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WhatIsWrongWithMe

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So I'm sure many of you guys have seen my other thread http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/673523-Am-I-fucked-forever

Well, I decided to tell my parents that I did the Molly and that I've been feeling symptoms and...

My dad tried telling me that doing Molly once would not cause permanent or long-term changes, and that the only way I would be feeling symptoms after 4 months is if the drug was still in my system, which is highly unlikely because the body will flush out drugs pretty quickly (weeks?).

So he thinks what is happening is that I scared myself and that the problems I am having are mostly psychological.

Is he right about this? Are all my symptoms (brain fog, short-term memory loss, low motivation, etc.) all in my head?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is... can molly really physically effect you (after one use) for longer than 4 months?

Or am I just crazy? lol
 
can be many more factors than just mdma side effects. have you've done a bloodwork on your health? low motivation can be caused by much more than that, ex low natural testosteron production i'd say memoryloss is included in that too. rest I don't know but recovery from side effects due to mdma is a bit psychological, you gotta let go n accept the sides you've caused upon your self, and convince your own head that its gonna be better soon.
 
That's what my dad told me as well.. MDMA affects people psychologically and triggers anxiety and fears so you have to fight it off bro.
 
for most, the first MDMA experience is this wonderfull and eyeopening experience that leaves them with, at worst, a dreadfull hangover and being extremely tired for a few days after. but for some the experience awakens anxiety or other mental issues that can persist for a very long time after the drug's effects have worn off.

It happens...:\ not much else can be said. the good news is it is rarely ever permanent. I think the biggest worry to me is people who think they will never fell normal again take medical action far too early and end up in the grips of antidepressants and antipsychotics for years spending thousands of dollar on treatment for a disease that would have cleared itself up.

IME the key to MDMA recovery is realizing that what you are feeling was cause by using MDMA, knowing that most recover on their own without medical help or prescription drugs, and dwelling on it only makes the symptoms that much more prominant.

you need to take charge of you own recovery. stop using all drug (even booze an weed). eat right and exersize and find something that you can do to occupy your mind. stimulate your brain. force yourself to do it. it will be hard at first but would you rather put a little effort into it now orlive in your current state for the rest of your life?
 
Your dad sounds like a smart man.



And MDMA and similar drugs will be out of your system in days.. not weeks. It can create chemical imbalances that will last for long periods of time, but the chances of one off use causing this is more unlikely than a white man dunking in the NBA.
 
Okay, say I am tricking myself into feeling these symptoms. When will I feel normal again? I'm going to exercise and eat healthy (started 2 days ago)... will I feel better soon?

p-please respond
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
Okay, say I am tricking myself into feeling these symptoms. When will I feel normal again? I'm going to exercise and eat healthy (started 2 days ago)... will I feel better soon?

p-please respond
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We really do not have a timeline for you.. It really will be up to you how hard you work on making yourself get back to normal.. It may take a few more months or so.. But the important thing is to not let this beat you. Like most of the posts that some of the bluelighters have posted, this is mostly anxiety and the more you stress yourself about it the more it's going to get worse. Just give it time, give your brain some time to heal. Stick to a healthy diet and regular exercise and you will see the difference.
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
Okay, say I am tricking myself into feeling these symptoms. When will I feel normal again? I'm going to exercise and eat healthy (started 2 days ago)... will I feel better soon?

p-please respond
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the more u worry the worse and the longer recovery u will have. just the fact that u nicked "whatiswrongwithme" tells me you wont recover for a long damn time. uve done what uve done, u cant undone it so u put urself in these pants, wear em, ride em out and be happy. man up. thank you
 
Ive recovered of a strange 3MMC comedown (from large abuse) in a period of a bit less than 1 month... Was having depersonalization/derealization, loss of emotion, light anxiety... After 1,5 week my cognitive ability was back to 100% and the anxiety was close to non existent. Other symptom and/or weird feeling faded in a 2 week course after these first 1,5 weeks. Now Im 100% myself, or at least can't tell the difference. So there is hope...

