Stimulants Amphetamine and Methamphetamine addiction advice( Need help)

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Ok I won't disclose my location due to privacy reasons. I will state that I am in a country of the European Union. I am not new to the drug scene but I have never tried Amfetamin or Speed before. I have tried Clonazepam 5-6 times,Alprazolam"xanax" about 10 times , Marijuana quite a few times and obviously I like to drink 3-4 times a week (the drinking has been going on during the past 2 months). Now here is my story about Speed which my friend stated was Amphetamine although I am not certain. One month ago there was a big party in the city where I live and study it is a Students city. My friend invites me over for a drinking session when I come there, there is a few of us about 4. He bought .5 grams of speed, I asked him what it was he told me it was amphetamine. He is young about 20 years old and he has been using for the past year and a half. So decided to take some that night I didn't snort or IV or swallow I took it Sub-lingually Powdered form and let it dissolve on my gums The amount was around a line or a line and a half not a significant quantity. We drank quite a bit that night as well 5-6 drinks each of us and we took the speed before going to the club before 12 o clock. The main person I will call him G he took .4 grams my other friend D took a line just like me Sub-lingually and I took a line to a line and a half Sub-lingually. After taking it the effect that I felt was A strong surge of Energy I suddenly felt the urge to race Running race with my friend and I ran the fastest I ever ran, but at the same time I had side effects Anxiety,Paranoia(low) Jittery and when I got to the club I was a bit jumpy anxious as well as Energetic I didn't feel Euphoric or Happy though , It wasn't too pleasurable slight paranoia later on the negative effect subsided and I felt just a good surge of Energy and slight Euphoria The overall high was at tops 2 hours long and just from a line and a half(Sub-lingually). People say it can cause sleeping problems after the party though I had no problem falling asleep and I slept good. The next day at school I had some after effects but not significant I just talked less than usual felt less social and a slight loss of energy with a slight Lethargic feeling, I am a very social person and it was noticeable that day that I wasn't as social but the next day was okay .For the next 30 days I had not a single thought about Speed or about doing it, I am very scared of the drug and I know of the harms and risks and I hear stories about meth all the time and how it ruins people and how it changes there looks and what happens to people. Although I don't know if what I took was meth my friend told me it was speed Amfetamin. What do you guys on here think????? you are the pros!!!! So on to the rest of the story 30 days pass. My friend G I saw him earlier during the 30 days we did hang out but no drug usage was involved but at the end of the 30 days. Once again there is a big party in town it is a University town, and he invites me over to the flat same drill I buy alcohol and my other friends buy Alcohol we drink Beer, Wine and Vodka mixed with Fanta. 'G" had speed at his flat again he told me a pharmacist produced it and that it was Amfetamin again. G took a lot again about .45 grams alone alone I don't know if this is a high dosage but he was telling me its nothing this isn't addictive it is just psychological addiction and he told me how he had friends who would take 1 gram for a night alone and 2 grams for a night alone for partying ??? Do you think he was bs me or ??? The speed was in White powdered form, Location Europe. So one of my friends D he took a line or half a line sublingually and I took a quarter of a line Sublingually 10 minutes later I felt an effect just Energy Euphoria no Paranoia whatsoever I felt Bliss and smoking a cigarette seemed to intensify the effect by 10 fold It was short lived as it was a quarter of a line i felt like this for about 15 minutes then returned to Normal. Now my friend poured a line( Speed) into my drink and dissolved it with my Vodka Orange juice. So now I took it Orally again all before the party. it was 11.30. We got to the party at 12.10 this time the effect was similiar to the last time although I noticed when I took it Orally it came on Gradually( Less anxiety,Paranoia) and it felt like a strong cup of Coffee at first around 12.10 around 12.45 I felt very social and I would talk about all types of things and talk to many people but we did drink a bit of alcohol as well I don't know what effect this had on the speed high but some people could tell I took something . This time around I had no Paranoia at all or Anxious Scared feeling, I just felt Energetic, Happy, Euphoric and a bit disoriented with speed I feel sharper and more focused but at the same time it causes an out of body feeling to me I don't know why like I don't what I am doing or what is going on everything is too fast!!?!?! and the effect lasted till 2 o clock once again only about 2 hours or so but from a single line Orally(Swallowed) I think I have a low tolerance to amfetamin as I am not a daily user these were the only two times in my life two lines each time The second time around Sleep came hard though I had to take Trazodone 75 mg to fall asleep and I slept from 7 am to 11.30 Am 4 and a half hours felt crappy all day due to sleep deprivation and Lethargic and slightly depressed today. I sometimes experience sleeping problems after Parties though from only consuming Alcohol as it causes a bit of anxiety in me sometimes so this is normal for me, and I get insomnia occasionally as well because last night we stayed at the party till 5 am and at 5 I felt really tired at the party no Energy whatsoever but when I got home had alittle problem falling asleep perhaps psychological!!>>??My friend G does it a lot more often he did it on Friday last night and he claims he isn't addicted.
So I wanted to ask the Bluelight community after reading about my experience this happened 2 times (small amount) in the past 2 months 30 days between both occasions do you think I will become an addict?? What are my risks for addiction?/ What can I do to stay clear of speed/???? How long does it take to get addicted? With the amount I took what is the risk for addiction?? And what drug did I take Amfetamin or Mefamfetamin?? I am not certain.
Which is more dangerous?

