Stimulants Amphetamines and benzo combination for studying expand on/clarification/advice

[CarsgoVroOOOM]

Hey guys. My dog Bud's been a long time creeper. He was going to reply to another amphet study aid/benzo comedown thread but he didn't want to hijack or dig old up threads.

Bud wanted to provide some experience/knowledge from doing exactly this after a year of school.

Bud's got a decent tolerance to amphetamine and still does remarkably, abstained for 4 months due benzodiazepine withdrawal (later) and the personal need to be clean. Amphetamine was pharmaceutical grade or he acetone washed and filtered street amphet paste (chemistry student plus its easy). Used to combat laziness and procrastination. Now using again, have more work to do, the first day was awesome, lowish dose, scale used, 20mg ingested, lasted 7hr, he felt great, got shit done. In just 2 days it was as it was 4 months before, need 40mg ingested plus 2-3 5-10mg bumps throughout the day (max 24hrs -then its too tweaky). He feels, Amps are a working drug, leave the (acetone washed) coke and mdma for the parties. Anyway.... tolerance builds fast, but it's always manageable, control dosages, take breaks, because you can, withdrawal is, lethargy, hunger and a bit of excessive (real) sleep - and you probably need latter two and overall it only lasts like 5 days. Now the 'innocent' (more dangerous benzo).

Benzodiazepines - alazopram. Pharma grade. As a student, Bud had a schedule to maintain, class/labs. Amphets laying in bed sucks, thus sedate himself. It works. However, although weary of dependence, the requirement to complete school was greater. Here he can make/confirm/clarify the dangers mentioned in that old tread. Alazopram was chosen due to the shortest half life (6-8 hr) but that in turn makes it have the quickest onset of a good-feeling anti-anxietyness. Thus habit forming. Second, since dosages are so frigging small, he can take 1-0.5mg to much and half of the next day is blacked out/you're a zombie. Thus no learning/studying/exam writing that day. Third, he was not actually sleeping, benzo-sleep is not real sleep, his body/heart, CNS, his decision making, consciousness, problem solving all rest. But no slow-wave sleep, and limited REM sleep and over time benzo sleeps will cause no dreaming at all, he was just unconscious. Thus while in his system during sleep and a little after, the learning and memory forming parts are not working. This then starts a cycle requiring more amps to make up time/force work/go over again what is not staying in memory during his sleep. Plus tolerance to benzos also builds requiring more to get the sedative effect to go to 'sleep'.

To try to cut it short-ish. As he said before benzos are more dangerous in this situation...Although stims are rough on the heart and physically demanding it is combat-able, remember to eat, drink (not booze) no strenuous exercise, and rest/sleep by 24-30 hrs and he knows he can be ok even after a cold turkey, with like 5 days tired/hungry phase - still a functional dog though. Benzos will creep up and become physically dependant in as little as 2-3 weeks of daily use. Even if he didn't use amphs during the day, the feeling/fear he needed a xanax (even just a finger dab) to have a good sleep and be in class functioning was most important. At the end of the year he went cold turkey despite many internet warnings, due to seizures, coma...he was driven to because his cat roommie demanded to try some, took it, and despite warnings did it and was unconscious for 12 hours followed by 24hr semi-consciousness. Staying up all night, close monitoring and finger on 911, the tough cat made it - he had no other drug in his system for a fatal combo.....The dog's 3 weeks of Benzodiazepine withdrawal was just beginning though, extreme insomnia and anxiety, panic attacks, paranoia, agoraphobia, pain/stiffness, flushing/sweating/palpitations, influenza-like symptoms, fatigue, headache, muscle twitches, jerks, tics, "electric shocks". Luckily almost right on the 21st day, most of it all just went away. Sleep doubled from the 2.5-3 hr sleeps, pain gone, palpitations gone. 6 months later all Bud has is the occasional "electric shock" and thanks the lord for no protracted withdrawal symptoms.

The point is they work. But, watch benzo use closely. If swim are close to passing out after benzo/cant walk etc., too much, might as well stay home the next day, swim's memory will be wiped. Withdrawal is a bitch and if you are using addies at the same time for this controversial synergy, Bud thinks swim will be probably taking higher doses, negating the (beneficial) drowsy/sedating effect and bringing the withdrawal possibility sooner.

Note this is Bud's speculation but he thinks he was lucky to have the shorter acting benzo although it is worse for addiction due to the fast onset, he thinks it played a role in possibly allowing for GABA receptor recovery (marginal) or at least minimize further receptor down-regulation during the daytime, speculating the longer half life benzodiapens remain in the system longer throughout the day causing further down-regulation.

