Amanita Muscaria at a rave

[latentdelusion]

For those of you who don't know about amanita:
They're the red mushroom caps with the white dots on them. The common image of a mushroom in cartoons, etc. Muscimol and Ibotenic acid are the primary active components (actually, not sure about IA, but muscimol is it's metabolite, anyway.). It's a psychedelic/dissociative.

Anyway, I've never taken what I believe to be real MDMA (so I can't compare to the typical 'rave' drug), but my favorite drug to take at raves are these mushrooms. They allow me to really get lost in the music. I usually get out of body, with little to no negative effects.

The other rave I went to I took alprazolam and ketamine. That made me a drunken tard. I thought I was dancing wonderfully, but I was just hunched over swaying from side to side. Glad there were thousands of people and it was super dark.

Anyone else ever take these at a rave/party?

 

[VerbalTruist]

Sounds like fucking horrible idea. get real drugs man

 

[Bomboclat]

That sounds absolutely horrible, if you've read any TR's on Amanita Muscaria people say awful things about its physical effects on the body.
(and for the record, amanita muscaria counts as a dissociative like salvia counts as one, and salvia doesnt exactly count as one.)

I highly suggest not mixing alprazolam and ketamine as well, seeing as the combination can cause major respitory problems.

I'm going to shoot this on over to PD.

 

[latentdelusion]

Sorry about putting it in the wrong spot!

I've never really had bad effects from amanita. Also, I usually just take pretty low doses (1-2 medium caps). It's enough to feel effects but not get sick.

The alprazolam is mixed with the ketamine to make it less neurotoxic. And i did low doses of each of those as well. Well, I've only ever taken K once- that time.


And I've been able to get any 'real' drug that I want. Real MDMA only came around after I wasn't interested in it anymore (mostly because I was low on cash). Haha.

 

[CatfishRivers]

I've taken low to medium doses and had them feel almost exactly like take a decent tab of LSD. I've taken the same amount and had nothing happen. I've also had a slight OBE with just a bit more than what I consider to be my middle of the road dose. If you have a nice big batch of amanitas and are used to their potency, then it gets a little easier to figure out your dose and how it will effect you. The dangers of doing it at a rave are getting confused, or struggling with a sense of dissociation, or even becoming physically ill and doing a lot of vomiting. The positives I see is that if you are the type of person that amanitas sit well with, which I most definitely am, then you might be able to use them to get into a similar mindset as a low dose lsd or low dose dxm experience, somewhere similar in between those two highs...I've had fun at concerts, band practices, parties, etc on amanitas, but I've never really over done my dose when going out, and have pretty much just stuck to drinking a couple drinks and somking a j later that night...

once I combined amanitas with some foxy and found myself floating out of the crown of my head at an almost vertical angle looking down at myself lol...was kookoo and would have been a tough thing to experience in public.

 

[latentdelusion]

Glad someone else had a positive experience in a social environment.

I like the acid/dxm comparison. That's a really good way to describe it.

 

[Bomboclat]

The alprazolam is mixed with the ketamine to make it less neurotoxic. And i did low doses of each of those as well. Well, I've only ever taken K once- that time.

To be honest it wont really matter how your brain is doing if you're not breathing because of the combination of benzodiazepines and ketamine 8).

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

dont argue with theezy about ket
hes the ketamaster.

 

[Delsyd]

benzos and K should not depress the breathing too much.
So its really not a dangerous combo.
Its given to kids quite often.

On the occasions ive done the combo it has been a complete waste of Ket because the benzos took away the psychedelic effects almost entirely, no matter how much K was dosed.

 

[Feste]

Amanitas feel worse than most hangovers. Bleh.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Eating straight Amanita is idiotic, but at small doses perhaps it could give you a woozy feeling good for a rave.

But the PROPER way to use them is not as in the above as a mere inebriant, but to go thru the easy series of preparation steps to convert the inebriating nauseating chems into the proper truly mind blowingly amazing Entheogen/Psychedelic compounds.

But in this form it is most ABSOLUTELY NOT for use in public... well unless you like having waves of multiple episodes of suddenly falling down unconscious briefly and entering timeless transdimensional dream states IN PUBLIC.

