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AMT Redosing & Safety

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Yo yo yiggedy, ive recently come into about 500mg or so of aMT.
Im not sure if its freebase or not but its a kind of grey/brown colour powder, looks like dirt tbh.

i had 2 wraps last night with each about 100mg or round about that in em.
dosed up what i eyeballed (yes, i know, you dont need to tell me how silly that is) to be around
40-50mg.
asked someone with experience weighing and dosing it if the amount looked about right and they said yes.
now, this is where it gets interesting..

it took two hours to properly come on, and i was very pleasantly surprised.
id say to me it was like a much more gentle, sedating kind of lsd high without the loco headspace
and with the tactile loveyness of mdma and the comfort of opiates.
the only thing i didnt like though was my temperature alternating from cold to warm every now and then.

anyway im drifting from the point here-

what i would like to know is info regarding back-to-back dosing of this chemical,
any dangerous interactions it can have with other drugs,
any precautions i should take when experimenting with aMT (apart from the obvious buy scales one)
and general information on peoples experiences with different dosages and side effects etc.

i really enjoyed this strange compound and would like to use it again in the future,
so im just trying to gather all the appropriate info i can.
i have looked on erowid and it seems the dosing can vary greatly.
the standard scale seems to be like this-

Oral AMT Dosages
Threshold 5 - 15 mg
Light 10 - 25 mg
Common 20 - 40 mg
Strong 30 - 60 mg
Heavy 60 - 80 mg

Onset : 30 - 120 minutes
Peak : 3 - 5 hours
Duration : 10 - 14 hours (higher doses seem to last longer)
Normal After Effects : 1 - 5 hours

Warning! Because AMT's effects can take over 2 hours to fully develop, a common error is to redose (add more) thinking that the initial dose was too low. This has lead to a number of very unpleasant and potentially dangerous overdose experiences. Those who have made this error recommend waiting until at least 2.5 hours after the initial dose to add more

Smoked AMT Dosages
Threshold 2 mg
Light 4 - 5 mg
Common 6 - 10 mg
Strong 10 - 20 mg

Onset : 10 seconds - 30 minutes
Duration : 8 - 12 hours


this is certainly worth some thought-
Notes:
We have received several complaints by users that our oral dosages shown are far too low. There are a number of reports of individuals taking 100-200 mg recreationally and some of these people argue that the reports of overwhelming effects felt by others at 40-80 mg are exaggerated.
It is important to keep in mind how much variation there is in experiential effects based on personal biochemistry, expectation, and other difficult to determine factors. We have received reports of overwhelming effects on as little as 40 mg and users taking as much as 400 mg (!).
We have also received several reports of severe vomiting, dissociation, dehydration, and extreme reactions with as little as 40 mg oral AMT. New users should not begin experimentation above the threshold level of any psychoactive drug and should slowly work their way up over the course of several sessions to avoid dangerously strong reactions.
People experienced in experimenting with powerful psychoactives recommend starting with very low doses and working up to check for one's personal thresholds for each compound.



it also seems to me that at dosages of 60mg+ some people experience psychotic like reactions and even blacking out and coming to flying down the highway and crashing into barriers.
so please be careful when experimenting with this and all psychoactives, its not just your life that is at risk when you do things like that.
hopefully this thread can generate some intelligent discussion on these matters.

thank you.
 
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wow, really?

nobody has ANYTHING to contribute or post?
come on guys i know theres some of you out there with experience with this chemical who could help
with this info.

theres people on BL into much more obscure drugs than aMT, so no excuses :P
 
Amazing stuff! Have done this once with 45 mg orally, added a little mxe on the tail end and it was great, Extremely euforic and energetic, amazing body high as well.

I'll be trying the same combination at a rave this weekend. Planning on starting with 30 mg and redosing with 10-15mg 4 hours later, with little mxe bumps once in a while. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
dosing two days in a row it seems some level of tolerance has arisen.

i took from 40-60mg last night and it blew my socks off. very very nice introduction to this chem.
today i took the same amount again, waited two n a half hours, felt only mild effects (havent been sober since yesterday afternoon btw) and redosed around another 40mg over 4 hours (1 redose every 2 hours).

i mean i have the body high and its slightly visual.
but theres no oomf. then again ive had like 3 hours sleep if im lucky and ive been flying for 2 days now. it does seem however that if you are basically baseline (save for still feeling a headhigh) and want to trip with aMT again the day after you need a fairly larger amount than the first dose.

i am going to wait a week before experimenting with this again and we'll see what happens. i know using an RC back to back and dosing frequent isnt smart when i dont know the long term health effects but with new drugs i usually spend a few days back to back with it, finding out the kinks n quirks and my dose reactions etc.
i will report back later with my experience from tonight and next week we'll see what stacking doses lightly does compared to taking larger doses all in one :D

in the name of science!
 
