America's Most Dangerious Drug

[fastandbulbous]

^ And there we have one of the main reasons you see it getting used. All of the western economies are heading further and further down the 'we need you to work longer, harder just to stand still' mentality. You only can push people so far before they have a breakdown (or turn to meth et al to 'improve' their performance). It's funny that the countries with the worst stimulant abuse problems are the ones that fully embrace the capitalist ideal

 

[radiohead]

I agree with this article.
Fuck meth.

 

[lyserg]

"I think meth is one of the plagues the Bible talks about," his wife says.


hahahahaha

 

[skiforlife]

Uh, some of the hardest working people I've known in my entire life never took stimulants. Yet they still worked 60 hours a week for the majority of their lives while also raising children, maintaining a marriage, etc.

In my opinion that's a really poor excuse for people to allow themselves to become addicted to meth. At least take responsibility for your own fucking addiction instead of blaming it on some impersonal, abstract concept of "society".

PS I was using the general "you" in this post, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It just sickens me when people refuse to be accountable for their own fucked up behavior.

 

[Pimp Lazy]

I really can't understand why anyone would defend meth? Sure the article blows and anything that tries to use fear for anything is manipulative and bullshit. I found issue with the quote at the end of the article though. "You guys think you are really making a difference?" That seems to be a rallying cry for stronger law enforcement activities as the writer interpreted it. It's really saying that penalties don't do shit and just make people suffer. I can think of people who went to prison and came out a lot worse than when they went in.

Skiforlife… right on brother. I know plenty of people who work those type of hours and do it out of tenacity and hardwork. Most of society years ago worked 60 hour weeks regularly and people in rural areas the world over still do. Big part of the drug problem is people want life to be easy and it isn't. It's just an illusion propogated in "civilized society." Peace.

 

[utopizen]

UM, did you mention 100% meth is not sold on the streets?

Oh, and did we mention this most dangerous drug is a legal prescription drug- Desoxyn?

Did we mention meth is more legal than marijuana?

Um, no.

No.

And no.

Just because dealers call "meth" "methamphetamine" does not mean it's literally the same as methamphetamine. The DEA even admits it's typically 50% meth, and 50% racemix amphetamine. More importantly, that's being optomistic.

The reality is meth is rarely untainted by crap that is causedd during the process of creating it with the pathetic precursors used for it.

Trust me, if you're convinced the meth sold on the streets is 100% d-desoyephederine, you need to get a reality check. Abbott Labs had one chemist oversee the production process and refine it from 1943 to 1970 to perfect the production of Desoxyn.

It's also been re-engineered after Abbott sold it a few years ago to Ovation Pharma for $40 million.

Trust me, there's a slight difference between using Sudafed in your kitchen to make meth and making Desoxyn.

And no, Abbott did not have someone spend three decades perfecting the production process to use Sudafed as the precusor.

Any claim that Desoxyn and meth sold on the street are the same product is ridiculious. If you ever found 100% d-methamphetamine unadulterated, it would mean you're a genius, that you are being recruited by NASA to oversee rocket launches, and you're diverting the shipments of precursors that are en route to the maker of Desoxyn.

DESOXYN IS A C-II, AMNIOREX IS A C-1. Both are referred to as "meth."

If someone claims it's d-methamphetamine, that's guaranteed to be, if you're lucky, 50% meth, maybe a quarter if you're lucky worth of d,l amphetamine, and the rest is battery acid that wasn't cooked out. Plus lots of talc.

Mixing meth with regular amphetamines can kill you very, very easily. I accidentially took leftover Adderall with my Desoxyn prescription after switching to it and my face turned pale ghost white and my friends were like, "omg, you're Death"

It also is very risky. It can lead you to the ER room to hypertensive crises you'd likely not get as easily with either drug alone.

Moral of story: you're not actually buying meth. Only the FDA-approved Desoxyn is real d-desoxyephederine. If you're lucky, there MIGHT be some meth, but it's never more than 50%, and that's if you have a good supply and are very lucky.

Like, lucky to be retarded enough to think there's a point to wanting to jack off all day and live in a trailer park lucky.





_______________________________
If anyone is using this drug, they have an empty life.
_______________________________




Saying you even take pot... you may as well say this:

"I am too pathetic to find anything more stimulating in my life or rewarding than pot, because my life is that empty.

"My friends are so pathetic, this is the best thing they can come with to stimulate my perceptions.

"And I avoid my potential to be a human being, because using this helps me perpetuate a defeatist outlook I maintain on life.

"The more I do this, the less rewarding and meaningful and more empty life becomes for me, and the more I perpetuate my lie to myself."

Cute kid, cute kid.

