Am, Pm dissociatives and other questions

[Innerpeace]

Fxe is stimulating to me

Mxe seems to fall into same, if sleep is heavily valued,(which truley always needs, not wants, to be the case)

is it true anesthesia is not caused by fxe, mxe, and ketamine does? Does anesthesia equal a drowsy feeling ?

Going further, and have researched it , some say R is better some say S, what dissociative seems best before bed that can sleep without causing no sleep issues what so ever at all ?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The only Dissociative s that don t have stimulant effects during/ after.
Ime Ketamine [racemic/ probably the separate isomers too] & N2O.

All other dissociative s from least to worst i tried: DCK [bit neutral imo],
dMXE [kinda neutral]. But then it was over and it became stims/ mania inducers:
2F-DCK, MXE but worst was o-PCE. I guess all PC... are more prone ?

Had the wrong assumption 0-PCE would be a non stim/ mania inducing disso.
It was the opposite, manic & stimulating which involved reliving a trauma.

Writing about it and finally breaking up. Having a seizure.
Waking in the morning.

And besides being battered by my bed i crawled in.
All written shit, a torn up block note my agenda halved,
spread in a circle round me as leftover s. No fun.
First mirror i past saw one my eyes was Black, looked like 1/2 a

Basically my room looked like a crater of a seirzure + a manic explosion !

 

[Innerpeace]

Mania inducing? Hmmmmm

Have tried fxe and ketamine. Fxe doesn't seem to cause mania. Fxe supposed to be mix of mxe and ketamine. Ketamine suppose to cause most kidney issues

Ketamine seems way more chilled and possibly less mg per mg less efficient,possibly, then fxe

Dmxe interesting have heard neutral things

 

[SuperPsych]

Mania inducing? Hmmmmm

Have tried fxe and ketamine. Fxe doesn't seem to cause mania. Fxe supposed to be mix of mxe and ketamine. Ketamine suppose to cause most kidney issues

Ketamine seems way more chilled and possibly less mg per mg less efficient,possibly, then fxe. Mxe never done supposed to be good bang for the dollar so to speak

Dmxe interesting have heard neutral things

FXE induced mania in me but to a lesser extent than say O-PCE or 3-MeO-PCP. 3-MeO-PCP is one of if not my most favorite chem of all time. I love the mania inducing dissociatives. I also really love DMXE. It's a fantastic drug but not a great dissociative if that makes sense. I feel like people go into the experience looking to get wonky or get themselves in a hold but thats just not what DMXE does. DMXE does however put one in a pleasant, positive, loving and optimistic mood and a somewhat trippy and introspective headspace. I really really miss that stuff. It was fantastic for sex too. Some of the best sex I've ever had was on DMXE. I was able to get really creative in bed.

As someone else said, Ketamine and N2O are the only 2 dissociatives (that I know of at least) that aren't stimulating. One of my favorite things about Ketamine is that I can take a line and be asleep an hour or 2 later. I've taken 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, 3-CL-PCP, 3-FL-PCP, DMXE, MXE, DXM, 2f-DCK, DCK, 4-MeO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, O-PCE, FXE, MXPR; all of them have been stimulating and all of them had the possibility of leading to mania (maybe except DXM)

 

[dopamimetic]

I got insomnia from all the dissociatives I've tried, including ketamine, O-PCM, 2F-DCK, O-PCE, MXE, 3-MeO-PCE, DXM, even memantine if dosed high enough. It requires a benzo or z drug to fall asleep.

I also get hypomanic stimulation from all of them but some have a worse side effects profile than others. It feels kinda like I could live up to my full potential while on a dissociative (hypomania), negative emotions get shut down and all there is is euphoria and the moment. Lower dosages are more suitable for everyday life of course. O-PCE stands out in that it felt stoney and was the most anxiolytic of all dissos. I miss this so dearly (moved into a country where RCs can't be imported even when they're technically legal but get seized on sight).

 

[tryptakid]

I got insomnia from all the dissociatives I've tried, including ketamine, O-PCM, 2F-DCK, O-PCE, MXE, 3-MeO-PCE, DXM, even memantine if dosed high enough. It requires a benzo or z drug to fall asleep.

I also get hypomanic stimulation from all of them but some have a worse side effects profile than others. It feels kinda like I could live up to my full potential while on a dissociative (hypomania), negative emotions get shut down and all there is is euphoria and the moment. Lower dosages are more suitable for everyday life of course. O-PCE stands out in that it felt stoney and was the most anxiolytic of all dissos. I miss this so dearly (moved into a country where RCs can't be imported even when they're technically legal but get seized on sight).

MXiPr I have been able to fall asleep on, unlike pretty much any other dissociative. I typically need to give at least 5 or 6 hours after last use, and will often resort to some kind of sleep aid when trying to sleep. MXiPr though, I can do some, lay in bed and kind of trip out before drifting off.