 

[Jabberwocky]

1. No swim here, it doesn't make you immune to prosecution if you are caught, it's obvious that you're talking about yourself, or at least you'll get done for animal cruelty if your cat was taking the drugs. It's super annoying to read so please don't.

Now onto the good stuff, drug talk! Well, it sounds like you had a hell of a ride, tweaking like a mad man for 2 weeks. That probably wasn't very healthy, however, I don't really understand the point of what you're trying to get across.

Were you tweaked while writing this? Because I don't mean it in a hostile way, it just seems like ramblings about how you blacked out, didn't get much sleep, didn't eat much, and fried your dopamine receptors. You doubly screwed your dopamine receptors as you used alprazolam, the only benzo in the entire family of benzodiazepines which actually increase dopamine in the brain. There is speculation as to whether this is what causes xanax to be the most abused benzo, coupled of course with its short inset and half life. Considering adderal causes a huge influx of dopamine specifically, but also targets norepinephrine, and serotonin to some extent - you could that with the synergy of xanax and you're finished. Oh, xanax also has shown increases of serotonin too. It makes for a very euphoric and pleasurable experience for the first couple of times, but then you realise you're horribly addicted, sounds like the same happened to you like most of everyone else that tries this combo.

What you're describing at the end is just scary. You could have caused long term damage by jumping off the xanax cold turkey yet also continuing to take adderall while coming off? Kid, those electric shocks could have been partial seizures. The whole recovery due to the xanax having a shorter half life is a load of garbage, I don't know where you've heard that your gaba receptors recover quicker if you have a shorter half life drug, when in fact it's the complete opposite.

If you had of been using diazepam (or transitioned onto it) for instance you would have given your gaba receptors a chance to fully recover from having an influx of gaba-a production due to the binding of diazepam to the benzodiazepine subset receptors in the brain. GABA is very delicate, it is not like dopamine nor serotonin which can be abused and recover in a short period of time (well to a certain extent). When GABA has been elevates for an extended period of time due to drug being introduced into the body, xanax, you need to slowly taper off the benzodiazepine, using a long half life one in preference, in order to re - normalise the levels in the brain but most importantly disassociate GABA levels from the benzodiazepine receptors in the brain as the primary point of increasing the levels of gaba in the brain. From what you've written I have no idea what period of time you were taking it for, but even after two weeks, studies have shown that the short term memory is impacted and is unable to function properly. If we are talking about months of abuse, then I'm sorry to say that you could have suffered permanent brain damage because of the abrupt cessation of the drug. The most obvious indication being that you're still suffering electric shocks. This means that the brain is attempting to re - wire itself, among many many other things, but it's a brain issue.

You say you want to do this combo again? Frankly by this account of your experience you should never go near a drug in your life again as you have a very addictive, destructive and stubborn personality. I don't mean this rudely once again, but judging on what you've written, it seems as if you are a knowledgeable person with attention to detail, but the way that you write shows to me that something is... I'm not sure how to express it, but I guess, missing. As if you're very scrambled and unable to just focus on a singular point, and you've asked a quesrion as your post title, yet I don't see any question really relating to it apart from have I helped myself because of... Something to do with gaba receptors which was a little silly - because it seems like you know what you're talking about.

I dunno man. You really screwed yourself over by cold turkeying the benzos. Frankly even 6 months after due to the electric shocks, I would do a very short taper with diazepam, from 10mg to 0. But under supervised conditions where you have no access to the drug apart from your daily dose. I also would never touch any kind of stimulant or benzo, or drug in your case again as you're going to end up addicted to something along the way, you probably won't listen to it, but quit while you're ahead. Or you'll just end up another number on a statistic of people who died abusing prescription mediation.

 

[thelonelystoner]

