Amphetamine mindset mystery

[Renz Envy]

This has been an issue for quite some time and would appreciate mental guidance to help me recapture the "magic" of amphetamine use for practical purposes.

A while back I experienced an episode of panic attacks brought on through vyvanse. Little did I know, these attacks would continue to happen frequently with any amphetamine or similar compound to amphetamine.

This exploded during a session of consuming of time release dex-methylphenidate, ending with myself suffering a 14 hour long series of panic episodes. During this time, I could really only think about how feeble life was. At any moment, I felt as if I could cease to exist. My heart could seize. I could have a stroke. EMS could arrive too late. I could pass out in a bathroom.

(My prescription seems to be more of a waste.)
Since then I have been trying to recapture the practical pleasure of amphetamine without worrying about imminent death. A low dose will typically do nothing. Anything "active" sparks anxiety which will blossom into panic. It feels as if I have lost all confidence in the vitality of my own body.

 

[First Bad Comedown]

Wow.

Piracetam is supposed to work for all amphetamines, not just MDMA.
It even works for psychedelics.

It preferentially increases dopamine in the prefrontal cortex and...
I suspect it would reduce the imbalance of dopamine that causes psychosis.
I have read that turmeric can prevent some epigenetic changes caused by METH use as well as reducing inflammation.

NMDA antagonists like ketamine or memantine are reported to reduce tolerance to stims as well, and even prevent sensitization if used concurrently.
But they are not without risks, including kidney damage and memory problems with ongoing use.
Well, at least the ketamine does.

The piracetam has NO toxicity, is legal, and can be taken in high doses the day or two prior to the drug to intensify its effects.

Renz - sorry to hear about the intense panic attacks.
I find such terms to be insufficient, as a physical cause is certainly present.
You experienced a profound imbalance in dopamine levels, possibly including glutamate toxicity.
And amphetamine DO kill people.

Lucky for you, you are young and in good shape.
But perhaps it is time to stop feeling so invincible?

And don't forget that being an MDMA user can disrupt dopamine transmission!
I can only imagine how crazy taking a stim would make me on the wrong day.

You mentioned 'practical purposes'.
I wonder what that could mean.

Long-term abstinence from all amphetamines and stims is your most 'practical' solution to this problem.
I promise you this.

Other than Piracetam, NMDA antagonists, cucurmin, or abstinence....I have never seen anything that could help you.
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[Louis CK]

Wow, that's weird..I used to have the same feelings after doing dexmethyl. for a while. After a couple months of using Focalin daily, I started to feel so shitty. Sometimes I would blow like 30mg and feel so awful, that I'd just lay on the floor and wait for it to be over.

I stopped for a couple weeks then I tried taking some addies, felt fine and I was able to do all amphetamines again.

I think a lot of times, it's about what you have going on that makes you anxious. If there's some greater issue troubling you, it tends to make you apprehensive about the future, and taking any stims just magnifies that feeling so much more.

My advice would be to just wait it out...when you're sure you have everything in order, I bet you'll be fine with amphetamines again.

 

[Renz Envy]

I agree. Many times I do not panic as I've gained wisdom to these feelings and realize that it is not that my body is in any real danger; My BP, Heart rate and temperature are all normal on stimulants. My mind has difficulty accepting them as "pleasureable" so rather than intensifying my focus on art and writing, they force my thoughts to wander off. I wonder, "Why do these substances effect me so negatively?"

Perhaps it is dopamine down-regulation, however I have been very careful in stimulant use. I've never "stayed up" using stimulants and always get sleep eventually. I'm forced to believe it IS in fact a mindset issue like Louis said, however the dexmethyl phenomenon is very similar to what I feel.

The stimulant feels more like a scatterbrained, uncomfortable and anxious feeling. Rather than a pleasurable, focused satisfying tool. Like I said previously, my doses are fairly well-kept.

 

[effie]

Renz, that sounds rubbish Really sorry you're having anxiety and panic problems, not fun.

Unfortunately amphetamines do trigger this in some people, it might be that they will always have the tendency to do that with you.. might be worth looking into ways of controlling panic, CBT and relaxation techniques for example? That way you will know you have some tricks up your sleeve to stop any panic before it can develop, and that in itself might mean you are less likely to feel anxious or panicky

 

[Renz Envy]

I don't suffer panic/anxiety issues sober. Other stimulants such as caffeine, cocaine or MDMA do not trigger them, it seems to only be unique to amphetamine and similar compounds.

I feel that with time, I will rediscover the magic of amphetamine, however until then, I will continue to ask and look for answers.

The panic attacks only occur when I question my own health. Which is a silly question, I am in extremely good shape, my heart is fine and my blood pressure is actually a low normal.

 

[laCster]

benzos + amps + weed =