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ambien inneffective

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pillman1224

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recently got a script for 10mg ambien and thought" whoo peee" the literal hell of tossing and turning everynight will be over well it is it wored good for the first two nights then nothing as i am typing to you write now since me ambien didnt work i downed 3mg xanax. i could do this every night but do not want to develop a dependence. my doc recomended restoril and i retorted with ambien because i know he wont prescribe me the right dose(30mg). has anyone had any trouble with ambien not working should i ask about halcion i am at my wits end. list of meds i have tried for insomnia: the otcs, seroquel, clonodine, gapapentin, and ambien. would you guys go with the restoril or are there better options out there. i dont want to end up like MJ oding on propanal or whatever the fuck its called. lemme get of here the xanax is kicking in dont want to say anything thing will get me banned ha. good night all btw i took my ambien an hour and a half ago and NOT EVEN A FUCKING YAWN. what is wrong with my brain.
 
Im suprised seroquel didn't work for you... I mean, I totally disagree with drs using heavy antipsychotics for treating anything other than psychosis, but man that shit makes me drowwwsy.. But everyone is different.

Restoril is great for sleep. It has like a 98% oral bioavailability iirc. Its also an analogue of diazepam, and has a decent half life. Ambien has a way short half life, they do have a controlled release formula as well. At least there used to be...

Do you have a tolerance to benzos?

How much zolpidem are you taking per dose?

Give the restoril a shot bro, can't hurt to try. Keep me posted.
 
10mg of ambien a nigh yes a have a small benzo tolerance 3mg xanax to get off and 120 of restoril to get off. i see the shrink in 2 weekks
 
making an appointment to the shrink gonna try the restoril. hope he starts me on the 30s cuz i do have a slight tolerance.
 
Ambien didn't really work for me, either. I would get a bit delirious and hallucinate, but not fall asleep. Be careful with the hypnotics and don't take large doses as it isn't one of those "take more to get more" drugs. Large doses of drugs in the hypnotic class is generally what causes the things like sleepwalking and driving and eating for people not otherwise prone. Have you tried Zyprexa? It's an atypical antipsychotic occasionally prescribed for sleep. Nothing else worked for me but it works occasionally and I take it as needed. Also, unlike other atypicals (except Seroquel) there really isn't a precedent for akasthisia as a side effect, which is definitely good.
 
Fuck Zyprexa big time, worst drug ever created. Try meditation and maybe some benzo. Clonazolam works wonders with me.
 
Unfortunately, it's really hard to get a benzo script for sleep in the U.S. Doctors seem to not take insomnia very seriously most of the time, even though it can be one of the most debilitating things. It's absolutely horrid, I know.
 
Ambien worked for me for a while but then I started waking up again in the middle of the night. I found restoril to be effective but it can be habit forming and tolerance can it. It's generally considered a short term treatment.

I find TCAs like Amitriptyline + melatonin to be effective. Maybe ask your doctor about those...after you get your restoril script haha
 
Zolpidem (Ambien) is a remarkably fast-acting drug, even when taken orally it can have me asleep 15 minutes after ingestion. It's a safe bet that if you aren't feeling effects after an hour, you probably aren't going to, unless you're dealing with a controlled release tablet. I've had experience with zolpidem working sometimes and other times doing absolutely nothing. It's strange, but I always attributed this to the manufacturer of the drug (Teva). Are you prescribed generic?

If you can get prescribed temazepam (Restoril), by all means go for it. I feel like the drug itself is getting ready to go the way of the dinosaurs. It's very rarely prescribed here in the states, but it's my understanding that it's slightly more common in places like Europe and Australia for example. It's pretty powerful stuff, not in terms of relative potency to other benzodiazepines, just in its strength of hypnotic effects.

If temazepam doesn't put you to sleep, you're definitely a hardcore insomniac. You could be well on your way to a medically justified prescription for secobarbital. Have you been put into anything along the lines of an observed sleep study? That tends to be a common trend these days for people who are "immune" to some of the more powerful hypnotic drugs.
 
its not as uncommon as you think. i have tried it before at doses of 120mgs and i am nervous because while the 120mgs got me high as a kite and eventually put me to sleep no doctor will write that much. hence why i am praying that the 30mg is enough to knock me out. i just scored 20 of the 30s i am saving some for some "fun" and the others as a testing dose to see if 30mg is enough. you mentioned secobarbital would they give that to an 18 y/o
 
It would be wise to save all of the restoril for when you need sleep imo but I know how it is when you receive a script for something good.

