Stimulants Amphetamine and Methamphetamine addiction advice( Need help)

[aguythatlikessmoke]

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[aguythatlikessmoke]

I wanted to know though how Adderall( a prescription in the US) compares to Powdered Amphetamine??? I have to agree with the Japanese government and certain other governments of the world to not use Amphetamines at all for any medical reason and to completetly ban them. According to some sources where I read online Powdered amphetamine isn't sustained release such as in Adderall so it causes a rush which makes it more dangerous but I am not certain and Adderall has medical benefits in Conditions as Add or Adhd due to a sustained release I don't know if this is true or what the case is, but I feel like it would be difficult to study on Amphetamines the jittery feeling and the urge to party, move and talk would not let you study... I think coffee sounds better for people who need a study aid. I know in the US they give out Adderall rather easy or it is easy to find I've lived in the US and I know a lot of people even messed around with it in High school and College to gain the edge. But in Hungary where I am right now it is so difficult to obtain Amphetamine for Medical reasons close to impossible. They don't even have to many options to treat ADHD here.
I don't have ADHD but I just know. And Hungary they have very strict Drug laws even on Marijuana first time users are lucky they go off with counseling and therapy but second time caught with Marijuana and you face Jail time and Penalties. Amphetamines have a zero tolerance here first time use is ok if the police finds you but second time your F"""""/.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

and you guys were talking about Damage and the danger of drugs. Yea I am curious as well I feel as though Marijuana isn't harmless doing it for months at a time daily I think it can lead to changes in brain Chemistry and it can cause you to be slower, F""" ur memory , Feel spacey Cloudy but after a few months of abstinence it goes back to Normal your mental functions etc . I wanted to know though how the brain damage from Amphetamine looks like? and what happens to those Dopamine receptors and how it effects your ability to feel pleasure in Life especially Meth that sh'' is f''' I read about it such a high discharge of Dopamine and then the levels plummit there is deff damage done to the braiN I wonder if it is irreversible? and how do you feel Dead Calm??? What about your body weight now where are you at??? How many days did you binge for??
and may I ask if other aspects of your life are working out for you? family, school, work whatever you deal with???

 

[Dread calm]

Dopamine levels do return, can take a while depending on how bad you've been with it but it will right itself eventually. Im not a Dr obviously but i think if your dopamine receptors are fried you have parkinsons disease, well I've never met a speed freak with parkinsons so i dont think it can permanently damage your dopamine levels. I have binged for 1 day, and I've binged for an entire year at a time, sometimes staying up for 9 or 10 days straight. Im still skinny and always will be but im ten stone now so nowhere near as bad as a few years back. Got a job, a house, and a family. Speed has been a huge part of my life for so long but i wouldnt lose anything close to me for it, its not worth it!

 

[Renz Envy]

This is just speculation though, we can't do substance ID.

For example, as I was cleaning my room last night I found a really old piece of foil with some melted shard on it, and temptation got the best of me, I still use methamphetamine but I never smoke it, but temptation got the best of me and about 1 hour after I blew that cloud, I was asleep.
So saying that meth will be tweaky for 4-5 hours doesn't apply to everyone.

Agreed. My issue began when I was prescribed vyvanse.

I began using around 5~20mg of methamphetamine daily in place of it. The drug can occasionally get the best of me, but it's more psychological. I will get bad thoughts. Dark intentions.

Regardless, the withdrawals are not fun. Very underrated. Trying to quit amphetamine cold turkey after daily use has one asking themselves the question as they try to get out of bed, "Why?".

 

[sir_thizzalot]

Ok maybe that statement was a bit misleading. How about i put it like this, i genuinely think that people who are prescribed therapeutic doses of amphets daily are doing less long term physical harm than weekend binge drinkers. Am i alone on this thought?

Only relative to dose and ingestion concerns. A light dosing of a stimulant, amphetamine or methamphetamine, at low doses, quite rarely, perhaps used to stimulate writing output or simply to be more social for an evening, shouldn't be that dangerous to a healthy person of sound hydration and nutrition. Not "safe", not even "pot-safe", obviously. But I'd say quite a bit less damaging than binging on alcohol once a week until you black out and then unfortunately keep on drinking until you just pass out. Especially because even if addiction becomes an issue, AFAIK, only the alcohol withdrawal is potentially lethal. That said, it takes incredible control to space stimulant doses like this, when you really like the drug. If you have it, however, then once a week stims at low to moderate total dose is safer, at least, than alcohol once a week at high total dose.

