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AMT Redosing & Safety

"It's so interesting to see aMT come back on the market. I'd taken it at varying dosages ten years ago (wow, it really has been that long). Neat to see it available to another generation."

I know right! I first did AMT back in 96'! It's always had a special place in my heart, have fun!
 
something that may be worth noting is that after tripping 2 days in a row (high for 3 days),
now it is thursday (last took some on tuesday at around 10pm ish i think),
i have noticed my mood fluctuate from happy to sad to complacent to lonely to so-so to normal.

seems that multiple day redosing as Psoodonym said have the potential to cause mild depression/mood swings in the days after.
does anybody know which releases more Monoamines? MDMA or aMT?
to me, aMT felt like it had more "OOMF" to it.

I havent really had this with back to back mdma dosing before.
 
it is now 4/5 days since my first dose of aMT.
and 3/4 days since my redose.
i have noticed my mood has fluctuated the past few days but has been getting better.

now, i know this is not the smartest thing -
AND I MUST STRESS TO ANYONE READING THIS- DO NOT TRY THIS FOR YOURSELF-

but i just dropped another wrap/bomb with roughly the same dose as day 1.
as an experiment i want to see what tolerance will be like.
now i know my serotonin levels wont be anywhere near they were last week before i met aMT,
but this is purely because i want to find out about tolerance and redosing etc,
as well as it being saturday night and i have fuck all to do.

i will report back in a few hours with my results.

anyone got any idea of what i can expect?
(im aware my mood tomorrow will probably be low)

edit-
it is now an hour and a half since ingesting it and i am starting to come up mildly.
part of me is thinking this wasnt such a good idea seeing as its near midnight and ive been up since 6am doing manual labour til 4pm. :\

once again do not be this reckless in your own experiments.
 
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Just don't abuse it. Dosing 2, 3 days in a row, IMO, is abusing it. It's not marijuana. It's a psychedelic tryptamine. It's a wonderful compound until y'all start binging on it, then all the negative effects come to light. Fuck, i mean this compound has been around for SO long.
 
it is partly for experimentation that i am redosing. it appears that tolerance builds a fair amount with redosing
but i imagine it has more to do with monoamine levels than actual tolerance to the chemical.

once again this is silly to do. kinda tired as fuck and a bit like "why did i have to go and do that".
i am going to be tired as FUCK tomorrow.
 
Interesting experiment Sega. I'd personally switch to a drug of another class if I absolutely felt the need to take something euphoric (like a dissociative, opiate, or GHB), because not doing so in such a small time frame risks straining the shit of your poor serotonin system, but I hope your curiosity gets satisfied in any case.
Sega420 said:
seems that multiple day redosing as Psoodonym said have the potential to cause mild depression/mood swings in the days after.
does anybody know which releases more Monoamines? MDMA or aMT?
to me, aMT felt like it had more "OOMF" to it.
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It's hard to say. The only paper I've seen where they are directly compared is this one. But that's with rat synaptosomes submerged in a dish with the drug solutions for five or 30 minutes, not human neurons in vivo for hours on end. Under these conditions though it looks like aMT is about on par with MDMA for dopamine release (and much stronger than it for re-uptake inhibition), and also stronger than it for serotonin release. However, the same holds true for 4-FA, and both it and aMT are typically held by users to have milder effects than MDMA. User reports are evidence there's probably other factors involved when we're talking about how the drugs function in the human body.

To me, with regard to the sensations I attribute to monoamine release at a typical dose, aMT feels like a time-released form of MDMA. I get a stronger euphoric peak from MDMA, but it lasts shorter and comes with a crash that aMT doesn't have. Once I combined aMT (14 mg intramuscular) with 4-FA (80 mg rectal) and it felt stronger than any MDMA dose I've ever taken. The combo felt like more than the sum of its parts. I wouldn't attempt something that strong more than "once a season" (Ann Shulgin's reported dosing philosophy with regard to serotonin releasers).
 
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i definitely agree about the description of it being like a "time release" MDMA.
much more of a psychedelic sedating feel to it.

its not that i feel the need for euphoric drug use, in fact its not really my thing.
psychedelics however, im a bit of a whore for them.
it does feel a bit like my brain is trying to push out the feel good a wee bit rather than it just being a
BOOM- Fwoooooooosh! flood of serotonin etc that i had on day 1.

i suspect this could end with me with a pretty decent comedown :\
are there any safety tips when dosing this close together with such MOA releasers i should be aware of?
i have water, a banana, bread, some small tacos, and a cellphone right next to me should i need it.

now when you say "straining the shit out of your poor serotonin system" what did you mean exactly?
 
