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Stimulants Amphetamines, how much is too much?

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RR279

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I’ve been going pretty hard on Adderall for the past 14 months. I started off doing two 10 hour binges/week for about the first 4 months and then quit for a month. I then started up again doing about three 10-15 hour binges/week for about another 4 months and then quit for a month. Now currently I’ve been doing four 10-15 hour binges/week for about the past 3 months.

I pop B vitamins and various antioxidants every couple hours and chase it with protein shakes in addition to drinking 2-3 cups of water every hour. With that said, I’ve still definitely noticed some neuro problems. I have a god awful memory and often times can’t think of the right wording of how I want to compose a thought when talking to people. I’m sure this will dissipate after a few months of coming clean but it still has me a bit worried.

I started when I was 21 and am 22 now. I want to quit, but I have horrible ADHD and can’t get anything done without it but at the same time can’t control myself to reasonable doses when I’m on it. I’ve tried non-stimulant ADHD alternatives but they haven’t offered me any improvements. I plan to be completely off in a couple months, but I’ve been saying that for a while now so it’s honestly anyone’s guess as to how long this will continue.

Long-term/permanent damage is obviously going to vary substantially from person to person and situation to situation, but roughly where is that ‘line’ crossed for most people?

Any personal stories or stories of friends are welcomed. Thanks!
 
KhyaBean said:
The point at which you don't eat or sleep for several days at a time, you stop caring about basic hygiene like washing your face and brushing your teeth, or you are no longer taking care of what is important to you because getting high has become more important than anything.

Unfortunately by the time you reach that point it is usually too late, so as a former adderall abuser and current meth addict, I would suggest NOT going down that road. Once you start it is very hard to turn back and it follows you forever. I had 7 years clean until a few months ago, and all it took was one bad decision to put me right back here. I know a few functioning amphetamine addicts, but I know a whole lot more who are nothing that even resembles functioning.

If you can't take it without abusing it, switch medications. I'm sure by now they must have invented some ADD meds that don't contain stimulants? When I was 16 they gave me stratera or something like that. I of course told them it made me sick because I wanted adderall that I wouldn't have to pay my classmates for, but I remember it being non-amphetamine. Perhaps you could look into that.
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I've never really 'binged' more than 20 hours or so, I've stayed up longer before but just in doses to allow me to stay awake without getting high. I'm at about 13 hours right now thought and will probably call it quits in a bit.

I don't have a problem with the hygiene bit. I would however say I don't take care of what is important because I'm too busy getting high. I'm not an 'addict' in the sense of going in major withdraws when not getting high, but I would use the term in a loose context. I ignore signs from my body telling me I've had enough and still push further and when I'm not high I think about it frequently.

I've requested a Strattera script from my doc and didn't notice any real difference, unfortunately. As much as I love the amp high, if I could find a medication that fixed my ADHD without getting my high I would be all over it.

I'm sorry to hear about your relapse, that must be tough after so many years clean. If you don't mind me asking, how long were you using amps before you quit and what were the remaining effects like?

Thanks for the reply!
 
I was just like you when I was younger. During my first year of college I schemed my way into a fat script of Adderall. I got a 3-month supply in the mail and I would burn through it in a month, maybe a month-and-a-half. When I was out, I'd have to search around and try to nab a couple out of all of my friends' scripts. I was hardly sleeping, lost a ton of weight, and was generally retarded. I couldn't remember anything, wouldn't study for tests properly, and despite the fact I felt like SHIT and wasn't sleeping or eating, I would still take that extra dose of Addy to keep it going. I've run the gamut of addictions and drug use over the years and this was, by far, the one that ran me into the ground the hardest. After about a year and a half of that shit, I went into my quack Indian doctor and told him I would not be seeing him again and that was that. I quit and have only used it a couple times in the last 5 years. (Freebies that were given to me my best friend.)

You need to figure out what changes you can make without stimulant medication to treat your ADHD. Do you really -have- ADHD? What distracts you from the things you need to accomplish? Set aside a schedule, write everything down, of things that you need to accomplish for the day. Look at number one, and do it. Finish it. Completely. Cross it off the list, and move on to number 2. You need to begin training yourself to finish things you start, and do a damn good job. You'll be proud when it begins to work for you. You're a 22-year-old man and you need to focus on your future. You can't rely on speed forever. It's only been a year and you are already feeling the toll it's taking on your body and mind.

Just quit that shit man. There's no withdrawal. You'll fiend for a while, you'll feel depressed, you'll crave that sugary goodness. But it goes away. Be glad you won't be tossing cookies and launching yourself off the toilet. You won't ache and have to stretch for hours and hours on end like with H or Methadone. You'll WANT to sleep. You'll WANT to eat. And you'll be better for it. Trust me.
 
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amphetamines are a very euphoric drug with awesome qualities, but there comes a time where the "magic/honeymoon" period vanishes, you start taking increased doses just to feel normal, or to avoid the crash. after going days without sleeping or eating, adderall will just be ineffective, leaving you just feeling all the horrrible/nasty side effects..paranoia, anti social tendencies, its a total mind fuck, and physically your just going to malnourish yourself..you DEF need atleast 1 month break from it to feel its good effecs again, even if that you may possible lose the magic effects u first experienced permanently..i been an adderall/dexedrine abuser for over 10 years, and ill say those effects i felt when i first took them ever i can NEVER get back, i used to be euphoric and high for 12+ hours..now im lucky if im high for 3 hours without crashing...amphetamines can do wonders, and also can do horrors

sorry for bumping. if u stop cold turkey, u will be sleeping alot and depressed maybe up to 2 weeks, and hungry..etc..taper down if u can, but as addicts tapering hardly ever works
 