No, I agree with you, I'm prescribed Desoxyn and I like to think that taking 5-10mg every once in a while is nowhere near as damaging as people who binge easily taking more than 100mg, sometimes PER DOSE.

Fair enough, it is dose dependent. But I don't think comparing black out drunk to low dose d-amp is fair. If you're going to compare alcohol to low dose amp, you'd have to be talking about enough alcohol for a buzz for a few hours but not smashed drunk. I'd argue that in comparable low doses, used weekly, I think alcohol is better for you, but either way, if you keep your dose low there wouldn't really be major problems. On the other end, being black out drunk, vs tweaked the fuck out, I'd say the tweaking would be worse...
Tricomb I agree, that's a baseline dose and I can't see it causing much any problems. It's much more healthy than even all the kids here in the US prescbibed like 40mg+ of nasty adderall (l-amp included..... nasty) every day, a good personality killer.

Yes, I smoked shards off foil, I have more control over the temperature and everything in general. IMO if you have good technique, you can get better results from foil than anything else. With glass pipes people CONSTANTLY over-heat it and don't factor in how long it takes for glass to cool down. It's all about technique though, with the right technique you can get just as good hits with glass, I'm not saying foil is best hands down, YMMV, but I'm so good with foil that, for example, I get just as satisfying a rush from smoking heroin than from injecting it, so there's no point for me to IV it unless I can't smoke it. I realize this thread's talking about methamphetamine but that's the best example I could come up with.

The only reason I like using a glass pipe is it collects resin.( frost )

But oh yeah, another very important thing, I rarely ever vaporize methamphetamine anymore (I used to bigtime, and IV, the whole shebang) because it's too fiendish. I much prefer to take it orally or rectally so I can actually enjoy the experience and go do something else while feeling euphoric. With vaporizing it, in my experience it's just you, or you and your group of friends passing around the pizzo for days on end It ruins the experience for me, and would advise any methamphetamine users reading this to give it a try, oral methamphetamine is the best way you can take it in my experience, although I like rectal because of it's near 100% bioavailability and instantaneous onset that makes you go weak in the knees, as a safer alternative to IV.

@OP, I hope your performing an acetone wash on your product! You can definitely feel the difference and I'm sure your lungs will thank you for not inhaling all the other bullshit dealers cut methamphetamine with.

How does it not run all over the place? I don't really know anything about smoking meth, I just know that heated it turns to liquid, unlike tar which couldn't run so fast on foil. I'm sure it's just technique but I can't figure that one out.

I wanted to know though how Adderall( a prescription in the US) compares to Powdered Amphetamine??? I have to agree with the Japanese government and certain other governments of the world to not use Amphetamines at all for any medical reason and to completetly ban them. According to some sources where I read online Powdered amphetamine isn't sustained release such as in Adderall so it causes a rush which makes it more dangerous but I am not certain and Adderall has medical benefits in Conditions as Add or Adhd due to a sustained release I don't know if this is true or what the case is, but I feel like it would be difficult to study on Amphetamines the jittery feeling and the urge to party, move and talk would not let you study... I think coffee sounds better for people who need a study aid. I know in the US they give out Adderall rather easy or it is easy to find I've lived in the US and I know a lot of people even messed around with it in High school and College to gain the edge. But in Hungary where I am right now it is so difficult to obtain Amphetamine for Medical reasons close to impossible. They don't even have to many options to treat ADHD here.
I don't have ADHD but I just know. And Hungary they have very strict Drug laws even on Marijuana first time users are lucky they go off with counseling and therapy but second time caught with Marijuana and you face Jail time and Penalties. Amphetamines have a zero tolerance here first time use is ok if the police finds you but second time your F"""""/.

You've gotta try putting your posts into paragraphs that are easier to read..
But adderall sucks IMO, it lacks as much euphoria as d-amp has. Stupid L-amphetamine in there, for terrible reasoning. It's worse for you, makes the high a lot less great, and makes the crash way worse.
Your street amp is probably just d-amp (not counting whatever it's cut with). So is Dexedrine, and Vyvanse (but I hate vyvanse' time release personally). Your idea to not use amps more is a good one, but if you do I'd personally try to avoid any L-Amp.

and you guys were talking about Damage and the danger of drugs. Yea I am curious as well I feel as though Marijuana isn't harmless doing it for months at a time daily I think it can lead to changes in brain Chemistry and it can cause you to be slower, F""" ur memory , Feel spacey Cloudy but after a few months of abstinence it goes back to Normal your mental functions etc . I wanted to know though how the brain damage from Amphetamine looks like? and what happens to those Dopamine receptors and how it effects your ability to feel pleasure in Life especially Meth that sh'' is f''' I read about it such a high discharge of Dopamine and then the levels plummit there is deff damage done to the braiN I wonder if it is irreversible? and how do you feel Dead Calm??? What about your body weight now where are you at??? How many days did you binge for??
and may I ask if other aspects of your life are working out for you? family, school, work whatever you deal with???

