An Arbitrary List of (Mostly) Safe & Effective Psychoactive Plants According to Teo

[solistus]

Your waiting list section still doesn't make sense. The rules don't apply, obviously, since it includes things that don't pass requirement 4. Clearly this section, at the very least, is totally subjective and based on your opinions and not any stated guidelines. Why call it a section of the list when it breaks the rules you just defined for said list? It's not "like a waiting list" unless you're waiting for some of these plants to evolve a psychoactive compound and then develop a long history of usage after said evolution. I guess you're thinking long term, then?

Why does it need to have been used by both "ancient cultures" and "westerns" to be on the list? At least this gives more definite standards than #2, but those standards seem completely arbitrary.

To sum up since I guess you were too lazy to read my posts before and reply to them in any form: you still haven't actually defined safe, long history of use, effective psychoactive or historical and cultural importance.

The points of defining rules for what does and doesn't count are to make it more objective and to limit it to some meaningful set of plants that might be useful to someone. Your list accomplishes neither. As I've already pointed out, the list you posted doesn't meet the rules you posted anyway, since you include some pretty unsafe substances like tobacco and I doubt every plant on that list has a documented history of both ancient and western use (there is no evidence of ancient use of HBWR seeds before, for example, as you yourself pointed out not too long ago in the thread on that very topic).

If you want to define the list as best you can, maybe you can start by reading the posts from me and other people and actually taking those arguments into consideration in some demonstrable fashion.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

haha ya im thinking longterm

apply the restrictions to entheogens and psychoactive, ignore the last list (if you want)

the important ones are the top two

"safe" and "long" are terms which you just have to use your own judgment to decide... those terms are not very clear, so yes, it's not perfect

but help me make the list and use your judgment combined with me to help complete the list

stop being all nit-picky, it's not that hard to figure out what im doing... im making a list of all the safe and effective psychoactive plants...

Now... what major ones have a missed? Betcha can't find any! (Besides Datura, Brugmansia, Mescal Bean, etc.)

 

[Bardeaux]

1) Does it come directly from natural sources? Is it a plant? Is it organic?
2) Does it have a long history of human usage? Has it been scientifically studied?
3) Does its history of human usage and scientific study show that it is relatively safe?
4) Has it been proven to be an effective psychoactive?
5) Has it been used traditionally by ancient cultures?
6) Has it been used by Westerns (Americans, Europeans, etc.)?
7) Is it a historically and culturally important psychoactive ethnobotanical?

The only guidelines here that I have beef with are numbers 5-7 as I dont really see how it affects the plants safety/effectiveness.

I do think acacia strains should be worked in there though. They are safe, effective plant psychoactives afterall.

 

[greenmeanies]

this list needs major subjective/medicinal effects along with the plants, as well as common doses (and what part of the plant should be used)

example: salix spp. - used for relief of minor aches and pains, steep 1-2 tsp dried bark material in hot water and consume as tea.

i would like to see datura back on the list, because it is a powerful anticholinergic medicine in very low doses and does have a long history of use in shamanistic and medicinal contexts.

remember, our goal should be education. i would like to see the 'baneful' list linked to this one as well.

 

[Delsyd]

all very good suggestions greenmeanies.

in fact anyone here feel free to to do so for any of the substances listed and post it here and I or one of the other mods will edit the original post to include your entry.

Then we can actually make a useful thread out of this.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

This to could lead to bluelight being slightly more plant oriented

 

[Bardeaux]

I dont know there is a whole lot of synthetic discussion here. Especially in PD

 

[Delsyd]

i dont think it would make it plant oriented but it would certainly be helpful to have a list like this once it becomes something a little more than just a list.

 

[Visitor Q]

I agree. The idea is good in the spirit of harms reduction.

Credit is due to Teo for sprouting a first draft, but it is in fact flawed (for many reasons stated by solistus among others) and I don't think that he should be managing it in any degree because of his biased and dogmatic views on the subject. He is not tackling the issue with an open and humble mind.

