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gman2008

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Hi just got a hold of 2 grams of AMT and 2 bottles of codeine linctus, now my question is.........

1. Is it a safe combo

2. Are they ok to do at the same time or should i save the codeine to sleep/comedown?

3. Its my first time doing AMT gonna dose around 30-40mg......how much codeine is safe?

thanksssss
 
For all it's worth I've always done AMT in combination with kratom, I honestly don't think I could handle the horrid body load without some sort of opiod, also helps to prevent the shits. I'd say they're safe to mix.
 
I've used the two together many times and it's a safe combo afaik. Obviously you need to stay within your limits with codeine as you would at any other time but I've not noticed any potentiation or anything. How much codeine is safe? As I said, whatever dose you would normally use.

Some people like to combine them, some prefer to save the codeine far the tail end of the trip. I like both but you'll probably appreciate it more on the tail end when the body can be kinda worn out, sore and achey - especially if you've been doing anything energetic (dancing, going on long, romantic walks on the beach or whatever - both fine tripping activities). aMT is a long-acting drug and can easily last 12 hours or more so it can be quite draining physically.

Personally I don't get anything like an unpleasant bodyload - quite the opposite, in fact - but, as with most drugs, it varies from person to person. Getting the squits is a common side-effect of aMT - especially in the early stages - and codeine should help to prevent that too.
 
Thanks for the info guys much appreciated ........will save for the tail end as i normally cant sleep with substances.
 
personally I'd have the codeine early on if you're not going the rectal route for amt
 
Pros (in the case of aMT specifically) are reduced likelihood of gut issues and perhaps a somewhat shorter come-up time. Stomach issues are the most common side-effect from aMT and can be quite unpleasant and lingering in some cases which is obviously not so great - who wants to spend half their trip running back and forth to the toilet with stomach cramps? Personally, I don't get any real problems in that area usually - not everybody does - but many do and plugging is generally thought to reduce or even eliminate GI distress and discomfort.

Some people report a reduced come-up time when they go the plugged route with aMT. Personally, I've not noticed a huge difference but also haven't been paying close attention. aMT takes a loooooooong time to kick in no matter how you take it. At least an hour and usually more like two or three. This catches some people out who are unfamiliar with the stuff as it's really quite unusual. Don't be tempted to redose early on thinking little or nothing is happening because it will be, it just takes a while to get going is all. Once it does get going it lasts a long time too - at least 12h usually and often longer.

With aMT, I personally don't find enough useful difference between plugging and oral dosing to bother with the former very often, but other aMT users swear by it. The benefits of plugging are many and varied, but not so much for aMT in my opinion.
 
AMT has like 3 hours of uncomfortable come-up orally, up the jacksie it kicks in much faster, and with far less GI discomfort. I wouldn't choose to take opioids before tripping, take 'em on the tail end. Codeine is so weak as to be essentially worthless, IMO, but you might get something from it. AMT is actually one of the few drugs I do think is worth the effort of plugging. YMMV!
 
Shambles said:
Pros (in the case of aMT specifically) are reduced likelihood of gut issues and perhaps a somewhat shorter come-up time. Stomach issues are the most common side-effect from aMT and can be quite unpleasant and lingering in some cases which is obviously not so great - who wants to spend half their trip running back and forth to the toilet with stomach cramps? Personally, I don't get any real problems in that area usually - not everybody does - but many do and plugging is generally thought to reduce or even eliminate GI distress and discomfort.

Some people report a reduced come-up time when they go the plugged route with aMT. Personally, I've not noticed a huge difference but also haven't been paying close attention. aMT takes a loooooooong time to kick in no matter how you take it. At least an hour and usually more like two or three. This catches some people out who are unfamiliar with the stuff as it's really quite unusual. Don't be tempted to redose early on thinking little or nothing is happening because it will be, it just takes a while to get going is all. Once it does get going it lasts a long time too - at least 12h usually and often longer.

With aMT, I personally don't find enough useful difference between plugging and oral dosing to bother with the former very often, but other aMT users swear by it. The benefits of plugging are many and varied, but not so much for aMT in my opinion.
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oh ok might just go for the mouth route first then and see how it goes......i have 2 grams of the stuff for myself so if i have any stomach problems might try the no entry route next time lol

Now another problem is i dont have scales was planing on finding a 30mg capsule and filling it.....do you reckon this will be accurate or should i wait till i can find some scales?
 
No! There's no such thing as a 30mg capsule. Milligrams measure mass, not volume. 30mg of one drug can take up many times as much space as that of another drug. You can afford drugs, you can afford a scale.
 
oh ok i didn't know that feel kind of dopey now seeing as i have 15+ years of experience in drug taking 8( thanks for the info will hunt down some scales

babylonboy said:
No! There's no such thing as a 30mg capsule. Milligrams measure mass, not volume. 30mg of one drug can take up many times as much space as that of another drug. You can afford drugs, you can afford a scale.
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^They don't even need to be scales capable of weighing to 0.01 or 0.001 of a gram, you can weigh a larger amount (say 1 or 2 grams) on a cheap 1-point scale (just a standard weed scale), then dissolve it in a known quantity of liquid (vodka), and then you can use an oral syringe or a pipette to measure doses accurately.
 