Dopamine levels do return, can take a while depending on how bad you've been with it but it will right itself eventually. Im not a Dr obviously but i think if your dopamine receptors are fried you have parkinsons disease, well I've never met a speed freak with parkinsons so i dont think it can permanently damage your dopamine levels. I have binged for 1 day, and I've binged for an entire year at a time, sometimes staying up for 9 or 10 days straight. Im still skinny and always will be but im ten stone now so nowhere near as bad as a few years back. Got a job, a house, and a family. Speed has been a huge part of my life for so long but i wouldnt lose anything close to me for it, its not worth it!

I believe the bigger problem with weed is that it slows the transportation of DA. From when it's released, the transporters take it to where it can get in contact with the receptors. Weed increases the transporters speed, and I think releases some DA. Over time it makes it so you have naturally slower transportation, possibly damaged receptors (But I think that takes a long time, where meth could do it quicker), and possibly a few other problems along those lines. That's my understanding.
And I agree it definitely can be problematic, and it's definitely addictive. Not meth addictive but way more addictive than 99% of users realize.

The problem I've noticed, is that heavy smokers quit, and so many of them can do it cold turkey, but at the THREE WEEK POINT, they get depressed, don't even consider that it's related, and go back to smoking to help this depression. Many do this every time they quit. and JUST ABOUT NONE OF THEM REALIZE IT. I could guess why, possibly something to do with the body storing THC for weeks especially in heavy smokers, and that THC might have some DA effect we don't take into account (not giving a real high feeling, but still releasing some DA). That's just specualation though, all I know is by the month point after quitting, most heavy smokers are back at it. I wish more people clued in to this, I've heard so many times "I stopped smoking for 5 days, I feel fine, there's no negative effect so I'm going back to smoking", or, they get depressed after weeks and go back, not realizing the depression is related. Any thoughts?

Dopamine levels do return, can take a while depending on how bad you've been with it but it will right itself eventually. Im not a Dr obviously but i think if your dopamine receptors are fried you have parkinsons disease, well I've never met a speed freak with parkinsons so i dont think it can permanently damage your dopamine levels. I have binged for 1 day, and I've binged for an entire year at a time, sometimes staying up for 9 or 10 days straight. Im still skinny and always will be but im ten stone now so nowhere near as bad as a few years back. Got a job, a house, and a family. Speed has been a huge part of my life for so long but i wouldnt lose anything close to me for it, its not worth it!

Meth can most definitely be a cause of Parkinsons, I think this is well known. Just one use noticably raises your chance of getting it I've read. I don't have a source handy and I'm not about to go searching right now, but I know that meth use can cause parkinsons. Also, damage to your DA receptors is measurable from one big use, that's been proven. Not only are they way over stimulated by the DA rush, but unlike something like weed, meth also oxidizes (correct word? not sure) the DA neurotransmitters, which is probably even more toxic than the DA rush.

Agreed. My issue began when I was prescribed vyvanse.

I began using around 5~20mg of methamphetamine daily in place of it. The drug can occasionally get the best of me, but it's more psychological. I will get bad thoughts. Dark intentions.

Regardless, the withdrawals are not fun. Very underrated. Trying to quit amphetamine cold turkey after daily use has one asking themselves the question as they try to get out of bed, "Why?".

I agree, I've never been an addict, but knowing some I'd say that it's way underrated how bad the WDs are. I know someone who was a meth addict at one point, a major H addict at another, and says stopping meth was incomparably worse.

 

[Dread calm]

Ok, sir thizzalot i stand corrected regarding meth and parkinsons. I dont know enough about the facts to argue, all i can say is I've never witnessed anything first hand that would confirm a link between the two, but hey i guess we're still pretty young and there's still plenty of time for such damage to present itself.
I've often wondered if pre or post loading of drugs such as L-Dopa or Ropinerole would give your brain much needed aid regarding dopamine depletion, havent found any experiences of such a practice however. I've had a box of ropinerole in the cupboard for over a year but i dont want to touch it because of the possibility of making my already exhausted receptors even More lazy. Again, not being a Dr in any field i can only comment on experience alone.

