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AMT,Methoxetamine and Tramadol

Giddalaus

Giddalaus

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I Woke up this morning on my couch, guess I was still fairly inebreated. Last night i plugged about 120mg mxe, 600mg tramadol and what i guesstimate to have been 10-20mg of AMT as well as popping two different antihistamines. Soon as I woke up I mixed another 400mg tramadol, 100 methoxetamine and maybe 20-30mg amt. I woke up again about an hour ago and I feel kinda cheated The AMT is doing nothing at all, no musical enhancement, certainly dpesn't keep me awake wtf is going on? Anyone have any ideas

Edit: Forgot to mention I also ate 15mg Flubromazepam early in the day yesterday, and 3mg Etizolam yesterday night.
Edit 2: Is AMT even active administered rectally, it didn't seem to dissolce in the water at all?
 
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The benzodiazepines and thienodiazepines would contribute to blunt effects. AMT should almost definitely be active rectally though it is probably much better absorbed as the HCl salt.

Please do not combine any of AMT, MXE and tramadol. None of that is safe, you could easily get seizures, hypertensive crisis or serotonin storm.

Tramadol can produce seizures on its own and has a track record of not playing nice when combined. MXE also appears more complex in action than ketamine and we have a MXE combo thread that lists how safe combo's appear to be from gathered reports.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/641005-Methoxetamine-Subthread-Combinations-2nd-experiment"

Do some research before recklessly combining drugs never mind why they don't work to your satisfaction when they interact...
 
Couldn't MXE's NMDA antagonism in theory decrease the likelihood of seizures? Even if it did, the risk of serotonin toxicity from combining AMT & tramadol makes it potentially dangerous. 600mg of tramadol on it's own is a lot. Stacking AMT & MXE on top is asking for trouble. Hell, you're probably lucky that the AMT wasn't well absorbed. Serotonin toxicity is not only dangerous but is extremely uncomfortable and scary (not to mention sometimes fatal.)
 
^ I highly doubt it, MXE by itself has been known to cause seizures in a few people as well. The benzos were probably the only think keeping him from blacking out on the floor, peeing himself while foaming at the mouth.


OP you are EXTREMELY lucky you did not have to go to the hospital. Serotonin Syndrome, if left untreated, can and has killed MANY people before. Thank whoever it is you pray to that you just didn't get high enough, someone is looking out for you and it's obviously not yourself.
 
Actually I've been combining MXE and tramadol for weeks with wonderfull results. No negative side effect noticed except a slight headache that usually only lasts for 30 secs. I'm quitting MXE CT right now, but I have other stuff to remove any with drawal symptoms too. No dissociatives of any kind though.
 
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I thought of serotonin syndrome, and OP I have no idea what you were expecting. You took enough downers to go to sleep, so its like saying drinking a little coffee didn't feel like anything. You sound like you just blacked out.
 
I was in the very cinfused state you sometimes get in if you overdo what you think would be a good recreational dose of MXE.. I do ofc know that you cant take 30mg of AMT AND 1.2 grams of Methylone in one night. I don't even remember getting the Methylone, that was stashed away. The AMT was plugged, together with about 50mg of MXE IIRC.

It was not untill hours after the AMT&MXE combo, after like 3 or 4 redoses of MXE Esscalating every time untill i did a 100-130 dose of MXE. I felt no effect from the AMT yet. Was pretty shortly after that I think that I decided to Hole with a 700mg MXE dose. After that I do not remember anything untill I woke up 22 hours later. Well, I dont know if I actually still even remembered that I'd taken AMT any more at this time. I do remember worrying about how they would interact, but just blew it off. I do have suicidal tendencies though, have totally fucked myself up for years to come im sure... :(

I really shold be more active on BL and try to read all of the megathreads of all the substances that I use at least. I have actually been doing that for a few weeks already, but I always get bored after only an hour or so. Except Yesterday when I spent most of the day lurking around here. :) I do remember I had to shit right after I plugged it also now like max 2-3 minutes, I barely made it to the bathroom before squirting a lot of some very watery shit, and drugs presumably. Most of both substances was expelled I think, I did still have very strong MXE effects thoughs, so probably just enough of the AMT was absorbed to potentiate the AMT. Someone already mentioned a Guardian Angel, Turns out he works by diarhhea, lol.

I have already quit MXE though CT, done this many times and it's very manageable for me. Also made myself a tapering paln for tramadol at this threadI will only quit MXE, and Tradol taper right now then a month and start tapering the Etiz too

Etizolamhttp://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/701946-Taper-Advice-for-MXE-Tramadol-Etizolam
 
sounds like the psychedelic version of heroin+benzos+alc. suicidal indeed...
sadly I can totally see the appeal of the combo. reminds me of times when I abused alc, zolpidem, weed and n2o. you don't do it because it's good but because it's terrible and destructive. but your approach is much more severe...
are you in some kind of therapy?
 