 

[Xorkoth]

This list can indeed be very useful, but I think that to really reach anything near its potential it needs to have, s has been mentioned, effects and medicinal uses, as well as dosages if known.

 

[Bardeaux]

* Amanita {var. muscaria} ~ “Fly Agaric”
* Anadenanthera colubrine {var. cebil} & Anadenanthera peregrina {var. peregrina} ~ "Cebil" & “Yopo”
* Argyreia nervosa {var. nervosa} ~ "Hawaiian Baby Woodrose”
* Banisteriopsis caapi~ “Ayahuasca”
* Diplopterys cabrerana ~ "Chaliponga" or "Oco-Yagè"
* Heimia salicifolia ~ "Sinicuichi" or "Sun Opener"
* Ipomoea tricolor & Ipomoea violacea ~ “Morning Glory”
*Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”
*Mimosa tenuiflora (syn. hostilis) ~ "Jurema"
*Psilocybe species & Panaeolus species ~ “'Shrooms”
*Psychotria viridis ~ “Chacruna”
*Salvia divinorum ~ "Pipiltzintzintli" or “Diviner’s Sage”
*Tabernanthe iboga ~ “Iboga”
*Trichocereus (syn. Echinopsis) bridgesii, T. pachanoi & T. peruvianus~ “San Pedro” & “Peruvian Torch”
*Turbina (syn. Rivea) corymbosa ~ “Ololiuqui”
*Virola calophylla & Virola theiodora ~ "Epena"

Erowid links to the psychedelic plants provided. If this is useful I dont mind linking the others.

 

[Visitor Q]

In my opinion, it would need to have a different perspective than that of Erowid. Otherwise, what's the point of making a second Erowid?

Perhaps a condensed version of established facts and observations because Erowid can sometimes be a little confusing, especially the huge vaults when trying to pinpoint specific info and also I've noticed Erowid often don't "dare" to mention dosage of certain plants/drugs.

 

[nopipesdfw]

entheogen = psychedelic plant.

Before I argue, first I gotta say thanks for the thread. I like it. You just always say some weird shit that makes little sense to me somewhere in the midst of it all.

Are you saying an entheogen HAS to be in the form of a psychedelic plant? Smoking freebase DMT (nothing else compares) is the only thing that I believe is a true entheogen for me. It does come from a plant and I have great respect for all of them (probably not as much as you lol), but I'm not going to pretend my ticket to hyperspace and the impossible isn't just that.

Next to extracted DMT, I have got to say that LSD (Especially when combined with DXM) and other ergoline containing seeds are what do it for my soul.

So..... from what has been shown to me; My great successes involving getting in touch with my spirit and the universe (or whatever it truly is) have involved a psychedelic plant, (HBWR,MG), plant extracted DMT, the famous semi-synthetic ergoloid, and bottles of cough medicine. What do they have in common? They have all blasted me to where my staunch self would never go without something seemingly impossible. What do these molecules not have in common? Their sources. What do these two questions have in common? Nothing at all, I don't see how my subjective states of epiphany and holiness are any less vaild than other peoples that I can't experience.

Conclusion: Synthetics (sometimes) got soul, somehow. Even though you won't give them an extensive chance to find out doesn't change that up too much.

Nonetheless, this is a nice thread.

Credit is due to Teo for sprouting a first draft, but it is in fact flawed (for many reasons stated by solistus among others) and I don't think that he should be managing it in any degree because of his biased and dogmatic views on the subject. He is not tackling the issue with an open and humble mind.

He knows what he is doing when it comes to ethnobotanicals and seems to be willing. I personally appreciate these kinds of threads over the ones where he preaches ignorance on many levels. (That isn't an insult, but he obviously isn't the expert when it comes to basic facts on the RC scene/synthetics in general from what I've seen.)

Let him keep the good work up and we'll just ask for removal of the crazy stuff (Yeah, it's always there somewhere, but everyone here seems to catch it in a flash) before anything is made out of it eh?

