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Am I the only one who has never lost magic?

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hHi folks,

I was wonderin if im the only one who hasnt lost the magic of MDMA. ppl ere in forums say taht if you use too muuch and too frequent youre gonna lost magic forever. That's completely not a case wiwth me.

I've been using mdma for 8 years now and durign that time i had a couple of hundered (300 or maybe even more) MDMA experiecens and have never lost magic.

I took about 600mg last thursday and today i did 150 diveded into 80 and 70 and got SOOOOOOOOOOOOO magnificentm emphatic and magical HIGH like it was my first time rolling years back.

how do you feel about it ?
 
so how often are you using it? Every ??? Weeks
Do you redose?


Ive not been around mdma for a year yet, 1 more month and its a year,
I still definately have the magic lol
 
600 mg is a very large dose. I don't understand why you need to do so much.

Losing the magic is more about your relationship to the MDMA experience. What you want from it and whether you are happy to accept that the experience has changed.
 
levictus said:
600 mg is a very large dose. I don't understand why you need to do so much.

Losing the magic is more about your relationship to the MDMA experience. What you want from it and whether you are happy to accept that the experience has changed.
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Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh 600mg is a massive dose :O

And as for the experience changing, lots of people i know seem to get a buzz off mdma, or a stimulant effect,
not that magic euphoria that i still get, they cant understand why i havent had lesser effects even nearly a year on,
 
There is no physiological possibility that a human body is capable of using MDMA on a more than monthly basis for 8 years without negative effects. 600 mgs is a very high dose.

I'd venture to say, you're not taking MDMA each time, or at all. You may disagree, but unless you are actually fully reagent testing, theres no way you would need 600 mgs or be rolling too often for 8 years without negative effects. A year, 2 years...possibly, but still rare.

As Levictus said, "magic" isn't really a definable thing. Some people consider MDMA not feeling like the first time as a tragic "loss of magic", whereas others feel completely content with the effect it has on them and the changes and journey MDMA takes you on over the years. I think if you respect it, it can always be amazing.
 
If you need 600mg to feel like the first time you did E... There's a good sign you're going to lose the magic soon.
 
I think it's highly likely that you've "lost the magic" so-to-speak and just don't really realize it. Although you may still find rolling extremely enjoyable, I find it hard to believe that after 300 or so experiences, you're still feeling just as amazing as you felt the first time. 8 years is a long time, the memory of your first experience could have diminished or skewed slightly, especially after 300 more rolls.

Losing the magic doesn't mean that you stop enjoying it entirely. It just means it's not as profound as the first period, however long. To be totally honest, I "lost the magic" after only 3 or so rolls. After that it was not as intense or profound and amazing, but I still thoroughly enjoy it. And it's remained constant since then.
 
shady4091 said:
I think it's highly likely that you've "lost the magic" so-to-speak and just don't really realize it. Although you may still find rolling extremely enjoyable, I find it hard to believe that after 300 or so experiences, you're still feeling just as amazing as you felt the first time. 8 years is a long time, the memory of your first experience could have diminished or skewed slightly, especially after 300 more rolls.

Losing the magic doesn't mean that you stop enjoying it entirely. It just means it's not as profound as the first period, however long. To be totally honest, I "lost the magic" after only 3 or so rolls. After that it was not as intense or profound and amazing, but I still thoroughly enjoy it. And it's remained constant since then.
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I don't exactly consider it "losing the magic" because I still get the same high off of the same amount of pills... I sortof see it as getting used to it and growing bored.
 
It becomes a pleasant, euphoric, hallucinogen after a while with moderate use :)
 
Losing the magic, doesn't necessarily mean that you have to take more to get high. I've always used the same amount, give or take since I started doing it. I don't need any more to get me high now than I did my very first time. But yeah, I'll agree that in lamens terms, losing the magic really just means getting used to the effects. It's no longer totally new and mind-blowing, you know what to expect.
 
My bf hasn't lost the magic. I haven't completely ... sometimes it's amazing ... sometimes it just sucks ahah :( ... but for my bf, it's amazing every time, and he's been using for yes before me, and I have rolled once without him (since we started doing it together) while he has rolled many times without me. So jealous :p
 
Ya know, Ive been rolling for 10 years, only 5 of those years once a month (the other 5 once or twice a year) and I still havent lost the magic in that it still works, I still have a great time but the hangover has gotten so bad that that in itself ruins the magic.

Im also tired of the side effects: short attention span, night going by way too fast....not being really present....

In those ways, the magic is gone.

The drug still works. I even kept my tolerance low... .1 - .3 at the most.

The next day got shittier and shittier. Now its almost not worth it anymore. Im just about ready to cut it back down to once or twice a year.
 
Ok, maybe I have exaggereated a little bit with those 300 times rolling, it must be closer to 150-200 prolly


I didn't do 600mgs at once but over the course of 10 hours or so in 6 100mg doses of molly. It was a huge ass rave, the biggest one in my country. I felt strong effects after 100mg but at such parties I always want more more and more and dance dance dance and rave. I've been using it for 8years but of course I had some breaks, I dont do it every week, but sometimes I rolled 3 times in one week then had a break that's why I have rolled so many times during those years. My biggest break was one year, as there was no mdma available in my town.

And when I told about feeling like the first time rolling I took 150mgs divided into 80 and 70 not 600mg :). I know that 600mg is a ridiculously high dose but it's really dificult to resist the temptation to redose when you have almost a gram of molly and you're at the biggest rave in your country that you've been waiting whole year for
 
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I came into the scene when E blew up and was in every movie(GO) and every news special. I was about 16 and there was allot of dis-info but this website, Blulight, had great Harm-reduction info like the Pre and Post roll tips.
IMO THE 2 MOST IMPORTANT RULES ARE:
1) NEVER ROLL MORE THAN 1 TIME EVERY 2 WEEKS.-TAKE BREAKS. 3 TIMES/YEAR IS PLENTY AND MAGIC WILL REMAIN!