 

[Innerpeace]

FXE induced mania in me but to a lesser extent than say O-PCE or 3-MeO-PCP. 3-MeO-PCP is one of if not my most favorite chem of all time. I love the mania inducing dissociatives. I also really love DMXE. It's a fantastic drug but not a great dissociative if that makes sense. I feel like people go into the experience looking to get wonky or get themselves in a hold but thats just not what DMXE does. DMXE does however put one in a pleasant, positive, loving and optimistic mood and a somewhat trippy and introspective headspace. I really really miss that stuff. It was fantastic for sex too. Some of the best sex I've ever had was on DMXE. I was able to get really creative in bed.

As someone else said, Ketamine and N2O are the only 2 dissociatives (that I know of at least) that aren't stimulating. One of my favorite things about Ketamine is that I can take a line and be asleep an hour or 2 later. I've taken 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, 3-CL-PCP, 3-FL-PCP, DMXE, MXE, DXM, 2f-DCK, DCK, 4-MeO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, O-PCE, FXE, MXPR; all of them have been stimulating and all of them had the possibility of leading to mania (maybe except DXM)

Fxe and sex didn't seem to mix , except one time, which was a twenty to twenty five five percent okay for sex experience. Definitely doesn't seem to assist sex drive by any means

How would , does dmxe and fxe compare ?

 

[dopamimetic]

Definitely doesn't seem to assist sex drive by any means

Would say this is true for any dissociative. I've had sex on DCK and it was very weird, cuddling is awesome but sex feels off and it's impossible to finish.

Never had FXE or HXE, had to stop my journey of researching chemicals 2 years ago because of legislation and cause I have overdone it.

Heard good stuff about DMXE, that it was almost like good old MXE which I loved. My experience is that with tolerance the differences between different dissos kind of fade away, what remains are the core dissociative features but weirdly does the serotonergic stuff go away even when tolerance is built with a lesser serotonergic one and given it's an entirely different neurotransmitter system.

Out of curiosity, how is FXE? Comparable to DCK or MXE or inferior?

 

[Innerpeace]

Out of curiosity, how is FXE? Comparable to DCK or MXE or inferior?

Only ones done was fxe and ketamine . Mixed ketamine with fxe few times. Done dissociative s maybe ten times in 2024. 40-60 mgs on average each time. Injected

Did them for back pain , five times, recreational as well

Have read that fxe is more like a mix of mxe and ketamine

 

[SuperPsych]

MXiPr I have been able to fall asleep on, unlike pretty much any other dissociative. I typically need to give at least 5 or 6 hours after last use, and will often resort to some kind of sleep aid when trying to sleep. MXiPr though, I can do some, lay in bed and kind of trip out before drifting off.

It's the same for me. If it's a work night then I need at least 6 hours from my last dose to have even a chance of falling asleep, and like you said, I still rely on sleep aids to get to sleep. I've never had MXiPr but from what I hear, it does sound a little more relaxing and stoney. I know its been suspected to have some serotonin activity going on which I wonder if it plays a role in helping be able to sleep on it.

Fxe and sex didn't seem to mix , except one time, which was a twenty to twenty five five percent okay for sex experience. Definitely doesn't seem to assist sex drive by any means

How would , does dmxe and fxe compare ?

FXE was never one to regularly increase a desire for sex, though sometimes it would. Dissociatives in general can be similar to psychedelics for me in the sense that they can lead me to desire close, personal connection with another person which can lead to thoughts of a sexual nature if I let my thoughts continue down that path. In fact, on dissociatives is the only time I'll find myself browsing Tinder. I'm typically comfortable living my life sober, but sometimes on a dissociative I crave that love and connection so much that it can be painful.

FXE and DMXE are both very different experiences. FXE is a little closer to ketamine than it is to DMXE in my opinion. I will say this, the reason that DMXE is great for sex, besides the enhanced immersion and creativity is due to the fact that its not very dissociating. There's little to any tactile suppression, none of that physical "numbing" effect that basically every other dissociative provides. So during sex or even masturbation you have the same level, or close to the same level of sensation that one would have sober, but with an enhanced, erotic mental space. Now DMXE doesn't make me horny like a stimulant does, but if I'm in a romantic or sexual situation then the thoughts and feelings are greatly enhanced. By far one of the best drugs for sex that I've done, rivaled only by 5-MeO-Mipt. At least when it comes to sex with a partner or someone I'm close to. If I'm just going for raw horniness for a random sexual encounter then I'll always reach for a stimulant over a dissociative.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Heard good stuff about DMXE, that it was almost like good old MXE which I loved. My experience is that with tolerance the differences between different dissos kind of fade away, what remains are the core dissociative features but weirdly does the serotonergic stuff go away even when tolerance is built with a lesser serotonergic one and given it's an entirely different neurotransmitter system.