 

[Bardeaux]

In my opinion, it would need to have a different perspective than that of Erowid. Otherwise, what's the point of making a second Erowid?

Perhaps a condensed version of established facts and observations because Erowid can sometimes be a little confusing, especially the huge vaults when trying to pinpoint specific info and also I've noticed Erowid often don't "dare" to mention dosage of certain plants/drugs.

There are links to literature and well as experience reports in addition to effects profiles of some of the plants. I wasnt purposing the Erowid links to be the end of this little project, but I figured having them there wont hurt anything.

 

[greenmeanies]

Before I argue, first I gotta say thanks for the thread. I like it. You just always say some weird shit that makes little sense to me somewhere in the midst of it all.

Are you saying an entheogen HAS to be in the form of a psychedelic plant? Smoking freebase DMT (nothing else compares) is the only thing that I believe is a true entheogen for me. It does come from a plant and I have great respect for all of them (probably not as much as you lol), but I'm not going to pretend my ticket to hyperspace and the impossible isn't just that.

quoted for truth. 'entheogen' literally means 'the god within' and has NOTHING to do with the source of the drug (if there is even a drug required for the experience. meditation, tantric sex, LSD, and ayahuasca are all entheogens when used in the correct context and an open mind.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

if anybody doesn't like my list of thinks "arbitrary" then PLEASE give me another botanical to add that isn't already on the list... I included pretty much everything.

so come on... give me another botanical (if you have any).

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

He knows what he is doing when it comes to ethnobotanicals and seems to be willing. I personally appreciate these kinds of threads over the ones where he preaches ignorance on many levels. (That isn't an insult, but he obviously isn't the expert when it comes to basic facts on the RC scene/synthetics in general from what I've seen.)

No I don't really know much of anything... EXCEPT when it comes to plants and ethnobotany, that is where I know my shit.

quoted for truth. 'entheogen' literally means 'the god within' and has NOTHING to do with the source of the drug (if there is even a drug required for the experience. meditation, tantric sex, LSD, and ayahuasca are all entheogens when used in the correct context and an open mind.

you are correct, i just like to put my little biased spin on it to piss y'all off

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

WTF did y'all do with the title?

Come on...

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

* Amanita {var. muscaria} ~ “Fly Agaric”
* Anadenanthera colubrine {var. cebil} & Anadenanthera peregrina {var. peregrina} ~ "Cebil" & “Yopo”
* Argyreia nervosa {var. nervosa} ~ "Hawaiian Baby Woodrose”
* Banisteriopsis caapi~ “Ayahuasca”
* Diplopterys cabrerana ~ "Chaliponga" or "Oco-Yagè"
* Heimia salicifolia ~ "Sinicuichi" or "Sun Opener"
* Ipomoea tricolor & Ipomoea violacea ~ “Morning Glory”
*Lophophora williamsii ~ “Peyote”
*Mimosa tenuiflora (syn. hostilis) ~ "Jurema"
*Psilocybe species & Panaeolus species ~ “'Shrooms”
*Psychotria viridis ~ “Chacruna”
*Salvia divinorum ~ "Pipiltzintzintli" or “Diviner’s Sage”
*Tabernanthe iboga ~ “Iboga”
*Trichocereus (syn. Echinopsis) bridgesii, T. pachanoi & T. peruvianus~ “San Pedro” & “Peruvian Torch”
*Turbina (syn. Rivea) corymbosa ~ “Ololiuqui”
*Virola calophylla & Virola theiodora ~ "Epena"

Good work Bardo!

If y'all really wanna make something out of this then I'm down, I'll work on descriptions for all the plants.

But y'all need to change my fucking title back and not edit my posts without asking unless they break the rules (which I'm positive my title didn't).

 

[Delsyd]

WTF did y'all do with the title?

Come on...

fixed it





edit: the title will be fixed, it was a joke, what happened to your sense of humor? And go ahead and add descriptions so we can get this thread going somewhere instead of being a list.
As for editing your posts. I only do so when you throw out insults, i remove them. No one messes with your serious posts.