Help me out.
One more note, Between the two usages I felt no urges or cravings to use Speed whatsoever.!!! Although I did use Synthetic Cannabis a lot more often and get cravings to use that sometimes but I am no stoner.

 

[Dread calm]

You can find out the difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine by a simple search, which will save me lots of time trying to explain. Basically they're both speed, meth is stronger. Addiction is (according to the experts) psychological and any withdrawals felt after using is simply due to fatigue, sleep deprivation, and depleted dopamine. However i disagree with this as i have experienced long term meth withdrawals which were as physical as a punch in the head, months of absolute exhaustion, aches, gastric disturbances. So the addiction/dependence argument still rages on, but those who have been through it know the reality of long term speed abuse. All of this however comes long after the first couple of times u try it, im talking repeated use to get through comedowns, escalating to daily use just to get through a normal day, then when you cant get desired effects anymore moving onto IV use which is when you're already well in the deep end. You're such a long way off this level though, and if you want to avoid speed in future just dont do it again. You're not going to get physically dependent on it even with semi regular use because Amphetamines dont work that way. The doses you took were minimal, you didnt redose into the next day, you questioned the effects/side effects, and consequences of it so I'd say you're pretty safe. Just remember, not too much, and not too often.

 

[sir_thizzalot]

Try using that enter key a few times if you want people to actually read this page long paragraph.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

ok will do sirthizzalot. I read the response thanks a lot Dread calm. I understand the risks and I think I will stay clear of it.
Semi regular usage understandable. Yea I know Meth is a lot worse than Amphetamine and I heard it reaches the brain a lot faster.

one more question?? my friend sayed what I took was Amphetamine not Methamphetamine the only reason I worry is cause you can't trust drug dealers they fuck peoples lives. And when I described my high what did it sound like Meth or Amphetamine??
Thanks again.

Dread Calm... How did it start with you? may I ask??? How much did you take the first time you tried speed? was it meth or amphetamine How many lines? and how did you get addicted?? Explain Thanks again.

I feel like my friend G he could develop a problem as he took .45 g that night and I told him you have to becareful you could become addicted and he is a good guy we are both students but he states he knows people that take 1g or 2 g in a single night and he states that he isn't worried about addiction because he thinks his dosage isn't significant but he uses Amphetamines irregularly as well. but he took them last week and this week. I realized drug usage is social as well I will still be friends with him but I probably won't hang with him when he is tweaking and when your drunk or on booze ur more likely to say sure I will take that down. I think snorting is worse than swallowing oral ingestion? but what do you two think???
Thanks

 

[Cyanoide]

one more question?? my friend sayed what I took was Amphetamine not Methamphetamine the only reason I worry is cause you can't trust drug dealers they fuck peoples lives. And when I described my high what did it sound like Meth or Amphetamine??
Thanks again.

The absolutely most easy way to tell if you've taken speed or meth is the duration. Meth has a much longer duration. If you snort it and you still are tweaky after 4-5 hours, it's meth. If the effects start dropping after 2-3 hours, it's speed.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

allright Cyanoide I understand. I felt that the high was 2 hours long Euphoria Energy and Happy feeling& Speedy feeling . But I stopped feeling tweaky after 3 hours, however Left the party at 5 AM didn't feel the high at all anymore after 3 Am however ,I had a hard time falling asleep this morning I feel asleep at 7 AM and had to take trazodone( Sedating Antidepressant) to fall asleep. I didn't feel the energy I felt from 12 to 3 in the morning associated with the high while trying to fall asleep just a bit restless around 6 7 in the morning. I think its due to partying as well.
What is your view?