You guys are so cute and clever. Oner day, you're going to figure out you basically never lived anything by a lie. "Stupid kid, stay the hell away from things you don't have a f**king clue about" --Elliott Smith, Everybody Cares, Everybody Understands

I take Desoxyn, and I don't get high. It makes me more edgy, so combine it with Klonopin. (I'm edgy already anyhow).

I'd kill not to have to take it, but I'm down from my 30mg/day dose to 5mg/day thanks to my idea my doc let me try out.

I combine it with Aricept now. It's a cognitive enhancer experimentally used for AD/HD lately.






"Stupid kid, stay the hell away from things you don't have a f**king clue about" --Elliott Smith, Everybody Cares, Everybody Understands

 

[radiohead]

utopizen, you sound like you know what your talking about with meth... but then I got to the last half of your post, now im confused

 

[who mE?]

utopizen, making d-methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine, then purifying it to >99.9% is not as hard as you think for somebody who has lots of patience, some intelligence and a rudimentary understanding of organic chemistry. Any amine can be purified to an arbitrary degree through successive washings, extractions, and recrystallizations. Now obviously economic factors preclude the majority of street meth from ever attaining ideal purity, namely the low standards of the users, and its nature as an unregulated black-market commodity.

Mixing meth with regular amphetamines can kill you very, very easily.

This is misinformation, there is no special interaction which occurs between methamp and amp.

methamp is a powerful tool, and like all other areas of human experience, there are those who are STUPID and misuse the tools they are given. That said, I've seen methamp bite many otherwise responsible people in the ass because of the ordinary flaws of human nature: the id, the ego, greed, and honest mistakes. The only way I can see to alleviate the risks for intelligent people is to continuously present an HONEST assessment of the risks and harms and the tools of how to best mitigate those. Is this information ever going to come in a biased, profit-driven, emotional media such as modern journalism has become? NO... which means access to the truth depends upon the ability of an individual to seek it out for themselves, rather than have it spoonfed. As long as universal access to information, and the freedom for the public to create that information remains, it is at least possible to educate oneself. I just wish more of those in positions of authority (judges, law enforcement, legislators) bothered to do so. I view those who make discovering the truth and acting upon it a priority as truly great people.

Should all of society be treated like its most reckless members? Well... we each have our own personal beliefs on this topic, but I'd like to point out that endangering the safety of others is already illegal, and those who do will find our justice systems have a long history of dealing with crimes of that nature.

In general however, the conservative approach, staying the hell away from meth, is the only one guaranteed to be safe.

 

[lsd303]

In general however, the conservative approach, staying the hell away from meth, is the only one guaranteed to be safe.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but given my experience of "conservative" [throws up in corner] people, "staying the hell away from it" will equal, in their small minds, making it illegal and harshly punishing those who have anything to do with it. Show me one point in 'western' history where criminalising a drug has done anything to minimise its' negative effects. Note the difference between 'use' and 'negative effects'.

This article blows.. as someone above said, why should most (for the most part ) responsible meth users suffer because of a minority of idiots?

Want to solve the problem? Legalise _all_ psychoactives, regulate/tax the shit out of them, ensure purity/knowledge of dose, make sure the necessary counselling/"rehab" programs are in place, and take it from there.

...would be a shitload cheaper and less traumatic to humans in general than the fucking "war on drugs" the US has the world hounding after now..

 

[Twacked Out]

50% meth 50% racemic amphetamine?

bullshit


50% meth 50% msn maybe but do you know how hard it is to make racemic amphetamine in a clandestine lab, I checked the dea micrograms and found no reference to what your talking about, yes the method to make desoxyn is different than making it in your kitchen, they use thionyl chloride as the reducing agent, or make racemic methamphetamine and separate the strereoisomers with d,tartaric acid, but it returns the same end product as if you made it from sudafed, which makes d-desoxyephedrine, and if someone actually knows what they are doing, and I admit that to be rare with dope cooks, they can make a product from sudafed that equals or is within a 1/2 of 1% of purity when compared to Desoxyn, most shit on the streets is 20%-50% pure though and who knows whats all in that other 50%-80%, but it isnt racemic amphetamine, you can reduce phenylpropanolamine to dextroamphetamine but racemic amphetamine isnt something your gonna get in your kitchen


EDITh now I see WhoMe already covered this, and he's right with staying away from it being the safest, but thats true with every drug including marijuana and alcohol, even true with riding in a car, your safer if you stay home but speeding down the open road is much more exciting, its all about risk vs reward for all of us in every situation life presents us

 