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drewbocop said:
I was just like you when I was younger. During my first year of college I schemed my way into a fat script of Adderall. I got a 3-month supply in the mail and I would burn through it in a month, maybe a month-and-a-half. When I was out, I'd have to search around and try to nab a couple out of all of my friends' scripts. I was hardly sleeping, lost a ton of weight, and was generally retarded. I couldn't remember anything, wouldn't study for tests properly, and despite the fact I felt like SHIT and wasn't sleeping or eating, I would still take that extra dose of Addy to keep it going. I've run the gamut of addictions and drug use over the years and this was, by far, the one that ran me into the ground the hardest. After about a year and a half of that shit, I went into my quack Indian doctor and told him I would not be seeing him again and that was that. I quit and have only used it a couple times in the last 5 years. (Freebies that were given to me my best friend.)

You need to figure out what changes you can make without stimulant medication to treat your ADHD. Do you really -have- ADHD? What distracts you from the things you need to accomplish? Set aside a schedule, write everything down, of things that you need to accomplish for the day. Look at number one, and do it. Finish it. Completely. Cross it off the list, and move on to number 2. You need to begin training yourself to finish things you start, and do a damn good job. You'll be proud when it begins to work for you. You're a 22-year-old man and you need to focus on your future. You can't rely on speed forever. It's only been a year and you are already feeling the toll it's taking on your body and mind.

Just quit that shit man. There's no withdrawal. You'll fiend for a while, you'll feel depressed, you'll crave that sugary goodness. But it goes away. Be glad you won't be tossing cookies and launching yourself off the toilet. You won't ache and have to stretch for hours and hours on end like with H or Methadone. You'll WANT to sleep. You'll WANT to eat. And you'll be better for it. Trust me.
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I know how you feel, I first started experimenting with hard drugs when I was only 14 (snorting Oxy), but nothing has screwed with me like amps. How hard were you going and what kind of long-term effects did you experience?

I really do have an awful case of inattentive ADHD. When I got tested my scored fell within the 98th percentile. Even when I genually want to get things done, things that I find extremely intriguing and are needed for me to continue my life, I can't focus for more than a couple minutes before wandering off to something else no matter how hard I try to. On top of that, damaging my dopamine receptors even further via binging on speed surely isn't going to help things in the future.

I've tried the schedule routine with no success, I think I'm going to look for a quality book on ADHD to see if there is anything else I can do to improve my symptoms.

Ksa said:
What's wrong with going on an Adderall binge? You sound like you killed someone lol. Sounds ok to me, how much were you averaging a day in mg?
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Nothing is wrong with small Adderall binges in moderation, but I feel incredibly guilty doing them as often as I do.
 
when ya feel mad guilty about going on a binge, whatever the drug is, 95% of the time you know its a problem for u and it is a self destructive pattern.
 
How hard were you going and what kind of long-term effects did you experience?
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I was snorting or swallowing anywhere from 80 up to 150 mg per day. It soon had no effect other than keeping me up and making me feel like shit and further preventing me from eating and sleeping properly. Solely negative side effects. My dopamine was shot. After I quit and replentished the nutrients and rest my body so desparately needed, I can honestly say I recovered 100%.

I hope you figure it out. While not as bad as a meth head, you're still abusing and tweaking. You're getting high, not treating your ADD. Perhaps having someone hold on to your meds and dispersing them daily to you could be a good start.
 
Haha gotta love those amphetamines for sure :) lol personally would prefer meth over adderall but use adderall when im coming down.
 
i personally wouldn't do amphetamines every day. I usually do amphetamines like three times a week. I need sleep haha.
 
OP, what do you mean by 10-15 hour binge? Is it like 60mg xr 4 times a week with sleep, or like 200mg for days on end?
 
I broke a record for amphetamine use during a binge a few days ago where I consumed 80 mg xr orally, 40 mg crushed xr orally, and around 5-8 mg xr crushed intranasally. For me using that much felt almost toxic to me and I didn't notice any enhanced therapeutical benefit over simply taking the day off and taking a lower dose a few days later would have had for me. I can't possibly imagine taking amounts in excess of that routinely, i'm just wondering how you worked yourself up there?
 
Ksa said:
How much is he taking daily lol?!? He still didn't say...wtf I wana know.
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I started with 40mg IR @ 9PM last night and redosed in 10mg intervals until I totaled 200mg at around 3PM this afternoon. It's 7PM now and I'm currently coming down and have one of the worst headaches I've ever experienced. I'm on my second glass of lime water which should help with the renal excretion of amp so I can finally get some sleep.
 
RR279 said:
I started with 40mg IR @ 9PM last night and redosed in 10mg intervals until I totaled 200mg at around 3PM this afternoon. It's 7PM now and I'm currently coming down and have one of the worst headaches I've ever experienced. I'm on my second glass of lime water which should help with the renal excretion of amp so I can finally get some sleep.
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Ya that's too much. I would cap Adderall to 60mg daily for non toxic effects. What did you do all this time while you were on Adderall from 9PM to now?
 
Ksa said:
Guilt is not real, it's a chemical reaction that occurs in your brain, designed to blind you from the truth. The truth is that, as long as your habit is healthy, it's not wrong. In fact, it may be healthier than everything else, you don't know. And if it's not healthy, make it healthy. You got a brain, use it. Read chemistry, read read read read. Understand. When you don't understand you start being afraid and feeling guilty for having fun.
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I've never thought about it from that angle, interesting :)
 
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