 

[Dread calm]

The thing is, i cant really give any kind of answer in relation to how much your friend is doing. When it comes to illicit amphetamine its the most messed about with drug on the streets, saying he did .45 that night means nothing because i cant gauge the quality of the stuff. I've had base amphetamine so strong that .45 would keep a naive user awake for 24 straight hours, but considering a lot of street speed can be as little as 10% pure he may have only taken 45mg of actual Amphet, which is nothing.
I first used speed (UK amphetamine sulphate) in the mid 90s when we would go out raving at the weekend, would do enough to keep us up Fri/sat then we'd spend Sunday crashing ready for work on Monday. That kind of weekend use went on for a few years and wasnt every weekend so no real issue there, just using speed as a tool to have more fun. The problems started for me when i started to HATE coming down, as soon as i felt the buzz wearing off i would redose, even if we were on our way home from a party. So predictably my tolerance grew with my increasing doses and before i knew it i was getting home Sunday morning and staying up instead of crashing. Monday morning comes round and i still havent slept so another few dabs of phet just to get me through work on a Monday, then it quickly became every day. After about a year of that i was using 3.5g base amphetamine a day, and it was potent stuff too. But things got worse.
After a while it just wasnt doing much, i was eating and sleeping normally and the amp was just keeping me functioning but only just. I weighed 8st (im 6 ft tall) and after 4 years of that i was just a wreck, managed to hold down a job though. I managed to stop for nearly an envire year, then i discovered crystal meth and things were quickly even worse than before. An entire week up at a time, not eating or sleeping and getting sod all done. Meth grabs hold of you so quickly, certainly more so if you've had a taste of amps before like i had. I Wont go into how bad it got but it was bad, ridiculous in fact and im shocked i lived through it especially seeing the pics of me back then.
So now you know how speed use 'can' escalate from just casual use, but that doesnt mean the same will happen to you, i was just an idiot and you sound pretty sane to be fair. If you dont want it, stay away. If you wanna use casually now and then just remember not too much, and not too often and you're home safe. Stimulant abuse is one of the worst things you can put your body through, but theres a big difference between use and abuse, and sensible use of amphets i dont think is any harder on your body than normal weekend drinking, less so If anything.
Play safe dude, it can be a great drug in sensible hands.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

great response and good input. I see 8 stone that is 114 pound or 55 kg for a 6 foot guy that is ridiculously low anorexic. I also see what you wrote about Purity. So that is how your addiction got started thanks for writing me a detailed response. How did your friends fare and did any of them get addicted??? and when you used amphetamine how much did you try on your first few times??? was it a single line like me or more??
Thanks for the reply

 

[Dread calm]

The friends i used with at the beginning all eventually kinda 'outgrew' the hard partying at weekends thing so none of them as far as i know ever had an issue with it. Many new speed freak friends came and went over the years, fellow heavy users were the only people i associated with after a while, its that common interest that attracts users to each other and also repels you from the rest of civilisation.
My first time using amphet, now there's a tricky one....... I honestly dont remember, i think i was still at school if im honest but it was only little bits here and there. I remember the routine before a rave more clearly which was when the using began properly for me, it wasn't lines then because the gear was always like a wet, oily paste. We'd all dig our finger in the bag in the car, pull out a bit of the rancid smelly shit, put it on our tongue and swallow with a drink. I guess the amount would equate to an average size line of powder. Tasted like shit, smelled of cat piss but was really strong, that one dab would keep us rushing most of the night. You could dry it out and snort it but it was hassle and burned like Fuck so it was just easier to eat raw or bomb it (wrap in a cigarette paper and swallow)

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

shit sounds intense it must have been real good speed I don't think they have that intense stuff around here and i am in Europe.

where you able to completely quit amphetamines and get your life back on track or do you still use occasionally? if I may ask. Yea Amphetamines have a weird taste and smell.

 

[Dread calm]

I'd love to be able to tell you i managed to stop completely, but that'd be bullshit. Havent touched meth in nearly 2 years, i completely broke contact from everyone i knew from the meth scene and as its still not all that common here i couldnt get it now even if i wanted it. But I'm afraid i still use more than casual amounts of amphet, I've been awake since 6am Monday, but this is the first binge I've had in about 3 months so its not all doom and gloom.
I dont know whereabouts in Europe you're from but some of the best amphet i had was from Poland, they love it over there, they're like crazy chewed up work horses! Bought a gram in Amsterdam once tho and it was clearly just a wrap me crushed up caffeine pills, which was annoying.