[flyingbanana]

i'm on the side of people defending methamphetamine
i use it often (at most once a week, in oral doses not exceeding 20mg) as a superior caffeine substitute. caffeine lasts only like 2 hours for me, and gives me horrible jitters. caffeine makes me feel like a tweaker! methamphetamine on the other hand, pure, is very smooth and clean feeling, no negative physical side effects. one dose will be good for the whole day. with caffeine, you have to constantly redose, increasing negative side effects. a nice oral dose of methamphetamine can also add a sparkle to your day, making otherwise boring activities more interesting. i can truthfully say that i have no addiction, physical or psychological

but i'm a firm believer that methamphetamine is not supposed to be used for euphoria (there's better substances out there for that). sadly, this is how it is abused by many. if taken orally, and in moderate doses, methamphetamine can be an excellent, nonaddictive tool for concentration

 

[repression]

Damn, just look at that woman's face in the second picture compared to the first picture... only a 2 year change. I'm sure a fair amount of that results from the lifestyle associated with the drug and not just the drug itself but god. fucking. damn. I think it pretty speaks for itself.

I don't have the article in front of me, but the only picture of a woman's face that I can remember is that of a woman who was injured in an explosion that occured during a clandestine manufacture. The article itself reads more like a sermon than a news story.

 

[ticktock]

I have no idea why the hell you people are standing up for meth and saying this article is bullshit. Meth really is a dangerous drug if misused.
Remember it will only take a year of hardcore use for it to fuckup a person.

 

[line6ampman]

Like so many other drugs, 90% of the problem is the prohibition, not the drug. The article blows.

Without a doubt.

I feel if someone has come up with the idea, then that chemical could possibly be used as good. Hell, the doctor has the rights to prescribe it, but as someone else said...they're still up in arms over marijuana.

I swear it's population control.

 

[staypuft]

...tweakers are a funny bunch...but meth (abuse) really sucks

my best friend slams about a point whenever he can get his hands on some...and he doesn't even get a rush anymore...

i think that maybe the high meth use is linked to what kind of society you were raised in, but only because "western", "capitalist" society (lifestyle?) causes ADHD at an early age...thus making meth very useful to alot of people

...then again...there are just the people who use it for the euphoria...

 

[illimex]

I don't blame anyone for being against meth. I've used it on several occasions, it was okay, not the drug for me. I don't blame people for liking it either....it's not boring, and can certainly facilitate an evening of whatever you'd happen to be doing (if it isn't sleep I mean)

What's fucked up is, I was in Wyoming the other day, reading the newspaper and on on the inside pages were two stories. The first stating that a meth dealer got 50 years in prison. The second stating that a child pornographer was getting a measily 12. Stories like the one above, told in a story format for reading by people with bigger imaginations than brains are not beneficial to anyone but the drug war brothers-in-arms.

When I read that Wyoming newspaper I could see that no one noticed the blaring priority mash-up our country has concerning drugs. It's really fucked up knowing that a person who exploits children sexually, fucking them up for life and potentially creating a drug addict, sex addict, porn addict or what-have-you-type of vice in these children gets less time than someone selling drugs to people who already want the drugs. I thought the war was about "protecting our children". Apparently, only from indirect and uncertain danger.....

 

[psilocybe]

50 years for a meth dealer and 12 for a child pornographer. Talk about injustice.







People Want These Drugs. They Are Not Going To Be Deterred By Laws

It's such a fucking joke. How do we fight this drug-war? Please How can we stop this injustice, I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[grapeape]

I agree with this article.
Fuck meth.

+1


I've watched this drug singly destroy my little sister for the past 7 years, and it is absolutely killing my parents and has alienated my entire family. She was beautiful, smart ( had a 4.0 GPA her junior year, went down to a 1.9 her senior year) and had so much going for her....now she is just a 24 year old loser with no job experience, no education, and lives at home cleaning my parents home all hours of the day. It just pisses me off....

(for each pound of meth, five pounds of toxic waste are left behind)

why in the FUCK would you want to put something in your body that is this toxic???? got me.....

 

[Shroomyj]

LEGALIZE the drugs!
If everything is legalized, the quality is way better, and maybe the price will even drop, it's not _cool_ to do drugs anymore, and everyone would be more responsible, just add a paper to the tabs/powder with instructions.
At least they could legalize smoking weed, it helps with the harder drugs, take a look at Holland!
In holland the hard-drug-use is WAY less than in the US! And less than Germany, France, etc....... you don't get arrested to smoke weed so you can, you COULD get arrested when using harddrugs, so you won't do 'em as easily as weed!
Legalizing the drugs will prevent ALL THE CRIMES related to drugs!
ETCETERA
ETCETERA
ETCETERA

 

[redeemer]

(for each pound of meth, five pounds of toxic waste are left behind)

why in the FUCK would you want to put something in your body that is this toxic???? got me.....

I think the key words here are "left behind"... ie the toxic waste isn't in the meth that is consumed.