Amphetamine tolerance questions!

[metalfaith]

Got a few questions as i've just recently experimented for the first time with amphetamines.

1. I was recently told that amphetamines are unlike other drugs in the fact that you will develop a semi-perma-tolerence.. While other drugs you can take breaks and let tolerance diminish to zero, you can't do that with amphetamines because the tolerance never fully goes away.. Or something similar to that. I was just curious as to if this was true. Is there any scientific research to back this, or just user feedback?

2. Someone once said:
"Amphetamines are a lot like opiates in that sense, the high will never be like the first few times you did it."

Is this because the user over-does it and becomes addicted or is this fact no matter what? i.e. someone that does adderall every day for 3 months and someone who does it once a week, will neither of them be able to achieve that full high again or just the addict?

3. I decided to make rules for myself in regards to stims after my recent first experience with them. Adderall 50mg was the dose. I had planned on limiting myself at least a week before dosing again, and never redosing. Can I expect to develop a tolerance? If so, what is an adequate break time to ensure I never become dependent?

Thanks!

 

[Allein]

IMO all drugs are like that "the high will never be like the first few times you did it" not sure if Amphetamines are special in this way certainly not IME.

 

[laCster]

this^ except for marijuana which is a whole different ball-game. today i took 5mgs of Adderall IR and i was still able to fill effects, granted they were minimal. usually, i need around 10-15mgs... i might pop another 5mgs soon and get some studying done, sounds like a good idea to meh ...

 

[Renz Envy]

Depends on your chemistry to be honest.

I am the type of person who needs at least a month break in between any stimulant use to regain desired effects. However this was not the case when I first started using stimulants. I could use 2-3 times a week and still feel amazing.

Now if I try and play with doses to chase the high, I will hit a "bad dose" and have bad anxiety on the come down.

A week should be good for the average person, I find my problem to be pretty uncommon and its largely based on mindset.

2. Someone once said:
"Amphetamines are a lot like opiates in that sense, the high will never be like the first few times you did it."

I don't really agree with this as it is unrealistically pessimistic way of looking at drug use. One can have a gradually better experience with drugs based on surroundings.

While the drug may not provide the same chemical strength as the first time, the grip of the drug gradually diminishes with continued use and allows one to fully encompass themselves in the scenery rather than what the drug tells them to feel. Rather than chasing a high, I would say chase the full experience.

 

[laCster]

^well put my friend, amphetamine abuse is fun for a while, but the negatives outweigh the positives in the long-run. i do love the stimulation and euphoria i get from low doses, but i do not possess any dopamine-deficiency or atleast none to my knowledge.

amphetamines are indeed neurotoxic, and they cause a wide-range of malacious side-effects from anxiety to insomnia, or even psychosis...

 

[Allein]

this^ except for marijuana which is a whole different ball-game. today i took 5mgs of Adderall IR and i was still able to fill effects, granted they were minimal. usually, i need around 10-15mgs... i might pop another 5mgs soon and get some studying done, sounds like a good idea to meh ...

I'm not so sure about Marijuana, I smoked hash heavily for 15 years and whilst it doesn't build tolerance in the same way a something like Amphetamine the effect does change and in my case the capacity to smoke more and more. I had a strong psychological addiction which was as least partly driven by my use of tobacco along with the hash.

I stopped 10 years ago but I seem to here of more and more people having problems with the newer hybrid weed,skunk and the like

 

[laCster]

tell me about it.^ i've smoked for over 10 years, 7 of those being daily. i have grown to love marijuana more and more over the years, unlike other drugs like opiates and amphetamines which got me stupid-fucking high the first go-arounds, and then ceased to provide euphoric effects. marijuana never fails to get me high, maybe it's just my bud??

 

[scramdor]

be careful my friend.

from personal experience.

Giving yourself the limit is a great idea. that is if you are sure you have the ability and self perseverance to stick to it.

The first high will most likely be unlike any other, that is true, some people keep searching for it again and again. You may take more and more and not achieve the same euphoria. its easy to then think you can take more without side effects to reach that high. The problem is amphetamine effects can still be incredibly powerful on your CNS while not increasing mood nearly as much. This is how people find themselves have some serious cardiovascular problems.

Your tolerance will rise immediately but should not rise rapidly there after. if you stick to once a week tolerance should stay low.

Remember-its easy to say one more time this week wont be a big deal. then go to 3 times and so on. Dont let that high lower the entertainment of activities done without it. the day you begin to think about taking it to make what your currently doing more enjoyable (already enjoyable things that is) is when you should really cut back and make sure your developing any kind of addiction.

You wont become physically addicted with once a week use. most likely. but psychologically you may.

 

[Glen Sykes]

/\ I agree that amphetamines have a large risk for becoming addictive if you start to depend on them to make your reality better./\

Can I ask [the OP] what stim you're specifically referring to? Would it happen to be Adderall? If it is: That drug IME has a massive effect the first time someone uses. Following use may seem to have less of an amp effect. This usually stems from the fact that it is the person's first time with a stimulant other than nicotine or coffee. Adderall always does it's job of keeping me awake and focused, but I haven't ever been flying like how I was the first few times of use. I have other things for that :D

50 mg? XR? Are you eating it or something else? For someone who doesn't take it as a prescription med, that should be keeping you awake for atleast 20+ hours or longer depending on the answers to my previous questions.
You will develop a tolerance, it's a biological fact, but don't redose if you're already doing 50mg. It sounds like you're approaching this with caution, which is good- keep that attitude and don't go eating 50mg each morning for three days straight.