Out of curiosity, how is FXE? Comparable to DCK or MXE or inferior?

dMXE,was ime a odd one as dissociative. It was a bit reminiscent of MXE.
But not like it as on MXE i d exploit my days work like thunder.
Also not total overtaking as DCK would, and carry me to La La Land.

Besides my first K-size line of MXE experience, entering awake the M-hole.
After that it became a all purpose daily med. Crossover stimulant/ anti-depressant.
With de-sensitising capacities, useful when in a abusive relationship.
And recreational too. Took it daily, for months.

dMXE is not comparable, it will keep me wake. But can t remember holing on it.
Despite it lacking true disso effect s it was really nice just laying.
And having your mind in free gear fantasising, sort of drifting between reality and oblivion. Consciously, but not anywhere as eluding.

Just got a urge to just order one last time. to try the MXiPr, FXE and dMXE a.o.

 

[Innerpeace]

@emkee_reinvented did you find dmxe good for sex drive ?

Dmxe sounds lovely. Mxe, from reviews sounds like the best one. I guess it's subjective. A good sex dissociative would be nice for time together with special someone

@SuperPsych have you done mxe and would that be comparable to dmxe for sex, or in your experience dmxe is the only dissociative that really enhances sex drive?

Have heard many times 5 meo mipt is great for sex. Thing is I don't use that much. When I do, although hasn't always been, prefer doing them with a special someone that recently moved away to take care of her dad. Don't really feel the need to do anything right now, a d breaks are nice, and not needing them for pain and or feeling better, along with not feeling like doing anything except maybe weed or kratom here or there

 

[someguyontheinternet]

There are some dissociative that are highly stimulating, like 3-meo-pcp and ketamine. When it comes to anaesthesia, ketamine is usually used in conjunction with something like xylazine. Drowsiness isn't necessarily needed unless you're talking about full general anaesthesia where they'll use GABAergics and opioids.

For anaesthesia to be effective what's really needed is stopping pain signals from reaching the parts of your brain involved in perception of pain which is why they can use nitrous oxide at the dentist for short outpatient procedures.

Ketamine is actually a fairly useful anaesthetic because unlike the GABAergic and opioid depressants ketamine will actually raise blood pressure and heart rate which can be super handy to the anaesthesiologist because they need to ensure bp, hr, oxygen, etc stay within proper ranges and pushing too much sedatives to reach an anaesthetic state may cause problems in some people so its a really handy tool to have in the toolbox

 

[emkee_reinvented]

@emkee_reinvented did you find dmxe good for sex drive ?

Dmxe sounds lovely. Mxe, from reviews sounds like the best one. I guess it's subjective. A good sex dissociative would be nice for time together with special someone

Not really, in my case, MXE neither.
Then again never had a partner willing while on it.

But dMXE never let to hour long hand sessions, like stims would.
But i like it more then DCK/ MXE.

But unlike K or DCK like MXE, it did allow activity or watching a movie.
Though as go to piss i have be careful standing up.
As my coordination is effected, but its almost unnoticeable.
MXE didn t have that effect ?

Till you walk or aim at the WC hole and miss by a meter. .

 

[specialrelativity]

So many chemicals! Eye roll.

 

[Innerpeace]

So many chemicals! Eye roll.

Do you it's best to stick with one ?

 

[Innerpeace]

MXE didn t have that effect ?

Only done ketamine and fxe. Both of these seemed to decrease sex drive

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Only done ketamine and fxe. Both of these seemed to decrease sex drive

On a Ketamine size dose insuflated, after my wive fought me the house out.

So about 20 x a beginner dose, when it started kicking in i was biking.
The reason i stopped was pure logical reasoning,
not because i couldn t ride.

It was getting dark and had no bike light, which when caught by a cop.
Would cost me 100,-, so that part of my thinking wasn t not even influenced.

Continued on food hand in one bike. and noticed the ground was wobbly.
It was in a spot 6 meter below sea level,
so felt the Earth there is a sort of sponge.
Instead what we normal feel solid, well it isn t but not important for live.
Like quicksand and swamps we do feel this was in between.
Not critical for survival, a personal revelation.

Looked further and saw the known scenery,
Still looked the same but went through a SF converter.

I was able still peaking to have a lucid conversation,
with my Mom about my shameful self imposed situation.
Normally i would never have done it like that with a new substance.
that was by pure the situation, needed numbing asap.

Sex on a disso seems less likely then on a Lysergic. or even MDMA.
IME, others may have total different experiences ?
dMXE and watching Mid-Century [movie], a perfect match as the movie is
on itself a very good impression of dissociation. So the combo was 1+1=3 !
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