There are instructions... you dont REALLY need to go all the way to "drinking the waters" level, but it really and genuinely DOES deepen and extend the trip(s):


THE RECIPE: http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Oth...-ReligiousDrugs/AmanitaMuscariaRecipePage.htm

 

[Solipsis]

This is a bad idea, Amanitas have all sorts of reactions that can be quite uncomfortable - does it sounds nice to wander around a rave feverishly sweating and very disoriented whilst feeling something inbetween drunk intoxication and delerious dissociation? Sometimes it might be psychedelic-like but I think hardly anyone does this recreationally like that.

Thats not to say it could be a very interesting thing to experience some time, but do it in a safe and controlled environment to minimize the nasty sides and maximize the good or interesting sides.

Oh and you don't want ibotenic acid, it's best to prepare it by boiling like in heated milk for instance to turn the ibotenic acid into muscimol. I believe not only will it reduce toxic-like reactions but also make the effects somehow better / more desirable.

 

[CatfishRivers]

Glad someone else had a positive experience in a social environment.

I like the acid/dxm comparison. That's a really good way to describe it.

I think we're in the minority, but it is probably for the best. I have a dear friend who took a bunch of amanitas, I guess the way he remembered eating psilocybes in the past. He ended up freaking himself out and going to the e.r. casuse he thought he had o.d.'d and was dying. I think the overall toll of that experience, and how it affected the way some of his friends treated him, dealt him a psychic blow that he never really got past. Amanitas can mess a person way up if they don't know what they are getting into...

with that all said...

I think some of the above opinions are a bit harsh. I've safely used and enjoyed amanitas for over a decade now and never once had any troubles I hadn't prepared myself for. Just as I find the experience of say hbwr and the associated nausea/delirium side effects that go along with it a satisfying and worth while experience in certain instances, the same goes for amanitas.

They really do have different layers or tiers of the experience. I once experimented with amanitas at the 2-4 gr daily dose level for a couple of months. At that level, and with slight tolerance developing over time, I noticed a relief from depression and appetite suppression to a degree, with a slight increase in calmness felt throughout the day. At low doses (for me these are low amounts, figure out your own dose for amanitas based on your own body) none of the delirium type effects were present at all. Not much intoxication was felt at these levels, but it did increase the effects of alcohol noticeably, and also for coffee and for weed too.

At times when I have taken around 5-8 gr at once (mid level dose for me), I get an experience that I described before as somewhere between the onset of a decent lsd experience combined with the first few hours of a decent dxm experience. It has some effects that would make a control freak feel uncomfortable in his own skin maybe, but I actually find the effects to be quite enjoyable and at low and mid level doses, these effects have been great for concerts, jamming, parties with people I knew...just hanging out at home or even hiking.

If you overshoot your dose tho, then you will probably feel more of the dissociative like effects. It's just like dosing with dxm, or with k, in some ways...if you keep your dose low, it can be a very enjoyable social lubricant. If you go to far you could be having obe's in public and get arrested or something I guess too...you just gotta be a bit familiar with them first, and know how you are gonna react to your dose, and then you will probably be fine...there's no real reason for the negative stigma about amanitas if you take the time to figure out how you react to them first, and then take an appropriate dose for a social setting...if that's what yer looking for...

 

[Solipsis]

Well if you put it like that, I guess if you learn to deal with them first and be careful with dosages it's a bit of another story but many people go to rave-like parties to go far out and the risks that incorrect use could pose are IMO totally not worth it.
In other words I don't have enough faith in the majority of people to really take the time and effort to test the waters and limit the dose, perhaps I am shortchanging far too many people here but if someone mentions a rave as the context I'd rather say 'don't do it' than 'it might very well work out', especially if there are so many better options and amanitas can be saved for taking them at home.

I used to be much more liberal but then I really started to be careful with that because I just don't feel people who don't know what they're doing deserve the nasty consequences they get sometimes. Of course informing people always remains so much better than trying to repress, but some plans are just bad ideas waiting to go totally awry and first of all that must be emphasized.

Before people can know what they are doing they have to learn how to do it, you have to go slow with that and too many people talking here like it's not that big a deal in their experienced opinion just leads too easily to underestimation. My early experiments were like trial and error as well, mainly with mushrooms. I would rather warn people one time too many about something than one time to little.

