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amphetamnine vs meth

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what is "strongest"
amphetamine or meth?
im curious cause ive never tested meth. we dont have meth in sweden.. someone might take in some meth for own use, but it isnt a drug sold by dealers. i think the countries around sweden also only have amphetamine...
 
Meth is also more selective in its effects, so you can get higher off it with less side effects than you could off amphetamine.
 
Originally posted by zorn:
Meth is also more selective in its effects, so you can get higher off it with less side effects than you could off amphetamine.
Could someone explain this in more detail? Higher as longer in effect or how long the user is "wired?" "Less side effects" meaning? These are serious questions not sarcasm.
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Both zorn and PhreeX are correct.
What zorn means (if I may take the liberty of clarifying for him ;) ) is that if you take a big dose of meth, you will experience more euphoria, more energy, more of all the good stuff, than you would if you took a big dose of amph. Also, with a big dose of meth, you don't get that jittery, the comedown isn't that bad, you don't get a headache, etc but you might very well get all those side effects from amph.
Another way to look at it would be ghb vs alcohol. Both fuck you up in a similar way, but g is funner than alcohol, and it doesnt' leave you feeling as shitty the next morning. Meth is to amphetamine what g is to alcohol, in this sense.
 
I view it as a continuum of stimulants, eg caffeine->ephedrine->methylphenidate->amphetamine->meth. They all have roughly the same type of effects, but the better ones are more selective; you get more high (euphoric, speedy) with less of the unwanted jitteriness, high blood pressure, fast heart rate, etc. Same sort of continuum with opioids; codeine works, but you can't get very euphoric before the itchiness/nausea side effects become too much to handle. Course there are some qualitative diffs, but I find this a useful way to think about things anyways... jogs well with the concept of receptor affinities too.
As far as duration, it's also my experience that a meth high lasts longer than an equally strong amphetamine (Adderall) high.
-Zorn
 
I have found personally meth to be more euphoric but much less of something to be used towards a productive goal than dexedrine. I have found 5-10mg of dexedrine gets me plenty wired for the ultimate productive day, when eating 20mg of meth made me stuck in a chair very euphoricly playing around online or lying in bed sweating. Smoking meth makes it 100% worthless for getting thinking work done.. because you spend 3 hours too spun to work and 3 hours distracted by coming down and a jawache. The euphoria from meth feels very social and the euphoria from amphetamine is very antisocial. Both are very strong euphorias in even small amounts. I also read on a psychobabble BB that for theraputic purposes 25mg desoxyn (meth) = 20mg dexadrine.
 
wow, 25 mg desoxyn=20 mg dexedrine? that cant be right, can it? I rememver phreex saying that desoxyn wasnt that potent, but i dont think the comparison of meth to d-amp is correct....
i love and highly respect d-amp though
 
Dexedrine and desoxyn are different. Desoxyn is the real shit. Meaning it's Methamphetamine.
Adderall is dextroamphetamine and amphetamine combined. Dexedrine is dextroamphetamine. Now go back and refer to zorn and fairnymph's posts on the difference's. Using zorn's above scale you could place it at the top of the amphetamine's if you so desire, but it's still not methamphetamine.
 
Even though they are sturcturally quite similar, it is kind of an apple/oranges comparison. Meth has greater CNS activity due to the methyl group (translating into better euphoria) than d-amphet (Dexedrine) while Dexedrine has the most prominent PNS (Peripheral Nervous System) activity. The peripheral nervous system as its name implies is that part that lies outside the brain. Any dopamine/epinephrine/norepinephrine released outside the brain has no euphoric effects but just causes annoying stimulant effects like a hand tremor and twichting and all that nice stuff. Thats why potency comparisons are misleading (and how could any clinical trials compare potency, its not like opiates where they can index pain relief). So what this means is that at similar doses, meth will almost always be more euphoric than dexedrine and will have less side effects.
 
zorn -- Hello. :)
who me? -- Of COURSE 20 mg of meth will be more fun than productive....if you took 20 mg of dexedrine you might have the same effect! (though iI can study just fine on 30-40 mg of dexedrine of meth, with 40 minute break for euphoria-time). Try taking 5-10 mg of meth like you would of dexedrine, and you will find yourself to be plenty productive.
Also, it's very obvious that snorting/smoking/injecting a stimulant is not gonna help you study. You need the smooth long lasting effects of orally consuming your stimulants.
 
Meth isn't always neccessarily more euphoric than Adderall. I have done a decent amount of both, glass from different sources, and although glass gets me spun more, and is more intense, all around I like the adderall a lot better. It just seems like more 'fun' than the meth. I know of a couple other people who share this opinion with me. Still, most meth heads cannot handle it when I tell them I would prefer little blue Adderall to their street glass. The Adderall also helps me concentrate way more the meth - work becomes effortless. It's cheaper too - so before dismissing either chemical, try them both, and decide for yourself.
 
why do you only have meth in US, and we in scandinavia + the other countries around europe that i know of... only have amphetamine??! we dont have meth at all in sweden
 
That explains why my speed/meth experience is different everytime...I live in Australia and basically from what I heard from experienced users that here meth and speed is the same thing...I think the first few times what I did was meth: clean comedown, productive and motivated, socialable and talkative...then the last time I think what I did was amphetamnines...it was a hellish nightmare, I was paraniod and spun out and unable to do much but sit there and clasp my hands together, and when the comedown came I thought I had died and went to hell, it was so miserable I actually tried to hang myself from the bed railing...the last experience made me lay off any sort of amphetamnies for good. The other thing is you can't trust when the dealer say it's good meth, it might be crank or something worse. But yea, meth is the way to go. Thanks forthe information everyone.
 
I think what I did was amphetamnines...it was a hellish nightmare
This would not have happened from a reasonable dose of aphetamines/dextroamphetamines. Probably an overdose, a different substance, or something like that. For the uninformed, no, (single use) speed comedowns do not get so bad you feel like hanging yourself, unless you are generally depressed at the time!
I would just like to add my personal view. I have tried ritalin, dexies, and meth. Each substance was markedly different than the others. Surprisingly, ritalin gave me the strongest initial rush. Dexies gave me the best somatic (bodily) feelings, and meth gave me the best mood lift. However, I do not like ritalin because of the headache/jittery side effects I get from it. Meth, on the other hand, seems have the least undesireable effects FOR ME.
So yeah, My point is, try them all out, and find out what's the best for your own unique body & mind.
-Dexium
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Crimson--
Amphetamine and meth are not THAT different, in fact I bet that most people wouldn't be able to tell them apart too often -- set and setting can make a lot more difference that the two substances.
 
I have asked the question countless times.. how is it countries that run these super sized labs cant make any meth? It's so fucking easy to make on an industrial scale, and if you're already making amphetamine, meth wouldn't be much further of a step..
I have also heard that the amphetamine REALLY SUCKS.. like 1%-2% purity rates and whatnot... yeah, I think I would be able to tell some of our 70%-80% meth from their low-grade amphetamine...
It boggles the mind.. oh well, in Austraila they still cant even protect babies from wild dingos! And the only beer they have is Fosters, so I guess it's no surprise to see they only have crappy amphetamine sulphate..
 
Crimson: The wizz we get in aust. is definately a whole lot more devoid of cut than what people in the us get. I mean, we pay thru the nose for it! 250-300 bucks a gram! While the average american will need about half a gram to be nicely wired for a night, a point or two of aussie wizz will suffice.
I dunno, maybe not, i've never actually had american meth before...
 
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