 

[sir_thizzalot]

Ok, sir thizzalot i stand corrected regarding meth and parkinsons. I dont know enough about the facts to argue, all i can say is I've never witnessed anything first hand that would confirm a link between the two, but hey i guess we're still pretty young and there's still plenty of time for such damage to present itself.
I've often wondered if pre or post loading of drugs such as L-Dopa or Ropinerole would give your brain much needed aid regarding dopamine depletion, havent found any experiences of such a practice however. I've had a box of ropinerole in the cupboard for over a year but i dont want to touch it because of the possibility of making my already exhausted receptors even More lazy. Again, not being a Dr in any field i can only comment on experience alone.

I'm no doctor either... but I recommend you STAY WITH YOUR FIRST INSTINCT and don't do it. I used to start loading up on l-tyrosine or n-acetyl-l-tyrosine when an amp crash started, and it does really help the crash, in some cases it practically gets you high again, but I REALLY feel this is really bad for you.

I say that based on my experiences, I feel like a couple uses, vs a couple uses AND loading up big on tyrosine (or l-dopa or anything similar) for the crash and after, makes it so you kind of avoid the crash right then (in the case of taking tryosine), but a couple days later, when your level would be up again anyway (DA restores pretty quick), you're a little more off from the use of amp+tyrosine. Hard to explain but I think that does it. It's somehwat minor, but you're doing it EVERY time you use, and it adds up.

My theory is that more DA and NE to release = more receptor over stimulation... pretty basic thought, but it does make sense. All that being said, I really doubt there will be any real concrete answer for us on this as far as if I'm right, it's not like it's going to be a top topic of study.. All we have is everyones experiences on this.
I guess if it's either taking some l-dopa or tyrosine (I think the later has less side effects), or having some deep suicidal-like depression like some people get in a crash, maby the tyrosine's better... but watch it!

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Sir thizzalot you have a heck load of knowledge on Neuroscience.. Where did you acquire it?? What do you study?
I am still tracking this thread I just have other things to do hence the reason that I didn't input any more into it. Ok Amphetamine at the dosage I did it I realized I wouldn'T get addicted to them, and yea the stuff I took 75 percent certainty that it was Amphetamines. I wanted to ask though what effects do Amphetamines have on Memory, Memory storage ability to study ability to comprehend??? and do you feel like amphetamine increase your ability in Physical performance like running weight lifting. I think they do, I recon if somebody took one line of Amphetamine waited ten minutes and went for a run they would run longer and they would be more effective at running& better able to exert themselves . I notice this when I drink a strong cup of coffee before my runs I tire less easily and I exert myself better. I read on caffeine one of the reasons it has positive effects on exercise has to do with it being able to free fatty acids or it lets your body use your stored energy more efficiently I would think that Amphetamines would work similiarily???
I asked a lot of questions earlier on Benzos and Amphetamines How do you compare the two sirthizzalot????

WHo would note that there are similiarities between a benzodiazepine high and an amphetamine high in certain aspects??? The only difference I see is that high doses of Benzos lead to sedation lower doses provide mild stimulation and with Amphetamines you have to urge to move . By the way Dead Calm maybe you are right I have good knowledge too and I would think that Alcohol is more damaging than amphetamines for certain You just know that it doesn't do your body good the next day when your hungover and you feel like shit you know Alcohol puts a strain on your body. But when you take Amphetamines there is teeth grinding, and tachycardia and certain effects but the next day you don't feel a real hangover( maybe Lethargy that is what I felt, slightly less pleasure and Very low depression) I find that the Alcohol hangover is the worst after effect the next day that you can experience, the dizzy feeling, disorientation, sick feeling it sucks ass. I started to drink a lot less I would drink more I hate the sick feeling associated with alcohol when you start to drink in excess of 3 drinks.