Interesting coincidence that the first time I check Bluelight in a couple months, this thread is on the first page.
I'm wondering if anybody has any experience with combining or combining something similar to vyvanse + temazepam. It's not something I necessarily want to do recreationally, here's the situation I'm in:
I take Vyvanse(60mg) every morning, and I usually have a tolerance for it to where I still experience some degree of euphoria and high productivity, but it doesn't last for 2-3 days like it would when I experimented with it once or twice in high school or when I first got diagnosed with ADD and prescribed to it. I never really have any problems and never feel too shitty from it anymore, until yesterday. The day before yesterday, I took around 4g of mushrooms in the evening and had an amazing trip. I didn't have anything to help with sleep, so I only ended up getting about an hour of sleep before having to wake up and go to school. Yesterday when I woke up, I didn't feel any trip or discernible afterglow, and I took my vyvanse as usual. The side effects were rough (extreme sweating/greasy skin, muscle tension, cold extremities, occasional chest pains when taking deep breaths, dehydration, and a comedown that consists of all these side effects intensified along with a strong mental dysphoria), which hasn't happened to me in a good while. It took 40mg of ambien, a hydroxyzine, and a few 40's to eventually sleep. Today, I'm feeling productive and euphoric from my vyvanse, but my muscles are tense as fuck, I'm still sweating more than usual, and there's some chest pain. A friend just gave me two 30mg temazepam capsules but that's all I have, and it's impossible to find any other type of benzodiazepines today. Beggars can't be choosers I guess, but I wish I had come across a different benzo without the hypnotic qualities.
Here's my question: does temazepam have any physiologically calming effects that would counteract vascoconstriction/chest pain/intense sweating? or, being related to the hypnotic class, would it only induce psychological effects? I've taken temazepam before, all I can remember is that it's enjoyable and I don't know much about pharmacology of GABA receptor agonists. I'd like to not feel like I'll have a heart attack if I breathe too deep or like I have to change my shirt every hour, but if it's just going to turn me into a delirious idiot while my body is still roughly the same, I'll just ride this out.
Wish I wasn't waiting until next week for my clonidine refill -_-
If this isn't the best thread for this or I could get a better answer somewhere else let me know, if I can even find an answer before it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Snarky91]

Well, now that a few people have renewed the thread, I'll note a few things. First, I've have had my share of ups and downs with bloody amphetamine. Second, I got into a cocktail of 30 mg Dexedrine instant release and 0.5 mg of alprazolam co-administered early on in my use. Unfortunately, I didn't realize taking seven classes and studying day and night was a recipe for disaster. I finished out that semester with respectable grades, but I had started smoking cigarettes on top of Dexedrine, alprazolam, and clonazepam, because that's how bad I was burning out. Anyway, that semester I also dealt with unrelated stressors. Needless, I was not in a very good way, but I persisted. Long story short, I fell apart and went through a few months of recalibration. Lesson learned man. Don't fuck around with that Xanax. If you're in a similar situation and you're reading this, I encourage you to take my advice and let that shit alone. Man, it was a crazy ass ride and crazier than it should have ever been. Nobody told me better at the time, or maybe I wasn't listening. All the other shit aside, and it's some shit with Xanax, there is no way I would have been that out there without it. It's some insidious shit because I remember crazy situations I thought nothing of at the time but were definitely out of character with the benefit of a little perspective. To synopsize: Taking alprazolam, shit was aight even it wasn't aight... It was hard to judge. I know a lost some initiative neurologically or psychologically, fucking around with it. I still take amps, but I don't have a lunatic giving them even when it's clear I shouldn't be getting them... I still take Klonopin with it from time to time, though I try to keep the benzo to a minimum.

I don't feel right like the optimism and confidence I had back before that crazy semester. I can't pin it down on any one thing, because it was a humbling experience psychologically. Man, the shit had synergy with the short acting amphetamines, so my mind was at 99.6%, looking at everything transactional. What do I mean? Well I didn't really give a fuck about learning, or gaining long lived experience, so I took shit apart like I had an end, this is what I needed to do at this stage, here's what I'm going to do at that stage; provided no ridiculous surprises, I'm going to have meticulous knowledge and assessment of goal completion. It definitely enabled me to be super analytical calculating. But how long can one perform at a zenith level. More to the point, it was hard for me to see that time is an important component in forming memories and consolidating and retrieving them properly.

^ Temazepam is a benzodiazepine drug not so dissimilar from the others that are well known. What you describe is the unwanted effects of amps coupled with anxiety. Very common. I guess you're on 60 mg already so using a lower dose is probably not an option you'll seriously consider, but the transient high and strong stimulation produced by very strong doses will always give way to physiological side effects that effect anxiety. If you take a 10 mg dose, after it wears off you might feel irritable. But you won't feel like you're about to have a myocardial infarction. Consider lowering the dose. I don't know it for a fact, but I'd venture that all benzodiazepines cause vasodilation. Some have more muscle relaxant effects than others, but it's safe to assume they all act on the same receptors and ancillary receptors with varying effects. Hyperthermia doesn't help. I would probably drink a lot of cool water as needed and stay in a cool area while focusing on breathing techniques. Really, breathing deep is the best thing because it provides more oxygen compared to taking short, panicked breaths. Feeling like a deep breath will trigger some adverse reaction is a sign of taking too much. Your heart is palpitating for sure (or would be). Physiologically, your heart is doing its thing because of the strong dose. They say heart attacks are quite rare in young age. In fact, a doctor treating a patient who presented with chest pains would probably immediately rule out cardiovascular causes. I got real sick once with pleurisy and got worried enough to see the doctor. He hardly registered urgency (great doc). He had me breath and explain when I felt more pain or less etc. etc.

Panic attacks can cause chest pain, all on their own.