Aminorex Vs. 4MAR

[haribo1]

Hi,
From the articles I can find, plain aminorex is supposed to be 4x stronger than 4MAR. It's just as easy to make and unlike 4MAR, the precursors are not suspicious. I know aminorex has shown up in the US but I wondered if anyone had first-hand experience. I've had 4MAR and found it very good indeed. I suspect plain aminorex is more stimulant in nature but I'm not sure.
Another thing, you can use the cyanate route to make aminorex, 4MAR via cyanate only works with the cis isomers (I think).
Yet another thing, the aminorex skeleton would, as FSDoA states, make an ideal template for a new class of empathogenic drug. 3,4 methylenedioxy, 2,5 dimethoxy 4<TAKE YOUR PICK> from halides, alkoxy, thioalkoxy and so on. You could even make the dragonfly analogs (what would they be called, they don't LOOK like a dragonfly.

The first question I would really appreciate an answer, the rest is just conjecture.

Regards to all,
h

 

[almost-]

I tried aminorex - it's a pretty strong stimulant, 40 mg of fumarate gives very hard stimulation with duration about 8-9 hrs. 50 mg of meth racemate gives compared, but twice longer buzz, and 100 mg of 4-MAR - only very, very light excitation.

Right... But. Anybody had dream experience with 4MAR + meth mixture? I found, that previously ingested 4MAR turns meth high in to very warm, open-hearted and long-lasting (to 30-36 hrs) direction. Possibly meth synergetically enhances action of 4-MAR... And for fun: coctail 4MAR + GHB (5-7 g of solid) is the strongest sexual stimulant which I have ever seen... Handle with great care ))

Corrections by me.

 

[haribo1]

Wow, so its about as strong as dextro amphetamine. For something so easy to make, I wonder why it isn't seen more? Sure, it causes heart problems, but I don't think most makers would care or most users would know.
Many thanks.

PS I notice its the fulmarate (fulmanate?) salt. The freebase forms nice crystals but maybe it isn't stable?

 

[vecktor]

fulminate rather than fumarate salts would certainly make things more entertainining!

 

[haribo1]

I know 4MAR is stable both as freebase and hydrochloride, either someone somewhere still has Menocil tablets or someone made that particular salt. The only other drug that I found really picky about salt formation was clomethiazole. Virtually no salts are stable. The edisylate salt (ethane disulfonic acid salt).

 

[fastandbulbous]

Aminorex has been implicated in pulmonary hypertension so maybe that's why no-one has bothered much with it (can't have customers dropping down dead!). That's why it was withdrawn as an appetite supressant for any sort of clinical use

 

[haribo1]

As far as I know, 4MAR has been similarly implicated. Certainly the DEA has published information on a lab in a family home where all the family were suffering from primary pulmonary hypertension. There have also been deaths reported in 4MAR users from similar causes.
I'm not saying AR is safe, but I'm just wondering why people risk 4MAR and not AR. I would just love to find out what adding to that phenyl ring would do. If the drug were as active as, say, DOB, then it surely wouldn't be such a danger from the heart perspective in any case...