Besides I have more questions for you all. This is in regard to MDMA/???? How do people usually die from MDMA?? I am confused is it that some people have an allergic reaction to it???? Do you think that the chemical MDMA is toxic??? why do some people die but others don't??/ On Erowid it states out of 100 000 people one person who takes E can die. Besides I know a lot of MDMA that is sold out there especially in certain places isn't always MDMA( it is cut with toxic drugs materials etc) but possibly something else and there are even warnings on internet news etc for people to be careful. I wanted to ask another question although this isn't the forum for it but Sirthizalot are you familiar with Synthetic Cannabis??? I wanted to know how people die from that??/ I have smoked it many times and I never had a problem to with I can't understand how people die from it??? yea I heard about one situation in Florida where a kid drowned after he smoked the blend but obvious it can happen with anything else too... That got so much publicity too Teen dies from Synthetic Cannabis but it happens with Alcohol regular weed and other substances as well.... I don't think that the material within synthetic cannabis could lead to a body reaction that would kill a person the only way a person could die from it is if it was tainted with something else!!!!

I believe the bigger problem with weed is that it slows the transportation of DA. From when it's released, the transporters take it to where it can get in contact with the receptors. Weed increases the transporters speed, and I think releases some DA. Over time it makes it so you have naturally slower transportation, possibly damaged receptors (But I think that takes a long time, where meth could do it quicker), and possibly a few other problems along those lines. That's my understanding.
And I agree it definitely can be problematic, and it's definitely addictive. Not meth addictive but way more addictive than 99% of users realize.

The problem I've noticed, is that heavy smokers quit, and so many of them can do it cold turkey, but at the THREE WEEK POINT, they get depressed, don't even consider that it's related, and go back to smoking to help this depression. Many do this every time they quit. and JUST ABOUT NONE OF THEM REALIZE IT. I could guess why, possibly something to do with the body storing THC for weeks especially in heavy smokers, and that THC might have some DA effect we don't take into account (not giving a real high feeling, but still releasing some DA). That's just specualation though, all I know is by the month point after quitting, most heavy smokers are back at it. I wish more people clued in to this, I've heard so many times "I stopped smoking for 5 days, I feel fine, there's no negative effect so I'm going back to smoking", or, they get depressed after weeks and go back, not realizing the depression is related. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Hey I think that it could be true, but they need to do research with it. THC does get stored. But does it have any psychoactive effects while being stored??? most studies concluded it doesn't and at what quantity is it stored in the brain??? after the last use we have to take these factors into account but THC is stored in Bodily fat.

How addictive is synthetic Cannabis???? I smoked that stuff recently but irregularly like I would use it stop for a month or two and then hit it again but lately it hasn't been at a state where I am high everyday or so just once a week so is that addiction???

give me your input I hate this synthetic Cannabis worse shit I ever tried. I tried it back in October November and since then till now May I have been using it on and off there came a point where I used it 4 times in a week which is a lot to me cause I am a student and I have to study a lot . The only side effect I notice is that the next day sometimes I would feel a fucked up hangover. How can I completely kick this crap ??? I would sometimes think about getting high not all the time but sometimes it would happen and the place where I live this stuff is legal they don't sell it in powder but in Herbal form. Can somebody give me some advice about how to stop usage? or should I take this to the Synthetic cannabis forum if there is one???

The thing with me and this Synthetic Cannabis is I don't use it 24/7 but there would come a time where I would use it and then stop for a month or two and then go at it again. Very irregular use but not Daily 24/7 use that some people have experienced, So any feedback from anybody?? am I having a psychological addiction to this how can I kick it? is it Physically addictive??

 

[sir_thizzalot]

Sir thizzalot you have a heck load of knowledge on Neuroscience.. Where did you acquire it?? What do you study?
I am still tracking this thread I just have other things to do hence the reason that I didn't input any more into it. Ok Amphetamine at the dosage I did it I realized I wouldn'T get addicted to them, and yea the stuff I took 75 percent certainty that it was Amphetamines. I wanted to ask though what effects do Amphetamines have on Memory, Memory storage ability to study ability to comprehend??? and do you feel like amphetamine increase your ability in Physical performance like running weight lifting. I think they do, I recon if somebody took one line of Amphetamine waited ten minutes and went for a run they would run longer and they would be more effective at running& better able to exert themselves . I notice this when I drink a strong cup of coffee before my runs I tire less easily and I exert myself better. I read on caffeine one of the reasons it has positive effects on exercise has to do with it being able to free fatty acids or it lets your body use your stored energy more efficiently I would think that Amphetamines would work similiarily???
I asked a lot of questions earlier on Benzos and Amphetamines How do you compare the two sirthizzalot????

I don't have any more study in it than the average person would school wise, I've mostly just read up a lot on it, along with knowing a lot of doctors who are really into it. There's a chance I'll do more schooling in this direction later..