I don't have any tips for you really other than keep up your blood sugar and stay hydrated. Magnesium is good for jaw clenching.

With regard to your serotonin system read the "serotonergic changes" section of the MDMA wiki page. Not all of that is necessarily coming into play with MDMA and recreational doses in humans of course, let alone with aMT -- we're no strangers to BLers impassioned criticisms of research that makes MDMA look bad -- but it's worth being aware that repeated dosing is typically how the worst effects manifest themselves in these studies. I've personally experienced mild brain zaps from single uses of aMT, and moderate ones after using it twice in a week.
 
psoodonym, you have been incredibly helpful and informative.
i think i shall do a LOT more reading in future before abusing a new drug.
and yes, i am aware this is over-use. as i said though i wanted to know what tolerance buildup was like with this.

now i know.
kinda wish i had just left it at day1 and not redosed 2 more times now.
oh well. gonna be exercising and eating well in the next few weeks some more.
i dont want to spiral into a depression. nor do i want to experience any of the more negative effects.

i see what you mean about the amounts being dosed and the frequency in those studies,
but its still enough to make me think twice in future.
i just hope i havent done my beloved Sarah-Tonin any long term damage :\
 
I would expect that AMT is sort of a rage in at least the UK and that people there would have a thing or two to say about dosing it in successive days.

Hopefully you will come back here to report on your comedown, but I think that tolerance was to be expected and also that you will get a crash the longer you will keep this up, if only for the sleep deprivation! I think there was research done on MDMA that points to the sleep deprivation / fucking up of your rhythm and also the anorexia (having no hunger) as being big factors for a comedown. Now on AMT you might be able to eat a bit better than on MDMA but still the longer you would binge the worse the consequences would be - maybe not as bad as with meth or god knows what but still.

The amount of comedown would be a little hard to quantify perhaps. I think single use of AMT is less likely to produce a comedown than an MDMA experience - both of medium intensity... I think, I can't exactly back this up.

Feels like this thread should be called AMT Redosing & Safety. :)
 
No it is not, amitriptyline (notice the different spelling) is a tricyclic antidepressant as you might know.
Alpha-methyl-tryptamine or AMT (aMT) is an empathogenic psychedelic.

The full name in the thread title may be more misleading than clarifying. :)

Changed it.
 
no. as the title states. alpha-methyltryptamine. a COMPLETELY different thing.

as for the comedown and eating, i ate some cereal and a bit of fruit, stayed hydrated and had some biscuits.
comedown is basically non existant, i still feel a wee wee bit of afterglow but thats it.
got a few hours sleep toward the end (had been smoking a fair few pipes of green which helped),
woke up still a bit fucked up, smoked some pipes then went out for a day with the fam at pizza hut and the arcade.
had a brilliant day but at the start i was a bit sluggish. once i got out into the fresh air i was absolutely fine though.

i suspect over the next week or few weeks my mood will go from low to normal to low to normal etc.
who knows. however my wee experiment is completed and i am satisfied with my findings.

-for redosing the day after, about double, slightly over, is needed to feel the same level of effects.
-dosing two days in a row results in a diminished experience (no magic feeling to it), but its still pretty strong.
-3rd time dosing in less than a week and you can take the same amount as day 1 but it feels like your brain is having to force out the feelgood chemicals, sort of like wringing a cloth to get all the water out.
-with multiple day dosing, when back to baseline, mild depression MAY set in and moods fluctuate every so often.
-multivitamins taken every 4 hours or so and plenty of water (normal amount, dont go overboard) and fruit (bananas, pomegranate juice, pears, apples) help with the after effects (or seem to at least)
-cannabis is your best friend when dosing aMT to cancel out nausea. felt like i was going to puke on the comeup but smoked a few pipes and was fine.

all in all, tolerance does seem to build, but seems to go back down if you leave it a few days between doses (however i will not be doing multiple day redosings with this chem again.),
but it is a substantially diminished experience.

reminder- do not be this reckless at home with your own "research".
i did this without scales, which you should never do, let alone do multiple redosings in less than a weeks time.

hopefully this info will be of help to others who consider doing something like this.
also those links Psoodonym provided are a good read.

edit- it is now monday (3rd dose was at 10pm on saturday) and i feel fine.
no comedown feeling. no sluggishness, no feeling shitty.
 
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