Scales are absolutely essential for dosing drugs like aMT. They are widely available online from any number of sources. I usually get mine from eBay as they are incredibly cheap there (starting from around £10-15) but they take at least a week to arrive usually. Some vendors sell scales and they would likely arrive sooner. Either way, scales are absolutely necessary - you simply cannot use RCs without them. aMT is more forgiving than many drugs that come under the broad 'Research Chemical' name, but it still needs to be weighed properly. A few mg out either side won't result in an overdose but it could result in an uncomfortably intense trip or no trip at all and just a gyppy tum. It's not purely the safety aspect that makes RCs essential, it's also being able to get the best experience each time. No self-respecting drug-user should be without a set of 0.001mg scales. Worth their weight in gold, so they are.
 
Shambles said:
Scales are absolutely essential for dosing drugs like aMT. They are widely available online from any number of sources. I usually get mine from eBay as they are incredibly cheap there (starting from around £10-15) but they take at least a week to arrive usually. Some vendors sell scales and they would likely arrive sooner. Either way, scales are absolutely necessary - you simply cannot use RCs without them. aMT is more forgiving than many drugs that come under the broad 'Research Chemical' name, but it still needs to be weighed properly. A few mg out either side won't result in an overdose but it could result in an uncomfortably intense trip or no trip at all and just a gyppy tum. It's not purely the safety aspect that makes RCs essential, it's also being able to get the best experience each time. No self-respecting drug-user should be without a set of 0.001mg scales. Worth their weight in gold, so they are.
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I don't usually mess around with rc so never really needed scales mate.....people keep raving on about amt so i thought i would give it a try. I aint in no means of a hurry so waiting aint a problem but would 10/15 pound scales be accurate?
 
babylonboy said:
^They don't even need to be scales capable of weighing to 0.01 or 0.001 of a gram, you can weigh a larger amount (say 1 or 2 grams) on a cheap 1-point scale (just a standard weed scale), then dissolve it in a known quantity of liquid (vodka), and then you can use an oral syringe or a pipette to measure doses accurately.
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thanks for the info
 
gman2008 said:
I don't usually mess around with rc so never really needed scales mate.....people keep raving on about amt so i thought i would give it a try. I aint in no means of a hurry so waiting aint a problem but would 10/15 pound scales be accurate?
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They should be accurate enough for most purposes. For anything that requires truly extreme caution with dosing (anything with a single digit mg dose or anything at all dosed in ug rather than mg) it's necessary to switch to liquid/volumetric measurement which BabylonBoy briefly outlined up there. You actually reminded me that I need a new set of scales so just ordered some myself: £10.99 inc p&p. If money is not a problem then by all means spend a couple thousand on a set of lab-grade scales but, unfortunately, that's a bit beyond the reach of the average drug user.

As for RCs, aMT isn't really an RC in my book. It was a prescription antidepressant in Russia until the early 80s and was used extensively in various medical test situations back in the 50s/60s (Ken Kesey wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest based on his experiences as an aMT test subject when he was in a mental institution in the 50s for extreme depression, he called it "The Rolls-Royce of Psychedelics" which is quite the recommendation from the Merry Prankster himself =D). The term 'RC' is very loose and nebulous - bordering on meaningless almost - but is generally used to denote any drug that isn't widely available on "The Street" - especially if its name looks like somebody spilled a tin of alphabetti-spaghetti and decided it'd make a good name for a drug.
 
I found some for 7.98 including postage i pmed you =D

From the sound of it i am really going to enjoy amt =D

Shambles said:
They should be accurate enough for most purposes. For anything that requires truly extreme caution with dosing (anything with a single digit mg dose or anything at all dosed in ug rather than mg) it's necessary to switch to liquid/volumetric measurement which BabylonBoy briefly outlined up there. You actually reminded me that I need a new set of scales so just ordered some myself: £10.99 inc p&p. If money is not a problem then by all means spend a couple thousand on a set of lab-grade scales but, unfortunately, that's a bit beyond the reach of the average drug user.

As for RCs, aMT isn't really an RC in my book. It was a prescription antidepressant in Russia until the early 80s and was used extensively in various medical test situations back in the 50s/60s (Ken Kesey wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest based on his experiences as an aMT test subject when he was in a mental institution in the 50s for extreme depression, he called it "The Rolls-Royce of Psychedelics" which is quite the recommendation from the Merry Prankster himself =D). The term 'RC' is very loose and nebulous - bordering on meaningless almost - but is generally used to denote any drug that isn't widely available on "The Street" - especially if its name looks like somebody spilled a tin of alphabetti-spaghetti and decided it'd make a good name for a drug.
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AMT is tremendous. One of the best. If you like MDMA, and you like psychedelics... well. You're in for a treat.
 
babylonboy said:
AMT is tremendous. One of the best. If you like MDMA, and you like psychedelics... well. You're in for a treat.
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I use to to adore mdma till i lost the magic after stupid amounts of abuse....don't do mdma anymore. haven't done many psychedelics bit of lsd and i used to love mda when i could get it. I enjoyed both the mdma an the lsd so am pretty sure i will mate =D
 
Scale Thread

Liquid Measurement Thread

Those should help you in your tentative first foray into accurate dosing. Some other tips- scales usually work better when you're not weighing tiny amounts close to zero weight, so perhaps add a coin or something. Don't gradually add powder, weigh an amount, and if it's not right, remove the sample, add/remove as appropriate, and then weigh again, repeating until you have the right dose. I find it easiest to weigh a dose directly into the dosing unit (paper/capsule etc). Be patient, make sure it's level, don't use the tare function (I don't have a good reason for that one, I just don't trust it, and neither do other people I've spoken to, just a gut feeling)... I think that's it. Enjoy!
 
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