Amps effect on memory, for me, is increased a little bit while high, decreased while crashing, nothing major in the days following. Maby if I'd been using a lot, then stopped, I might have a bit of a worse memory for some time, but I haven't ever really used amps enough to know for sure.
Some people love exercise and working out on amps. Throughout high school I knew many people who liked doing that in various school sports. Personally I hate it, too much raised heartbeat for my liking, I'd rather do most activities like you're talking about sober. Sports that'd dont require tons of running I do enjoy on d-amp though.
It's on the more "stored energy" side of things, the NE release makes you want to move (most people), so running is obviously fitting of that. The DA release might give you more motivation to be active too, and make it more enjoyable, just about every DA releasing drug does for me, I hate doing feel good drugs while sitting around being lazy.

Besides I have more questions for you all. This is in regard to MDMA/???? How do people usually die from MDMA?? I am confused is it that some people have an allergic reaction to it???? Do you think that the chemical MDMA is toxic??? why do some people die but others don't??/ On Erowid it states out of 100 000 people one person who takes E can die. Besides I know a lot of MDMA that is sold out there especially in certain places isn't always MDMA( it is cut with toxic drugs materials etc) but possibly something else and there are even warnings on internet news etc for people to be careful. I wanted to ask another question although this isn't the forum for it but Sirthizalot are you familiar with Synthetic Cannabis??? I wanted to know how people die from that??/ I have smoked it many times and I never had a problem to with I can't understand how people die from it??? yea I heard about one situation in Florida where a kid drowned after he smoked the blend but obvious it can happen with anything else too... That got so much publicity too Teen dies from Synthetic Cannabis but it happens with Alcohol regular weed and other substances as well.... I don't think that the material within synthetic cannabis could lead to a body reaction that would kill a person the only way a person could die from it is if it was tainted with something else!!!!

MDMA causing death is fairly rare. It's usually dehydration that truely causes the death. When pills with legit mdma are cut with meth it increases the chance a little. The deaths you hear about, are almost all NOT from mdma, but fake E instead. It's still going to be called "ecstasy overdose" in the news.

Yes, it is toxic, basic explanation would be that it's toxit to your serotonin system and to your dopamine to too some extent. There's probably other systems it stresses out too, including some cardiotoxicity. Deadly? Not like the people at the news station think it is, but it can be on rare occasions. Toxic? definitely, so it's good to limit use to at most every 6 weeks (that's with clean mdma, which is rare. Waiting several months would be ideal, and it makes each time more memorable).

I don't know much about spice and all the synthetic cannabis, after reading things like "I smoked spice for a while and now I never enjoy weed at all, it ruined the high forever), and things about people doing insanely stupid shit on them, I decided that's a class of drugs I don't need to look into. Look up jwh-018, it at least used to be the most common one I believe.

I believe the bigger problem with weed is that it slows the transportation of DA. From when it's released, the transporters take it to where it can get in contact with the receptors. Weed increases the transporters speed, and I think releases some DA. Over time it makes it so you have naturally slower transportation, possibly damaged receptors (But I think that takes a long time, where meth could do it quicker), and possibly a few other problems along those lines. That's my understanding.
And I agree it definitely can be problematic, and it's definitely addictive. Not meth addictive but way more addictive than 99% of users realize.

The problem I've noticed, is that heavy smokers quit, and so many of them can do it cold turkey, but at the THREE WEEK POINT, they get depressed, don't even consider that it's related, and go back to smoking to help this depression. Many do this every time they quit. and JUST ABOUT NONE OF THEM REALIZE IT. I could guess why, possibly something to do with the body storing THC for weeks especially in heavy smokers, and that THC might have some DA effect we don't take into account (not giving a real high feeling, but still releasing some DA). That's just specualation though, all I know is by the month point after quitting, most heavy smokers are back at it. I wish more people clued in to this, I've heard so many times "I stopped smoking for 5 days, I feel fine, there's no negative effect so I'm going back to smoking", or, they get depressed after weeks and go back, not realizing the depression is related. Any thoughts?

Hey I think that it could be true, but they need to do research with it. THC does get stored. But does it have any psychoactive effects while being stored??? most studies concluded it doesn't and at what quantity is it stored in the brain??? after the last use we have to take these factors into account but THC is stored in Bodily fat.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd believe it's not active once it's storred. I only made that guess due to the fact that I see so many people get to the 2-4 week point feeling just fine after quitting, then in that small time frame get really depressed and go back to smoking. It's more than random cravings, because it's always in that small time frame. I'll probably never know for sure what the reason is.