 

[tricomb]

The absolutely most easy way to tell if you've taken speed or meth is the duration. Meth has a much longer duration. If you snort it and you still are tweaky after 4-5 hours, it's meth. If the effects start dropping after 2-3 hours, it's speed.

This is just speculation though, we can't do substance ID.

For example, as I was cleaning my room last night I found a really old piece of foil with some melted shard on it, and temptation got the best of me, I still use methamphetamine but I never smoke it, but temptation got the best of me and about 1 hour after I blew that cloud, I was asleep.
So saying that meth will be tweaky for 4-5 hours doesn't apply to everyone.

 

[sir_thizzalot]

, and sensible use of amphets i dont think is any harder on your body than normal weekend drinking, less so If anything.
Play safe dude, it can be a great drug in sensible hands.

Sorry but that's just a stupid statement. "Sensible" use of meth once a week would definitely be worse for you than drinking once a week... Even normal amphetamine would be worse. Am I alone on this thought?

This is just speculation though, we can't do substance ID.

For example, as I was cleaning my room last night I found a really old piece of foil with some melted shard on it, and temptation got the best of me, I still use methamphetamine but I never smoke it, but temptation got the best of me and about 1 hour after I blew that cloud, I was asleep.
So saying that meth will be tweaky for 4-5 hours doesn't apply to everyone.

You smoked shards off foil?

I'd argue that to a naive user, only being high 2 hours, from snorted amphetamine would indicate non-meth amphetamine, but fair enough argument since he did have sleep problems a while later.

 

[Dread calm]

Ok maybe that statement was a bit misleading. How about i put it like this, i genuinely think that people who are prescribed therapeutic doses of amphets daily are doing less long term physical harm than weekend binge drinkers. Am i alone on this thought?

 

[Druidus]

Sorry but that's just a stupid statement. "Sensible" use of meth once a week would definitely be worse for you than drinking once a week... Even normal amphetamine would be worse. Am I alone on this thought?

Only relative to dose and ingestion concerns. A light dosing of a stimulant, amphetamine or methamphetamine, at low doses, quite rarely, perhaps used to stimulate writing output or simply to be more social for an evening, shouldn't be that dangerous to a healthy person of sound hydration and nutrition. Not "safe", not even "pot-safe", obviously. But I'd say quite a bit less damaging than binging on alcohol once a week until you black out and then unfortunately keep on drinking until you just pass out. Especially because even if addiction becomes an issue, AFAIK, only the alcohol withdrawal is potentially lethal. That said, it takes incredible control to space stimulant doses like this, when you really like the drug. If you have it, however, then once a week stims at low to moderate total dose is safer, at least, than alcohol once a week at high total dose.

 

[Dread calm]

^ you worded it so much better than me, but that's pretty much what i was getting at.
So, anyway....... What he said!!

 

[tricomb]

Ok maybe that statement was a bit misleading. How about i put it like this, i genuinely think that people who are prescribed therapeutic doses of amphets daily are doing less long term physical harm than weekend binge drinkers. Am i alone on this thought?

No, I agree with you, I'm prescribed Desoxyn and I like to think that taking 5-10mg every once in a while is nowhere near as damaging as people who binge easily taking more than 100mg, sometimes PER DOSE.

Sorry but that's just a stupid statement. "Sensible" use of meth once a week would definitely be worse for you than drinking once a week... Even normal amphetamine would be worse. Am I alone on this thought?



You smoked shards off foil?

I'd argue that to a naive user, only being high 2 hours, from snorted amphetamine would indicate non-meth amphetamine, but fair enough argument since he did have sleep problems a while later.

Yes, I smoked shards off foil, I have more control over the temperature and everything in general. IMO if you have good technique, you can get better results from foil than anything else. With glass pipes people CONSTANTLY over-heat it and don't factor in how long it takes for glass to cool down. It's all about technique though, with the right technique you can get just as good hits with glass, I'm not saying foil is best hands down, YMMV, but I'm so good with foil that, for example, I get just as satisfying a rush from smoking heroin than from injecting it, so there's no point for me to IV it unless I can't smoke it. I realize this thread's talking about methamphetamine but that's the best example I could come up with.