As Ive said in the other thread I recovered from many other dp/dr period in a course of 3/4/5 month (3 exactly)... I bet(and hope) you will feel better at 6th month... Often other report feeling better after this timing. When you start to feel better you are far more functionnal and feel less anxiety. You can ignore easily other lingering symptom, and see them fade away without letting them interfering with your life.

For me, the first problem to subside is DP/DR (thopefully the most annoying one), then cognitive problem, then the anxiety, and finally emotion and zest for life come back.
 
matt2012 said:
for most, the first MDMA experience is this wonderfull and eyeopening experience that leaves them with, at worst, a dreadfull hangover and being extremely tired for a few days after. but for some the experience awakens anxiety or other mental issues that can persist for a very long time after the drug's effects have worn off.

It happens...:\ not much else can be said. the good news is it is rarely ever permanent. I think the biggest worry to me is people who think they will never fell normal again take medical action far too early and end up in the grips of antidepressants and antipsychotics for years spending thousands of dollar on treatment for a disease that would have cleared itself up.

IME the key to MDMA recovery is realizing that what you are feeling was cause by using MDMA, knowing that most recover on their own without medical help or prescription drugs, and dwelling on it only makes the symptoms that much more prominant.

you need to take charge of you own recovery. stop using all drug (even booze an weed). eat right and exersize and find something that you can do to occupy your mind. stimulate your brain. force yourself to do it. it will be hard at first but would you rather put a little effort into it now orlive in your current state for the rest of your life?
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This post is on the money. I'm at month three of my comedown. It takes a lot of work, but you have to let go of your fear of permanent brain damage because its just not true. The drug caused massive stress on our minds and it takes a few months for all the stress response symptoms to go away (short term memory loss, difficulty concentrating, anxiety, etc.) These symptoms go away as our mind relaxes and gravitates towards homeostasis again. You can help your cause by letting go of this fear. You are feeling terrible things and its understandable to react the way you are. But you have to trick yourself into not getting anxious about this. Its a vicious cycle and its up to you to break it. Do everything you can to dissipate your anxieties and stress. I preach this, because I am doing it. My symptoms are easing up and I am feeling like me again.
 
Hi there,

Everyone on this thread has been mentioning great advice. I too am experiencing some very heavy comdown symptoms (for exactly a month now), including all of the ones you have mentioned. While it is very easy to assume that you've done permanent damage because you have taken something that altered you mentally, like everyone else has said, I believe it has just triggered some underlying issues. I have struggled with crippling anxiety in the past that was VERY hard to over come, but I managed to with lots of hard work. Right before the inccident(I took a pill of MDA while being fairly booze intoxicated), I had noticed I was having trouble sleeping and my anxiety was particularly high. It was getting to a point that it needed to be addressed and some therapy needed to be implemented. However popping that pill definitely pushed it into overdrive. It comes in waves and I know that the physical symptoms and even DR/DP become very prominant when my anxiety is up. It's not going to be easy but you can get through this as I have faith I will as well. Overcomming any mental ailment takes time, but just hang in there. Take care of yourself and hold on to the moments when you do feel slightly more "regulated" as a reminder that you will be okay. I hope you will seek some therapy, do what feels right for you. Also being honest with those close to you about how you are feeling can be great help, it can be scary and when you are trying to "maintain' secretly. Best of luck :)
 
I also wanetd to add this. Think of anxiety as your flight or fight response, it is essentially what happens when your body feels that it needs to protect itself and go in to overdrive. However imagine if you aren't in any immediate danger how devastating that reaction can feel emotionally/physically. Some of us by nature have really strong fight/flight resonses which can be seen as a strength but just doesn't have a place in our slower paced lives these days. It's all about re-training your brain to not react in such a way to everday encounters, and it can be done. Trust me! But like everyone has mentioned I reccomend staying away from any drugs/alcohol because they will hinder this proccess. :)
 
Thanks to anyone who is posting I really appreciate your advice.

