomenal black out west! There's a lot of garbage powder on the east coast too though! Tar by weight was much cheaper 5 years ago when I was doing it, but you always had to make sure you saved shot!
The ECP does have better legs, and it's not like you're high, but you're just well for longer, IME......
If you IV and can get good powder, it's better for that reason, but I loved the tar too, and I went straight from doing powder to doing tar on the same habit....Tar's nasty shit, but it works!
The ECP does have better legs, and it's not like you're high, but you're just well for longer, IME......
If you IV and can get good powder, it's better for that reason, but I loved the tar too, and I went straight from doing powder to doing tar on the same habit....Tar's nasty shit, but it works!
ilikedrugs77
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Injecting tar, is the only way to do it. Otherwise you're going to smoke and not feel anything.. meaning it's way more effective and cost effective to inject it. In my experience, there is no other way to use BTH. ALso, I have heard of many accounts of smoking BTH to be dangerous, because in the past, people have been known to put some weird chemical in the H that causes the user to get really out of it, and then die. If you're interested in what I am telling you, I will research this and find what I have read in the past for BLuelights knowledge. Wanna here more?
Mr.Scagnattie
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If you think smoking anything is more harmful than injecting... you're fooling yourself and putting out some serious misinformation in the process...
BTH is incredibly harmful on your veins and is infinitely more dangerous than any other ROA, including smoking..
So, injecting tar is almost certainly not the only way to do it.. it's the most dangerous and hazardous to your health.. If whatever you think is in it that is harmful via smoking... how is that better than putting it into your veins..?
ilikedrugs77
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Ah yes... here is what I was talking about...
Go to this link:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin_health2.shtml
That is why I will never smoke black tar ever again, talk about harm reduction..
Link talks about a past contaminant of heroin that would make the person unresponsive and would usually lead to death.. a must read if you don't know for sure.
Go to this link:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin_health2.shtml
That is why I will never smoke black tar ever again, talk about harm reduction..
Link talks about a past contaminant of heroin that would make the person unresponsive and would usually lead to death.. a must read if you don't know for sure.
ilikedrugs77
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check out that link, I'm not saying injecting is better for you, I am merely stating that there have been a lot of bad cases due to smoking, whereas, I have not read of any of these bad experiences for the ROA of injection.
Yes, smoking is generally going to be better for you, but I would rather not risk injecting this scary chemical that the link talks about.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
What you are referring too is a condition than can occur from long term inhalation of heroin... but that's not just BTH.. that's H in general. However, when it comes to overall risk and harm... IV heroin is much much worse.. You have greater risk of OD, IV complications like infection, vein damage, etc. etc.
Leukoencephalopathy is something specific to smoking heroin, yes... but again, it's rare and IV heroin has many more complications that are much more prevalent.
Leukoencephalopathy is something specific to smoking heroin, yes... but again, it's rare and IV heroin has many more complications that are much more prevalent.