The only reason I like using a glass pipe is it collects resin.( frost )

But oh yeah, another very important thing, I rarely ever vaporize methamphetamine anymore (I used to bigtime, and IV, the whole shebang) because it's too fiendish. I much prefer to take it orally or rectally so I can actually enjoy the experience and go do something else while feeling euphoric. With vaporizing it, in my experience it's just you, or you and your group of friends passing around the pizzo for days on end It ruins the experience for me, and would advise any methamphetamine users reading this to give it a try, oral methamphetamine is the best way you can take it in my experience, although I like rectal because of it's near 100% bioavailability and instantaneous onset that makes you go weak in the knees, as a safer alternative to IV.

@OP, I hope your performing an acetone wash on your product! You can definitely feel the difference and I'm sure your lungs will thank you for not inhaling all the other bullshit dealers cut methamphetamine with.

 

[Dread calm]

I agree totally, once the IV flash wears off you're just sorta left in a strung out daze not really wanting to do anything other than hit it again. These days i find oral meth a much more functionable experience, a longer, smoother experience all round. Only thing i ever plugged was BZP, that was enough to put me off doing that again!

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

@sir_thizzalot the arguement is fair enough. This week when I used the Speed , I first took a one finger slight amount dab and let it dissolve on my gums.... 10 minutes later I felt a high come on it was a feeling of being dissolved a tranquil state and a feeling of closeness and warmness& sociality increased to others not to much paranoia or anxiety first time I used Speed one month ago I felt a lot of nervousness,paranoia and it wasn't a very euphoric experience it was more a fucked up strong ass rush of Energy where I got the urge to do physical exercise and move I raced my friend in a running race. I think Amphetamines do increase Athletic Performance no doubt. this time from just one dab dissolved on my gums I felt this and I was with friends and it was good cause I already drank a bit and we talked and I was more open and such but from this Dab I felt this effect for only 15 minutes or so then I was sober again. But then my friend dissolved that line into my vodka OJ and from that I felt a high that was 2 hours long. First time when I used Amphetamine one month ago I took it sub-lingually completely via dissolving on my gums and I felt a lot of side effects mainly Jittery, Nervous, Slight Paranoid feeling. This time around when I took it Orally no such side effects were noticed I was jittery again but only slightly and I would pace back and forth and have more movements than usual. @ dead calm I live in Hungary it is close to Poland and I think the Amphetamines here have the potential to be potent but when I looked up the statistics they aren't the most potent in Europe I think Poland has the most potent Amphetamines up to 75 % purity. This effects I noted where all from one line consumed each time. This wasn't my first drug use in my lifetime though. I had my times when I smoked Marijuana and I had a lot of experiences smoking Synthetic Cannabis maybe up to 50. I also had experiences with Benzos Xanax, CLonazepam, Bromazepam I only used them recreationally and not to often never got addicted and it is so hard to obtain them here only with a prescription and you need a very legitimate reason as to why you are using them. I wanted to note another thing what I noticed on Amphetamines although Benzos and Amphetamines are different classes of drugs certain effects they produce are similiar The effect of increased warmth with others, sociability and the euphoria they produce are similiar and I don't even know how people can use Amphetamines to study I think it is BS I find the high a bit dissociating as well but benzos dissociate me a lot more because you know what your doing but at the same time you feel like you lost control because your talk a hell load about nonsense or weird topics or you start out your conversations in a different manner ,,, did you guys experience this on amphetamines or was it because I had a lot to drink as well???? Yea with Benzos last time I took them was a year ago recreationally. But there were these similiarities I noted the euphoric effect Warmth feeling sociabilty of Benzos is similiar to Amphetamine.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

the doses I took of benzos where just 2-3 times that what is prescribed about 5-6 mg of Clonazepam in one night and I took them at hour intervals while at the club so I was higher longer than on Amphetamines. I fear the Amphetamine high and Speed in general I read and I hear about the destruction it causes all the time. I am a naive user of Amphetamine and I don't think I will go back to the stuff ever again I will stay void of it. I also wanted to ask if any of you used Marijuana? or Synthetic Cannabis? and how your experiences on that where? I feel as though Marijuana and especially the synthetic Cannabis can also wreak peoples lives and also cause addiction but Speed obviously is a lot more dangerous.With Speed and Benzos I notice the high is always the same or similiar maybe a tad bit different. But with Marijuana most certainly no high is alike one can be euphoric the other can be a feeling of anxiousness and paranoia and one high can live you feeling like a zombie. Synthetic Cannabis the highs are very similiar although sometimes the stuff causes bouts of laughter to every stupid little thing lol I had a good experience on that while riding in a taxi and I had a long ass conversation with the guy lol he ended up wanting to sell me a bottle of Good Liquor.