2) DO NOT WASTE YOUR EXPERIENCE! LIKE THE POST I JUST SAW ASKING ABOUT ROLLIN AT WORK? XTC SHOULD BE A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE AND IS NOT AN OPIATE THAT U CAN TAKE TO GET A SENSE OF WELL BEING. E SHOULD BE USED WITH CLOSE FRIENDS AND USED AS A TOOL TO UNDERSTAND OUR LIFE.

PS MY WAY OF JUSTIFYING E TO MYSELF WHEN I WAS A TEEN WAS THAT E IS A MICRO-SLIVER-TASTE OF HEAVEN THAT THE ALMIGHTY WANTS US TO KNOW ABOUT AND GOD CAN DO ANYTHING!
 
Props to bsiren for calling BS.
Props to OP for admitting BS.

Even at your lowest estimated total of 150 over 8 years - you would have to average about 19 pills per year.
This is about 1.5 per month - every month for all 8 years.

Since you likely went through a period of heavy use in the beginning...
you had quite a bit of spacing in there down the line.

There is research to suggest that some humans are less prone to detectable changes in brain function.
To be more specific - there are two main types.

Former users can be given serotonin agents like fenfluramine, piperazines, MDMA, or even high-dose tryptophan.
Both cortisol and prolactin plasma levels are measured at different intervals.
As with MDMA - the prolactin release is an indication of healthy serotonin function.

Many of these studies have shown long-term (1-2.5 yrs) loss of serotnergic function in abstinent users, as measured by prolactin.
But not all former users exhibit a substantial change.
The heavier users normally do - and most studies would define 150 or more as 'heavy' lifetime exposure.
But there are many studies on more moderate users that suggest small or undetectable change.

In SPECT or PET imaging, radio-active ligands show up as glucose is used in the brain.
The protein that removes serotonin for recycling is visible with different ligands.
And sure enough, many current MDMA users exhibit lower levels of SERT expression.
Former users often recover this SERT protein, but some do not (up to 3yrs).
Again - heavier users typically fall into the group that fails to recover SERT in cortical regions.

In both studies, the particpants that show long-term degredation of serotonin suggest true 'neurotoxicity'.
But even more long-term follow up is needed.
To follow these former users for five years or longer, with abstinence assured, is a very challenging study to perform.
Most critics of MDMA studies fail to appreciate the difficulty of 'proving' that toxicity occurs in humans.

A wealth of animal data shows that repeated doses of MDMA causes a 'lasting reorganization of the ascending axonal structure'.
This is not in debate.

MDMA, esp. with repeated dosing, is VERY likely to cause real damage in humans.
But 'damage' is only defined by substandard prolactin response to future use of serotonin agents...or lower SERT expression in cortical regions.

In practical terms, serotonin may be responsible for a number of higher cognitive functions.
Certain 'visceral' feelings may be lost and fall below detection in cognitive tests.
Most regular users experience some change...although the drug still has some effect.

In research, animals pretreated with MDMA exhibit less 'social' effects and more 'motor' effects from MDMA.
This suggests a greater suppression of dopamine in the nigrostriatal pathway.
And some PET studies of former human users agree - DAT expression in the striatum is lower in this region even after 3 years.

Does this mean the user will describe 'loss of magic'?

Some on BL do.
They feel NO euphoria - up to 4 years abstinence in the posts I have read.
Others describe an altered experience that still contains some euphoria.

You should accept the possibility that you actually have 're-wired' part of your most intricate neurotransmitter system.
Lots of data suggests this is the case, but it cannot be known for certain.
By continuing to re-dose and not properly space your rolls, you are increasing your risk of 'loss of magic'.

I cannot recommend controlling your dose enough.
600mg is a VERY high dose.
I have never seen a human given more than 400mg, even in controversial studies.
And some of these higher doses were associated with changes in cerebrovascular activity that lasted months.

Just be more careful.
If you can't feel a 250mg dose enough - you are ALREADY losing magic.
 
LOL no... You get the same experience so the magic is still there, you just need more then usual. It's tolerance ime. After my period of heavy use the part that made me cut back was when me and a buddy used fucking 2 GRAMS of molly, and 2 pills containing around 80 mg of M.

The molly was tested, very high quality crystal. You do the math. Individually we each took a gram of mdma to get where we wanted to get. The euphoria just wasn't there. I just felt really wired and had to throw up a few times aswell. After taking a decent 2 month break though we were back to buzzin of just 2 pills.

I don't think loosing the magic has anything to do with not being able to feel the effects. You're just used to it and you're expecting way too much. MDMA won't do all the work for you, I've noticed that when you think too much about the effects like you HAVE to have an amazing time, most of the times you just don't and you spend more time analyzing the effects rather then just enjoying it.
 
I thought I'd lost the magic a week ago when I broke my 6 month break on some white pumas...


turns out the pills were just weak, since I got some nice molly a week later and HOOLLLY FUUCK break was totally worth it. Magic still intact!
 
When someone says lost the magic I think most of the time they just mean their tolerance is getting higher, they just need more to get a decent roll going. For me losing the magic is I take a decent amount like 120-200mg, I still get floored but all the good euphoric effects I used to feel arent there anymore.
 
this llama's MDMA highs are just as good (well better..) than my first few..
albeit i was never an etard though, i'd rather fry my brain out with speed than E, E isn't even very mentally reinforcing imo/i dont see the point of just rolling cause you're bored...
 
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