I don't have a very good view on the importance people attach to all the stuff I say and have said on Bluelight but I do regarding big boys like Xorkoth MGS and of course a couple others. I remember on of them saying one time that he wanted to start being more careful about what he says because too many inexperienced kids use him, his posts and his trip reports as an example. That scared him a bit.
It's dangerous if people interpret a single person hold in high regard saying "I can't think of a reason why that would be dangerous" as: "As a matter of fact, this is safe" and act on it. Think about it.

 

[Xorkoth]

To be honest it wont really matter how your brain is doing if you're not breathing because of the combination of benzodiazepines and ketamine 8).

As Delsyd said, ketamine and benzos will not depress breathing to a significant extent... they give the combination intravenously for surgeries. Ketamine and opiates could be dangerous since opiates do depress breathing. But as far as I know neither ketamine nor benzos depress breathing. In fact, part of the reason ketamine is used for anesthesia is because it is so safe... it does not depress autonomous functions like heartbeat and breathing.

Also, amanitas are "real drugs"... what's a "real drug" anyway? I'm leary of elitist-style comments like that because everyone has different preferences. Amanitas have been used for millenia. Plenty of people get great effects from them. And the OP wasn't asking if they should, the OP was asking if anyone else did because he already KNOWS it works for him.

 

[CatfishRivers]

Solipsis, believe me I've struggled with that same issue. I took a several years break from sharing my experiences on the internet that just ended recently actually. I decided finally that it was better to put my voice out there and to explain my experiences, with the pros and cons equally listed, and just let people make their own best decision. I see where you are coming from by wanting to warn people away from amanitas, because many folks will end up having a rough time due to lack of preparation and undue expectations for what they are going to experience (i.e., often thinking shrooms are shrooms and expecting something totally different). But, in the end, I think it's best to share how I had positive experiences, along with how I had negative ones, and let people make up their own minds. You can only really control your own actions in the end...what anyone else does, is their own choice. I've had some rather amazing times with amanitas, and it would be a shame to secret those away from someone who might also get the same effect from them just because the chance for having a bad experience exists. With a modicum of study and preparation, there is absolutely nothing to fear with amanitas. But with that said, I also think there are some people who 's personal chemistry just won't ever agree with amanitas as well, just as my own chemistry seems to agree rather well. Know thyself is good advice for this one I guess

 

[Madhatter4]

Oh your going to be the life of the party if you take Amanita's at a rave!!!! Everyone will enjoy watching you hunched over in a corner puking your guts out for hours on end

 

[CatfishRivers]

^one possible outcome for sure...especially if you don't know how you are going to react ahead of time and take too much.

 

[Solipsis]

Sure catfish I never meant to say anything like it's better to "secret people away", and people will go on making their own decisions including bad ones and repression has been proven not to work as you most likely know yourself.
Just meant that being too easy and aloof about it (so, the opposite) can be equally bad, or even worse when it gives people a false sense of security.

Anyway if I had had experiences with Amanita's thatd made me think there's something positive to say about them, or potentially, in the context of a rave then I wouldn't intentionally keep it quiet.
For the record my experiments were never really that fruitful with Amanita's, and then reading about it more just put me off and I lost interest in pursuing - one time I was lucky that it didn't work because I was walking around with housemates downtown around the time they were expected to kick in.
One of the things I am absolutely not proud of doing! Yeah I was lucky, and later realizing that I learned my lesson without needing something bad to have happened.

 

[DwayneHoover]

DUDES!!! YOU HAVE TO DRY THEM ON LOW HEAT IN AN OVEN FOR AN HOUR, THEN SIMMER THEM ON VERY LOW HEAT FOR ANOTHER HOUR!!!

Eating them raw is just STUPID since doing the above gives you the proper active psychedelic compound.

Raw they are a mere deleriant, like sniffing glue or something.

But dried and boiled they are a TRUE AND POTENT psychedelic.... but one that acts via putting you through a series of short dream-trances in which you go unconscious, but have these really intense and epic dreams in which psychedleic stuff happens. Its not like Psilocybin or LSD where you are awake and see colors and tracers and stuff... very different but definitely real and quite intense... BUT ALL THE ACTION OCCURS WHEN YOU ARE "OUT"!