 

[sir_thizzalot]

I didn't read every part of all those posts but you asked about benzos compared to amps- they're basically complete opposite. Amphetamines are some of the strongest stimulants, benzos are some strong downers. That's strange they're so similar for you, just shows everybody reacts differently to different drugs. For examples, xanax makes me down and not at all social, I've not done it much but I don't intend to in the future. Klonopin also makes me down, kind of social though in an alcohol way, but not as social as drinking, and a lot more of a downer feeling than alcohol gives me. You're not the only one who gets some energy, but it's not the most common effect.

 

[tricomb]

Please refrain from making seven consecutive posts.

 

[Dread calm]

I believe a lot of if not most MDMA related deaths have been related to hyponatremia from drinking TOO much water resulting in depleted sodium and glucose levels in the blood. This coupled with the decreased kidney functions caused by mdma results in multiple organ failure. The problem with this is that most of these deaths could've been avoided by simple harm reduction education. Sadly that would be a far too logical solution for our government, they would rather use scare mongering. They still havent got it into their thick heads that if people want to try mdma they will regardless of being told it WILL kill you. Some simple education would've saved so many of those lives.

Mdma is actually a remarkably safe compound when used properly and in sensible amounts, yes it has toxic levels but so does water, oxygen and everything else on the planet. I wish the government would realise that their stupid propaganda isn't going to stop people doing these drugs, so start educating on how to do them safely. Just my $0.02

 

[sir_thizzalot]

Mdma is actually a remarkably safe compound when used properly and in sensible amounts, yes it has toxic levels but so does water, oxygen and everything else on the planet. I wish the government would realise that their stupid propaganda isn't going to stop people doing these drugs, so start educating on how to do them safely. Just my $0.02

I fucking hate when you people compare mdma to water.

Wait, nevermind, you're right, I'd forgotten we need ecstasy every day to stay alive, just like water and their toxic amounts aren't complete opposite or anything like that. Why don't they include mdma in kids vitamins yet?

 

[Dread calm]

Oh come on, you know full well what i meant!

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

I know what you are talking about DreadCalm I don't think rolling once is dangerous I just think you can't trust drug dealers cause sometimes they don't sell you MDMA but methamphetamine or amphetamine pills or PMA a toxin.

 

[Dread calm]

You're absolutely right, you cant trust any street drug. Unless you can get it tested, i could be anything.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

I didn't read every part of all those posts but you asked about benzos compared to amps- they're basically complete opposite. Amphetamines are some of the strongest stimulants, benzos are some strong downers. That's strange they're so similar for you, just shows everybody reacts differently to different drugs. For examples, xanax makes me down and not at all social, I've not done it much but I don't intend to in the future. Klonopin also makes me down, kind of social though in an alcohol way, but not as social as drinking, and a lot more of a downer feeling than alcohol gives me. You're not the only one who gets some energy, but it's not the most common effect.

Hey Sirthizzalot deff though I took 5-6 Klonazepam Pills about 2.5 mg all together of Clonazepam and I went out to the bar with a few friends I became so social at the bar and I sat down with Random people that I just met and I started cracking jokes with them and there was a blond girl there I was flirting with her as well. People knew I was on something they suspected I took coke. They asked me straight up but I didn't really give them a thorough reply. The Benzos effected me in a way that made me more able to talk I felt more social although my memory was skewed and I was talking on and on. I felt a euphoria as well. I am a generally social person so benzos and amphetamines make me even more social and the euphoria I feel is the same. The only real difference I feel with Amphetamines and Benzos is that with the Benzo I felt a better high than with the amphetamines cause I felt no nervousness, no jitteriness with amphetamines as I stated before I feel the urge, to move to do something physical but with Benzos I feel mild stimulation later on in the night with benzos though I feel sedated that I do admit especially if I combine them with Alcohol. I like the Amphetamine high though and I can admit why it is addictive !!! I love to drink coffee as well but benzos they are better cause with Amphetamines even when I took 1-2 lines I am a naive user as stated before I am walking towards the entrance of the club and freaking out and feeling a little paranoid like oh do the bouncers and security people know I am high??? but with Benzos I never felt like that , I can't feel paranoid on them. Makes me wonder what would happen if I combined a small dose of Benzos such as Xanax up to 1 mg with a small dosage of amphetamines would the effects cancel each other out???