I am in waiting for therapy, have been in therapy before, an rehab, and jail, jailtime was a little over 11 years ago and I've not done anyting really criminal since i was 23, am 35 now.... and yes I have indeed tried to kill myself multiple times, last time april this year.
 
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At this dose, tramadol prevents AMT from binding to serotonin and norepinephrine transporters, since it binds more strongly. Thus it "overpowers" AMT. At the same time, benzodiazepines mute any psychedelic effects. Despite this, AMTs weak MAOI activity makes this combo extremely dangerous!
 
I' was aware of the weak MAOI activity, when I bought I didn't use hardly anything. I planned to forego all drugs and alcohol for 14 days before using AMT actually at that time, coffee the last two days :P

So yeah... I'll be quitting MXE for a while, at least a year. I already have 5 days of going CT off it. Feeling no speicial discomfort I would attribute to MXE itself. Although I am definetely not at full capacity yet. Is getting better though. Day by Day. SSDD as they say :P

Edit: Is it really called cold turkey even if you continue to use other stuff, but only things that do not affect thr NMDA receptors?
 
After thinking anout this a while and was reminded again of the MAOI activity, which has always been my primary concern before when considering doing AMT. I've rejected using it at least 10 times because I'd used something like MXE or alcohol in the past week.

I'm also convinced now that what I did was actually a suicide attempt, although I cannot remember anything before the methylone. The methylone was used whie I was blacked out, but I must still have known, on some level.

Considering that it's amazing how relatively wel I'm feelingl, and how much faster I've revored than after a heavy MDMA binge.
 
atara said:
At this dose, tramadol prevents AMT from binding to serotonin and norepinephrine transporters, since it binds more strongly. Thus it "overpowers" AMT. At the same time, benzodiazepines mute any psychedelic effects. Despite this, AMTs weak MAOI activity makes this combo extremely dangerous!
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It prably also helped that the powder form of the AMT didn't seem to dissolve nearly at all in water, The water was already prepared with 50mg of MXE though, Could that have been it?
 
It sounds like you have AMT freebase which may very well have saved your life. If you had AMT HCl and it went into solution and was absorbed through the rectum there is no telling what could have happened.

Please be more cautious in the future. Trust me, if you're suicidal, AMT and tramadol-induced serotonin syndrome isn't the way to go. Its a great combination to cause serious damage though. Seriously, nothing in life is worth suicide but trying to kill yourself with drugs that cause horrible symptoms before death would be even worse.

That said, AMT on its own is quite an amazing chemical. It may well help you to not want to kill yourself anymore. Its actually quite therapeutic when used properly.

If you want your AMT to be able to be plugged, add in vinegar by the drop to your powder as it sits in the water and stir it a bit. It should turn it into the acetate salt and allow it to go into solution.
 
From: Magikat777
Please be more cautious in the future. Trust me, if you're suicidal, AMT and tramadol-induced serotonin syndrome isn't the way to go. Its a great combination to cause serious damage though. Seriously, nothing in life is worth suicide but trying to kill yourself with drugs that cause horrible symptoms before death would be even worse.
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That's the problem, I've done an 18 day binge of exstacy and speed when I when I was 20. Havent been the same since, and I keep doing it to myself too, In April this year. I drank a bottle of Whiskey, then dropped 90-100mg of 4-AcO-DMT. Totally freaked, at first tt was just manic laughter. Then I started breaking shit, like my wireless keyboard, rellally smashing iit to pieces against the table. Then I destroed some other of my own stuff, then I broke into the neighbours appartment and broke some of his shit... and stole a kitchen knife.

Then I went upstairs took 34x 200mn Quetiapin, 100mg of Etizolam and i think had some Truxal too, then I laid down on my couch and waited to die. I was out pretty much the second my head hit the cushiom i think. Woke up 2.5 days later, having pissed myself ofc, seemeed like liters of it.... I also had this weird metallic/chemical smell that would come ang go, They sometimes lasted almost the whole day. That went on for about 3 weeks. I quit all my drug use for about 4 weeks after that, even alcohol. I did seem to have recovered from that again as I worked steadily throughout august,september,oktober.

Now, after this more recent binge, and my already tapering the tramadol doses I'm actually only feeling slightly fatigued. Am currently taking 400mgx2 a day of trams and maybe 8-10mg Etizolam taken with the trams, but also before i do any trams for my anxiety, have do at least0,5 mg to go out to do anything...
 
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From Magikkat777
"That said, AMT on its own is quite an amazing chemical. It may well help you to not want to kill yourself anymore. Its actually quite therapeutic when used properly."


How long would you advise me to have to be off the trams to try it though? I just checked my stashbox too, seems like I only have what appears to be 4-7mg of AMT, it's about 6mg thats the standard dose isn't it?
 
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