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Am I the only one disliking phenethylamines?

but at higher doses, 2ce is very unpredictable. loads of energy but its chaotic energy. OP have you ever had a AAAA 2ce trip? what was the highest dosage of 2ce you consumed?

there were times when i soul literally felt it was going inside out. i met entities and the environment was attacking we with knifes and chains any type of torture device you can imagine. ego loss and vibrations everywhere.
snort a good amount of 2ce and then tell us that its not deep. at times its savage. at times it turns from savage to wonderful, like being bloomed into a human lotus flower. not just forced euphoria but real love homie. multiple lives shooting through my memory and past life recall also happened. you just need to take more. but make sure you have a babysitter that wont ditch you or punch you in the face for being insane.

My highest dose has been 18 mg, and that was absolutely horrific on my body. The bodyload and nausea were unbearable. I could not possible take more. And the mental aspect just is not what I want from a psychedelic trip.

It's nice you've had the fortune to experience that but my body rejects most phens in the first place. That combined with a lack of spirituality is not what I want from a psychedelic trip. I'm not saying phens can't be deep. But they still lack a spirituality I only experience with tryptamines. I guess you also can call it a mystic feeling.
 
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I think what he's trying to say is that 2c-e can indeed be quite spiritual at higher doses. It's ok that your body rejects phens, but don't call them inherently unspiritual.
 
I have a love hate relationship with the 2C series, I don't find myself wanting to do them very often and I find myself reaching for 2C-C or D, very seldom E or I. I like C the best by far as well, it feels like being on low dose LSD and MDMA. 2C-B wasnt my cup of tea the two times I tried it either, but if I had it around I would see myself doing it more often than E or I.

For the record, I partake of 2C-x's maybe four times a year. Haha

High dose 2C-C is pretty amazing actually. The visuals of LSD with the electric euphoria and calm energy you get with good MDMA. Very pleasing to the senses.
 
I think what he's trying to say is that 2c-e can indeed be quite spiritual at higher doses. It's ok that your body rejects phens, but don't call them inherently unspiritual.

I could never say that phens are inherently unspiritual as some objective truth that applies to everyone. What I'm saying is they are unspiritual for me. That was kind of the point of this thread, I don't find spirituality in them. I think it goes without saying that I reflect my own opinions and experiences in this thread.
 
true, just wanted to make sure you wernt missing out man. seems like from how you describe it you wont get any higher by pushing the dose.

its like those ppl who smoke bowl after bowl of salvia and can't feel anything.

or my brother who, when tripping on shrooms/acid, doesn't trip or feel any emotional disturbance. just straight up excruciating physical pain. never seen anything like it actually.
 
My friend had a "mescaline-like" encounter with a spirit animal on 22mg of 2C-I. This same friend disliked 14mg of 4-AcO-DMT (claimed it was too "mechanical" or unemotional) and really enjoys LSD.

IMO 2C-I and related phens are far more "well rounded" chemicals in the way that I use them-- I very much enjoy the body high of all of them.

4-AcO-DMT and related tryptamines have been very "deep" indeed, but that means I wouldn't take them in the same settings that I would take 2C-I. For example, 2C-I could be a replacement for MDMA/M1 for me, as it provides a very nice rushing body energy that 4-AcO-DMT does not. I would be comfortable taking lower dose of 2C-X in a public situation, whereas on a tryptamine I'd rather be at home with my significant other or simply alone.

Different strokes for different folks indeed.
 
I could never say that phens are inherently unspiritual as some objective truth that applies to everyone. What I'm saying is they are unspiritual for me. That was kind of the point of this thread, I don't find spirituality in them. I think it goes without saying that I reflect my own opinions and experiences in this thread.

I feel like this thread is a sort of 'trypts are good, phens are bad' kind of deal and I'm not the biggest fan of that kind of thing.

Myself and many others have found phenethylamines to be life changingly spiritual. I know lots of people who eat mushrooms with reckless abandon and don't feel anything spiritual. I'd say most of the mushrooms consumed in the modern world are pure recreational, non spiritual, party-type experiences. And mushrooms are about as hard as tryptamines get IMO.
 
One of these seems to pop up every few months.. Phenethylamine bigots do exist. I'll say what I've said in every one of these; have you tried 2c-b? Lol. 2c-b is not stimulating.. Sedate at times, though certainly empathogenic and ecstatic. 2c-b is the premier empathogen/psychedelic, to me. At lower, non-visionary doses it can be a pure empathogen. At higher doses it becomes starkly visionary and remains clear headed and the empathy remains.