I didn't read every part of all those posts but you asked about benzos compared to amps- they're basically complete opposite. Amphetamines are some of the strongest stimulants, benzos are some strong downers. That's strange they're so similar for you, just shows everybody reacts differently to different drugs. For examples, xanax makes me down and not at all social, I've not done it much but I don't intend to in the future. Klonopin also makes me down, kind of social though in an alcohol way, but not as social as drinking, and a lot more of a downer feeling than alcohol gives me. You're not the only one who gets some energy, but it's not the most common effect.

Yea with Clonazepam the effect last a lot longer than xanax in the start it is Mild stimulation for me but later on during the night I feel more and more sedated especially if I drink while taking them. With Xanax I feel a strong Euphoric feeling and that is followed by an urge to socialize, and mild stimulation and then after 1 hour or 1.30 hour I am back to baseline but I need to take at least 1 mg of Xanax to feel like this it gives me the urge to dance as well I used Xanax as a party drug at a club weird Huh??? .
Well as I am describing drugs I will describe what Amphetamines felt like to me even after a small dose 1-2 lines I felt a high, my friend told me a pharmacist made the amphetamines we took either we took potent stuff or my tolerance is low which I think both would be the case. Positive effects I noted where just like a new feeling of energy, feeling awake , feeling my energy restored and all hints of fatigue dropped and an urge to do physical activity I raced my friend and I pushed my self harder than ever he is a soccer player and I am just an average guy yet I was following him just slightly behind him, this was my first time Sublingual I didn't feel too much euphoria I noted side effects, Nervousness, Jitters, low level of paranoia, I also noted excessive talking and rapid talking sometimes I speak to fast that I don't thoroughly think thru what I would say but when it comes out it makes sense! Second time I took amphetamines I noted a warm feeling from a small dab less than 1/4 of a line that I placed on my gums and this warm feeling was stronger than the benzos I took. I also get the urge to smoke ciggaretes whilst on speed I would easily smoke 10-15 ciggs while high during the 2 hour period and I would always feel my speed high returning when I smoked a cigg.
Do other people feel this?

<NO SOURCING>

I believe a lot of if not most MDMA related deaths have been related to hyponatremia from drinking TOO much water resulting in depleted sodium and glucose levels in the blood. This coupled with the decreased kidney functions caused by mdma results in multiple organ failure. The problem with this is that most of these deaths could've been avoided by simple harm reduction education. Sadly that would be a far too logical solution for our government, they would rather use scare mongering. They still havent got it into their thick heads that if people want to try mdma they will regardless of being told it WILL kill you. Some simple education would've saved so many of those lives.

Mdma is actually a remarkably safe compound when used properly and in sensible amounts, yes it has toxic levels but so does water, oxygen and everything else on the planet. I wish the government would realise that their stupid propaganda isn't going to stop people doing these drugs, so start educating on how to do them safely. Just my $0.02

Dread Calm I feel you man, Completely. I think the governments of the worlds countries need to make some changes in regards to Drug laws. Maybe some drugs
should be kept completely illegal, Crack Cocaine, Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, Morphine these Drugs and any other of that potency should be kept illegal. But I think the world governments should not only have Marijuana dispensaries but dispensaries for other substances or a controlled method to sell the substances such as amphetamines,MDMA,
Mephedrone etc. I know you can get amphetamines with prescription but they should make things easier for people who want to obtain MDMA and such substances and that way quality control could be ensued and and we would have better safety and less deaths in Regards to Drugs and I hate it when People look at all drugs like its the worst thing on the Earth, My family hate Marijuana so so much I admit it is bad but I don't think it is worst thing on the world and it being illegal in the part of the world where I live makes matters worse because it enhances the negative image of drugs. When something is illegal we have a negative view of it??? you know what I mean??

 

[Dread calm]

I know exactly what you mean. I had an argument only the other day with someone that said 'i hate all drugs, especially heroin' to which i replied "So if one day, god forbid you are in hospital with a very painful ailment and a Dr offered you a dose of iv diamorphine for the pain, you would refuse and stay in excruciating pain on the grounds that you HATE drugs?" the response i got was "but that isn't heroin is it?"
you cant argue with ignorance, education is the key when it comes to drugs, and harm reduction forums like this should be much More widespread. Its the about time the government realised that scare tactics simply dont work!

 

[tricomb]

Aguywholikessmoke, You need to learn to use the edit post function instead of posting consecutive posts. It looks like this