I find it bizarre that anyone in the medical field would prescribe anti"PSYCHOTICS" for insomnia. Terrible side effects and from my understanding have crippling withdrawal symptoms when a long term user attempts to stop taking them.

Did you take restoril last night? If so, how much and did you sleep ok?
 
I have always thought ambien had a ceiling effect. Don't quote me, but I heard it was around 30mg. I used to plug it recreationally, call me a faggot whatever, and it was a killer high. I remember doing 10 10mgs in a night and while the effects were strong, I definitely wasted at least the last 5. Anyways, you were asking about sleep not a high.

For me, Ambien was effective but I have found that Doxylamine Succinate is the best sleep aid I have found by far. I literally thought I was a hopeless insomniac before I found it. And its OTC!! I hope this helps.

btw, first post I've ever made :)
 
Ambien has a very short half life...like two hours if l remember correctly. Some of the other Z drugs have longer half lives if the Ambien isn't working for you. Temazapam works for me in higher doses and has a long half life. Valium is my personal fav if your Dr will prescribe. Insomnia is effing shit...
 
Zolpidem is meant to help those who have trouble falling asleep, but no trouble staying asleep.
It starts dissipating after 90 minutes, and even the Slow Release formula would struggle to assist anyone who has any tolerence to benzo's.

You could try promethazine, it is OTC in most countries and works for a lot of people.

But after reading that you take temazepam, it is going to be difficult to find something in the benzo family that is any better (obviously flunitrazepam would be ideal if it wasn't so addictive).

I stuffed up my benzo tolerence decades ago, but 7.5mg of Zopiclone gives me around 5 hours of sleep on a regular basis, and might be worth a try.

Just for interest sake, zopiclone and temazepam are the only "benzo-type" hypnotics that have almost no effect on REM sleep which is a big positve attribute for a sleeping tablet.

Just throwing ideas out there, but try some Zopiclone or promethazine (Phenergan), u got nothing to lose.

Good Luck.
 
If nothing else has worked so far then you might want to see if you can get a script for suvorexant (Belsomra) as an option before resorting to the temazepam (and definitely before you try to get barbiturates), mostly because of the risks of dependence and the probability that you'll wind up on an escalating carousel of ever more potent benzos to maintain a reasonable prosomniac effect. That goes double if you're going to be using benzos recreationally; the recreational use could easily cause a tolerance increase that could make reasonable doses ineffective at alleviating your insomnia. Suvorexant should be safer for you in that context; it works on a completely different class of receptors from benzos. Benzos act as agonists at the GABA-A-a1, a2, a3, and a5 receptors. Activating the a1 receptor causes sedative and anticonvulsant effects, a2 and a3 cause anxiolysis and minor sedation, and a5 causes benzo brainfog as well as the associated blackouts and cognitive impairment. Z-drugs like zolpidem/zopiclone/zaleplon (brand names Ambien/Lunesta/Sonata, respectively) tend to act more specifically on a1, making them somewhat preferable to benzos for sleep issues (although in high enough doses z-drugs will affect the other three benzo receptors, hence Ambien blackouts). However, since z-drugs act on the same receptors as benzos you have similar mechanisms for dependence and you can get cross-tolerance between the two drug classes that will render the z-drugs ineffective at reasonable doses. Suvorexant (Belsomra), by contrast, works on a completely different set of receptors; it acts as an antagonist at orexin receptor sites 1 and 2. The orexin system is fairly strongly linked to wakefulness; I believe that studies showed that deficiencies in orexin (as well as issues with the quantity and sensitivity of orexin receptors) is a significant cause of narcolepsy (excessive daytime sleepiness and difficult-to-prevent involuntary microsleeps). By antagonizing orexin receptors, suvorexant effectively induces a narcoleptic episode that knocks you on your ass. Since it doesn't act on GABA receptors at all, there should be minimal if any cross-tolerance.
 
i am taking it tonight 120mgs i know i will sleep like whitney houston. if an when i get prescribed them they will be used strictly for sleep.
 
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