I leave you with this: http://animalstalkinginallcaps.tumblr.com/post/9588194090/alan-i-want-to-talk-to-you-about-your

 

[Allein]

tell me about it.^ i've smoked for over 10 years, 7 of those being daily. i have grown to love marijuana more and more over the years, unlike other drugs like opiates and amphetamines which got me stupid-fucking high the first go-arounds, and then ceased to provide euphoric effects. marijuana never fails to get me high, maybe it's just my bud??

Ahh don't get me wrong I only gave up hash because I had such a close association with tobacco that I could give one up without the other. Of all the habits I have had a fell in love with hash in a joint with Tobacco and went through an oz or more a week for years, bearing in mine I spent all day at work where I could smoke.

In retrospect it was a very effective and anxiety / depression treatment, but decent hash is more difficult to get these days and I don't want to go back to the evil tobacco weed as I have kids now. I did try some of the synthetic offerings but they weren't the same, I think the mix of THC and Nicotine produces a slightly different high, allot of people, don't see to notice that. I know the few times I've smoked pure weed since its blown the fekin doors off

 

[opiatekrzy]

amphetamine tolerance develops the day and time you dose at that MG, so once u take the 1st dose of say 50mg, you will need that much for desired effect (by the way, re-dosing after the adderall has worn off will not cause another burst of euphoria, it will just extend the duration of the adderall u originally dosed, dont expect euphoria, just a sense of relief, possibly anxiety, other negative side effects. honestly to avoid tolerance and loss of magic effects of amphetamines, try to party with it maybe 2-3 times a month, trust me u dont wanna lose the magic effects, me, im lucky to feel a buzz for 3hrs on amphetamines, i also lost 60% of the magic euphoria it provides when first doing this drug. i dont dose above 60mg at a time also.

 

[wooger]

This Thread Kinda suggests it might be permanent.

One thing I can tell you for sure this I first used amphetamines 7 years ago...and not very frequently.. in fact it was only earlier this year I had touched them in about 2 years and it was nothing like what it used to be. The people I was with were pretty new to it and seemed to have much more euphoria and such .

 

[scramdor]

I took a year off and took it again and did not experience the same incredible euphoria i did the first time. The best part about my first time was that it wasnt at all contributed to placebo. My friend dumped a 25mg xr into a caffeine capsule i had and gave it to me without saying anything. An hour later i was non-stop talking and was so relaxed i didnt move for hours.

Now if i take 50mg i wont get too much euphoria. I get more social, and relaxed, other times i get kinda anxious if im sitting in class.

For some reason it also has the tendency to make me feel instantly exhausted. Im not able to sleep, but my body just feels like a pulled a couple all nighters. My eyes get really tired too.

 

[Flailing_Gypsy]

Hmm... I can only say from experience that it's definitely *not* true that you gain a perma-tolerance to amphetamines. At one point when I used dexedrine a lottt, I developed a tolerance but after abstaining, it was totally gone. As far as it never being the same as the first time, I hear this about a lot of drugs and I've never really understood that. Ecstasy was amaaaazing the first time, but I've had lots of equally amazing trips, some even more amazing after the first time... same with amphetamines and I've used both *a lot* over the last few years. So I don't know... that's just my experience.

 

[metalfaith]

/\ I agree that amphetamines have a large risk for becoming addictive if you start to depend on them to make your reality better./\

Can I ask [the OP] what stim you're specifically referring to? Would it happen to be Adderall? If it is: That drug IME has a massive effect the first time someone uses. Following use may seem to have less of an amp effect. This usually stems from the fact that it is the person's first time with a stimulant other than nicotine or coffee. Adderall always does it's job of keeping me awake and focused, but I haven't ever been flying like how I was the first few times of use. I have other things for that :D

50 mg? XR? Are you eating it or something else? For someone who doesn't take it as a prescription med, that should be keeping you awake for atleast 20+ hours or longer depending on the answers to my previous questions.
You will develop a tolerance, it's a biological fact, but don't redose if you're already doing 50mg. It sounds like you're approaching this with caution, which is good- keep that attitude and don't go eating 50mg each morning for three days straight.

I leave you with this: http://animalstalkinginallcaps.tumblr.com/post/9588194090/alan-i-want-to-talk-to-you-about-your

It was standard adderall. 50mg, oral. Honestly I'm not even worried about it anymore.. I think the speediness from the high gave me a bit of anxiety as well.. But that would kinda suck if I wasn't ever able to achieve the same effect again..

 

[THC2LSD]

Tolerance to amphetamines isn't permanent.It go away after a period of abstinence . It can go up a LOT, like going from 25mg to get high to 500mg to feel "normal" in an addict(you will still seem a little crazy).