@HarrytheHead: Well Harry, according to my dad...YOU would also be in the category of having made up the symptoms in your head, since it has already been 3 months for you? My dad is saying that one MDMA use should not and will not affect you 3-4 months after you do it. It will not be in your system, and the only reason you would still be feeling symptoms is if they were entirely psychological.

What do you have to say to that Harry? I can actually believe him... although i admit it does make me feel crazy. I'm still not entirely sure though, whether my brain is really stressed out from that one mdma use? OR whether I am making myself feel the symptoms psychologically. What do you think?

And guys I'm really not that anxious/scared. I believe I will recover. But I still feel the symptoms you know? I just don't know if my symptoms are a result of me over-thinking, or if they are stress/physically related.


Thanks again!
 
serotonin depletion affects every individuality different. some may suffer worse side effects than others. side effects has nothing to do if the drug is still in the system or not, but rather what the drug has done to the system. They could be psychological, well anxiety always are psychological but it can definetly be trigged from MDMA, its a powerful substance non the less.
 
testocyp said:
serotonin depletion affects every individuality different. some may suffer worse side effects than others. side effects has nothing to do if the drug is still in the system or not, but rather what the drug has done to the system. They could be psychological, well anxiety always are psychological but it can definetly be trigged from MDMA, its a powerful substance non the less.
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Pretty much the best answer for you here.
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
@HarrytheHead: Well Harry, according to my dad...YOU would also be in the category of having made up the symptoms in your head, since it has already been 3 months for you? My dad is saying that one MDMA use should not and will not affect you 3-4 months after you do it. It will not be in your system, and the only reason you would still be feeling symptoms is if they were entirely psychological.

What do you have to say to that Harry? I can actually believe him... although i admit it does make me feel crazy. I'm still not entirely sure though, whether my brain is really stressed out from that one mdma use? OR whether I am making myself feel the symptoms psychologically. What do you think?
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Whatiswrongwme, I do not think the problem is entirely psychological.. But I also don't think the drug is still circulating in our brains 3-4 months later. Instead, the drug illicited a response that our brains are still recovering from. I had intense panic attacks during my high and during the following days/week. This was not psychological by itself (I did not make it up). The drugs effect on my brain triggered this psychological reaction. The reaction was so severe that it caused a psychological trauma that needed weeks/months to reverse. We are treating an acute stress disorder. You can greatly speed the process by not worrying about it. This will aid in the relaxation of our brain/mind for a quicker recovery. Therapy, exercise, nutrition, mindfullness, meditation and positivity all help the relaxation process. So does time. Time is your best friend.

MDMA can have a powerful enough effect to influence a user well after a single use. While the drug is out of our systems (which left after only 48 hours), the stress it caused to our minds can leave lasting effects. This will all dissipate as we relax. The people who run into long term problems are the ones that worry about brain-damage, run to meds, stress out, etc. They are psychologically not giving their minds the rest needed to normalize. So when I say "let go"... Or your dad says its all psychological, it means physiologically you are no different then the day before you took the drug. And if you relax you will feel that way again soon.
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
Okay well I'm pretty relaxed right now so I should start recovering any day now, right? Thank you Harry and good luck!
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come on, STOP WORRY. u cant go aroudn be like "am i gonna recover, will i recover now?" you gotta change that mindset to "i will fucking recover, its my fucking brain and ill force that fucker to recover fully, no matter what" go fight it, dont be a wussy.
 
testocyp said:
come on, STOP WORRY. u cant go aroudn be like "am i gonna recover, will i recover now?" you gotta change that mindset to "i will fucking recover, its my fucking brain and ill force that fucker to recover fully, no matter what" go fight it, dont be a wussy.
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That's right! It's the mind set.. I know it's hard on the first few months but you'll get better we have been there and we are better :)
 
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