It's a triple monoamine releaser unsuitable for redosing or multi-day use in the same way MDMA isn't. It is likely dangerous to combine with anything MDMA is dangerous to combine with (MAOIs and DXM come to mind, and to a lesser extent other monoamine releasers, especially serotonin releasers (MDMA, MDAI, meth, 4-FA and likely mephedrone and 6-APB/5-APB)). If you're careful though low doses can be combined with other releasers to potentiate them, lengthen them, and smooth out the crash. Multi-day redosing is likely to result in depression, brain zaps, etc. It probably also causes neurotoxicity due to simultaneous dopamine and serotonin release (like all drugs that do this according to one popular theoretical mechanism of neurotoxicity). The reason you don't feel as much when redosing the day after is because your monoamines are depleted, not because of tolerance. Serotonin won't be back totally to normal for a month. This info and more is available in the big and dandy aMT thread (no excuses, heh).
 
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:P
thank you. i am aware in soviet russia it was an antidepressant in the 60s.
im once again pretty much as fucked as i was last night but the visual aspect isnt as strong this time round.
how do you think ill be feeling in a few days? ive also had about 4, 5 hours sleep if im lucky in the past 2 days.
i think ill save further experimentation for another time in that case.

harm reduction at work.
 
Russia used it a long time ago, but their version of the FDA wasn't exactly up to par then, nor was ours, so its history shouldn't be any indication of safety. I haven't noticed much depression with aMT in the days after, though I typically don't with any releasers I've used, just brain zaps (though I don't redose releasers either). Others haven't noticed as many negative symptoms as with MDMA after single uses of either MDMA or aMT, though theoretically that could owe to MDMA's metabolite alpha-methyldopamine causing negative symptoms in addition to those symptoms that owe solely to monoamine depletion. Xorkoth has used aMT up to 7 days in a row and paid for it dearly, though. You'll probably be OK.

Also, check my edit of my last post. I added a few things after you posted.
 
oh i know its no indication of safety, i just thought it was pretty funny that this was an antidepressant for sad Russkis in the 60s.
 
Cant't wait!. I expecting this any day soon.Hope before thu weekendd!!!
Together with some MXE ..
I hear it"s a Nice comboo??
Me likeee Mxe Alot!!!..=D=D=D
I hope Amt Is also Great!
 
Cant't wait!. I expecting this any day soon.Hope before thu weekendd!!!
Together with some MXE ..
I hear it"s a Nice comboo??
Me likeee Mxe Alot!!!..=D=D=D
I hope Amt Is also Great!

Yeah it's a great combo, just start real slow with the mxe, you'll have plenty of time to redose anyways ;)
 
Yeahhhh I know..Beause of the long durationn of Amt8o8o
Done alot of Mxe and K before.The last dose of mxe I did was 2 weeks ago and 100 mg didn"t do it anymore:( ,.. so you think litle bumps
of Mxe or some undrr the tung..Is advised??And in the range
of 25 to 50 mg??Or lower?
 
Well it looks like you have some tolerance so 25mg to start with should be alright. I prefer sublingual as an ROA but at a party or when you don't feel like being quiet for 15 minutes insufflation is fine.
You can take this pretty far I think, it's all a question of how comfortable you are in letting go..
Veel plezier! ;)
 
It's so interesting to see aMT come back on the market. I'd taken it at varying dosages ten years ago (wow, it really has been that long). Neat to see it available to another generation.

For whatever it's worth, I found 50 mg to be quite sufficient. I never pushed it past 60. I hated the body-load on this chemical, but found that weed completely alleviated it and made the whole experience completely bonkers in a way that was sometimes unmanageable, involving nearly incomprehensible levels of time-dilation. Felt like years were passing every few seconds.

Welp. Enjoy. Be safe. Remember that this stuff has got some legs.
 
First of all I haven't tried AMT yet, but will sooner or later.

I have noticed that the descriptions of the degree of psychical side effects seem to vary greatly.
Could this be related to the MAOI-properties in a way, that going on a MAOI diet a few days prior could eliminate it?
 
First of all I haven't tried AMT yet, but will sooner or later.

I have noticed that the descriptions of the degree of psychical side effects seem to vary greatly.
Could this be related to the MAOI-properties in a way, that going on a MAOI diet a few days prior could eliminate it?

Not likely.

As a datapoint, back a decade ago when my friends and I were using this compound, we were cautious and did follow an MAOI-diet. Turned out that this probably wasn't necessary... And shamefully, I can't find a reference. I believe most people concluded that any MAOI action was probably mild, and quite possibly on par with the MAOI action one would expect from taking any substance metabolized by MAO.

Someone correct me on this.
 
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