Sure, you might not find them useful for recreational tripping, spiritual experience or what have you, but imagine that this world exists with thousands if not millions who could all benefit from different experiences. This is the world you live in where hundreds of millions of different psychologies co-exist, where each and every one can react to any given experience in vastly differing ways (drug experience or otherwise). The phenethylamines, classic or new, have their place. For me, 2c-b was spiritual, it was a healing compound and a learning compound. It added to my experience as a human being and I feel lucky to have been gifted such an opportunity, though that is only one mans experience! I can't say with certainty what anyone else might obtain from such an experience, and neither can you.

Now 2c-b is just one example.. Take heroin, for instance. I've tried it twice, liked it. Don't feel the need to go back to it, even for one more taste. This wouldn't seem to reflect the majority of heroin experiences, would it? All I'm trying to say is that your experience is just that, the experience of one individual human being. Your experience doesn't speak for the gambit of phenethylamine experiences and neither does it change their place as useful psychedelics, it certainly doesn't reflect the majority, either. So don't be so quick to cast your judgement on the chemicals themselves!
 
I feel like this thread is a sort of 'trypts are good, phens are bad' kind of deal and I'm not the biggest fan of that kind of thing.

Myself and many others have found phenethylamines to be life changingly spiritual. I know lots of people who eat mushrooms with reckless abandon and don't feel anything spiritual. I'd say most of the mushrooms consumed in the modern world are pure recreational, non spiritual, party-type experiences. And mushrooms are about as hard as tryptamines get IMO.

I was aware of the risk that it could be perceived as a "phens are bad, trypts are good" thread. It's hard to formulate myself in a manner that is not perceived as such. That's why I tried to underline that I don't have problems believing some people have life changing spiritual experiences with phens. On the contrary, I'm convinved of that. What I was more interested in was if I'm the only one who, for various reasons, seem incapable of such experiences with phens. According to some replies, it seems I'm not the only one. That was kind of my question. I think it's wonderful though that we have such a vast array of psychedelics to choose from, as the personal preference varies so much.

Many people eat mushrooms and just about ever available psychedelic for pure recreation. I have known such people too. But, regarding you last point which I disagree with, I think there are certain tryptamines which just are too less "fun", too less "party stuff" to recklessly play around with. DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, DPT and 4-AcO/HO-DPT are some that comes to mind. All of which IMO are much more intense and hard than mushies. I've smoked 5-MeO-DMT probably 50+ times but still have butterflies in my stomach every time I lit the pipe. The feeling of having your ego and your whole perception of the "normal world" disintegrated and smashed to pieces in a matter of seconds is something I think is hard to find much party stuff in. Applies to DMT too. For me personally these experiences are not always fun, nor euphoric. Unlike you, euphoria is not a vital component of a psychedelic experience with a therapeutic value. I do experience euphoria on most trips, but some of my best and most profound trips have not been especially euphoric at all.

But on a more fundamental level I agree that not only mushrooms, but most psychedelics (both phens and trypts) are used in a manner that hardly can be described as something that resembles a spiritual, mystical and even profound experience. It's a bit of a different topic but spirituality doesn't come automatically with psychedelics. Psychedelics give you the tools, but you may use them as you see fit.

All I'm trying to say is that your experience is just that, the experience of one individual human being. Your experience doesn't speak for the gambit of phenethylamine experiences and neither does it change their place as useful psychedelics, it certainly doesn't reflect the majority, either. So don't be so quick to cast your judgement on the chemicals themselves!

I have never made such a claim. On the contrary I've tried to emphasize that I'm reflecting personal views and experiences, that are not universal nor objective. I was interested in if there are others out there with similar experiences. See my post above.
 
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I've tried 4 phens: 2C-E, I, P, and 25I-NBOMe. The only one I don't hate is 25i-NBOMe.

Honestly, the 2C series(what I've seen of it) feels absolutely evil. 2C-P experiences feel like some of the most toxic trips I've ever undertaken, and had an underlying sense of panic. 2C-E felt like a superficial, colorful, and not very trippy compound. While 2C-I doesn't feel as toxic, and actually has a more mental aspect for me than 2C-E did, it also comes with the same sense of evil.


I feel like the 2C series are Will-o'-the-wisp's, luring me with their light into a not so pleasant place.


25I was perfect though, interestingly.
 
If I send away the most toxic phenethylamines like the DOx family, I can say that phenethylamines can be very interesting for several factors:

1. 2C family provides of "MDMA feeling" that usually makes the experiences more comfortable, different and with anxiety away.
2. This away of anxiety can be translated into positive trips in psychedelic newbies.
3. For me is fantastic to see how different can experiences can be depending on the substance to use. This cold feeling I usually have when I am on 2C... Or the hot feeling I usually have when I am on trypts..
4. Not everybody looks the same benefits or effects from the substances. You may like the mindfuck feeling, but others may prefer the pure visionary side of the experience.

Peace!
 
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