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ALTERNATIVE THEORIES V: The Build-a-bear Workshop

^ This and the rest (there's more).. and the many many eye witness accounts saying they saw a PLANE.. and then more that saw wreckage.

"Then I picked [the plane] up as it struck very low into the Pentagon. The wings folded back and it was like watching someone slam an empty aluminum can into a wall. The jet folded up like an accordion." [Mike Walter - eyewitness]
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http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/witnesses.html

The amount of eye witnesses who reported seeing a plane and described it with words like: 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.*** at least 45
The amount of eye witnesses who specifically said they saw an American Airlines jet. In all cases there's no indication the witnesses were talking about a small jet. at least 25
The amount of witnesses who reported the noise of the plane was very loud to deafening. at least 22
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a plane running down light poles when crossing the the highways. at least 19
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw and heard the plane went full throttle only at the last seconds. at least 12
The amount of eye witnesses who stated the plane had it's flaps up (not deployed). Witness 1 saw a 757, witness 2 and 4 both saw an American Airlines, witness 3 saw an American Airlines 757. No known witnesses stated the opposite. at least 4
The amount of witnesses who reported the plane was pretty quiet. (One of them acknowledged it was the shock. Another one saw it was an American Airlines jet, saw it had its gears up and saw light poles being knocked down. Others were in their cars, all windows up and the radio on) at least 4
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw the plane had its gear down. (Indirect, said a wheel hit a pole) at least 1
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a missile. What the person thought he heard isn't relevant! 0
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a military jet fighter at the time of the crash. 0
The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a Global Hawk at the time of the crash. 0
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Also, the hole does look like a plane hit it.. it's kinda hard to see but you can see even see damage caused by the wings.. Photo's on conspiracy theory websites are misleading.. a lot of them are taken from weird angles / where the damage is obstructed (1 that comes to mind is the one with the fire hose covering most of the damage)..

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^There are better pics that this i just cba to find em.

There is also an aerial shot taken during the clean up where you can see a massive pile of what looks like plane wreckage.

There's also the missing plane, it's passengers and audio recordings between the plane and the control centre.

Look up pics of when the bomber hit the empire state building in 1945.. It's also a pretty small hole with hard to see wing damage.

And so i raise the question again.. Why would they bother? Why wouldn't they just fly the planes into the buildings?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html
 
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^ that plane hit with micro precision ;)

Have you seen photos of the inner layers of the pentagon? Are you telling me flimsy aluminum punched a neat hole like this? through several layers of reinforced concrete? seriously?

ahem... IDK about the WTC's... But this damage is more consistent with a cruise missile... The security camera that captures the impact even shows the nose of a _____ not really clear, but it certainly looks like it could be a missile.

And so i raise the question again.. Why would they bother? Why wouldn't they just fly the planes into the buildings?
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Operation North Woods
The plan called for U.S. personnel to disguise themselves as agents of the Cuban government and to engage in terrorist attacks on the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay. It also called for terrorist attacks within the United States that would be conducted by pro-U.S. forces disguising themselves as Cuban agents.
One of the most fascinating aspects of Operation Northwoods involved the proposed hijacking of an American passenger plane. The JCS proposed that a real plane containing American passengers would be hijacked by friendly forces disguised as Cuban agents. The plane would drop down off the radar screen and be replaced by a pilotless aircraft, which would crash, purpor-tedly killing all the passengers. Under the plan, the real passenger plane would be secretly flown back to the United States
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read it and weep.

even better... Why would a bunch of 'extremists' fly planes on a suicide mission to kill innocent Americans? Would not they understand the repercussions from this would be grave for their homeland? If they were trying to destroy the US, they did an excellent job, says the defense budget and the multi-trillion-dollar debt/deficit. They also did a great job getting hundreds of thousands of civilians in their own countries (others since we didn't even invade Saudi Arabia, where most of them were from...)

Do you really believe that the US reasons for invading Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq were strictly noble acts to avenge 9-11? That Dick Cheney had absolutely nothing to gain?

Is it all just a coincidence Al Qaeda originated as a CIA move in the cold war against the Soviets in Afghanistan? Or that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family have been doing business for decades before? Suddenly Osama is just a "rogue" bin Laden, taking credit for the attack to set a pretext for endless/useless "wars on terror" 8)
 
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You're saying an explosion caused by a missile is more likely to punch perfectly round holes in concrete walls than an explosion AND a big chunk of solid mass flying through it at hundreds of miles per hour? WHY WOULD THEY BOTHER!? It was 1 of the single most biggest thing to happen in America, you think they would risk these small details?

Where is the plane? Where are the passengers? Why is it that everyone that saw anything at then pentagon saw a commercial airliner fly into the building?

The object you can see in that video is exactly the right size to be a boeing 757-223.

I know of operation Northwoods but 2 + 2 does no equal 5.

Why would they? I don't know. Cos they're pissed off? There are bombs going off all over the world, by all different groups of people, aimed to kill civilians?

I've never said I don't believe America had knowledge of the attacks before hand or even had nothing to do with it.. but there is no evidence to suggest that commercial airliners were not used to crash into 3 buildings that day.. and no i don't believe their reasons for invading Iraq was due to 9/11. The war on terror, imo, is a farce.
 
^ to be fair, I don't believe in the no-planes theory. I found it interesting, not convincing. September clues had some interesting points, some of which were false and/or delusional however interesting/entertaining never the less. As far as north woods, I just thought this was an interesting bit:
the plane would drop down off the radar screen and be replaced by a pilotless aircraft, which would crash
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2+2=4, but that's not the point here. The point is that x+x=2x now find x ;)
 
I always just lurk here and I gotta say this thread is A+, the massive gang-rape from so-called scientists of people claiming to have the hard g-, i mean hard facts on their side on the person seeming to display a little out of the box intelligence and posting lengthy proof-laden posts most of the time, the choregraphy displayed here wheter accidental or made up on some znc partyline somewhere on the interbutts, just bravo.

I just wanna be reassured here, i'm already facing at least 6 days without valium, i take 10mg twice a day and thats barely enough, at 30mg a day i would be okay, explaining how come i dont have any any more. But the hell is that shit about the aussie PM, and also on first page ? Apophis is that thing that could strike earth in 2028 on a chance of 1 / 250 000 isnt it ? That's a doctored wikileaks thing right, cos its talking about this year in less than 10 days.
 
^ There is honestly a LOT of bullshit bordering on full out propaganda in that article :\

"As soon as the second plane hit, I KNEW it was terrorists" is repeated about 5 times throughout the testimonies. I just get the feeling that they want me to believe in something that isn't there
 
I'm no rocket scientist, but that video was shit. Of course the blast would exit the opposite side first.

Funny the Vid welcomes debunkers but comments were disabled 8).
 
L2R said:
I'm no rocket scientist, but that video was shit. Of course the blast would exit the opposite side first.

Funny the Vid welcomes debunkers but comments were disabled 8).
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No it wouldn't and I am a fucking rocket scientist. I don't have issues with understanding scientific concepts - whether it's physics, microbiology, or pharmacology. I'm sorry that you do, but yet you feel qualified to offer your opinion.

The REASON why it would not, is...
The fucking plane hit STRONG EXTERIOR STEEL COLUMNS AND STEEL REINFORCED FLOORS and yet somehow managed to get through these barriers before exploding? Bull fucking shit. L2R your retarded argument thoroughly offended my intelligence today.

The fusiliage of a 767 is 17 feet and 9 inches. The space between floors in the WTC was about 12 ft. Tell me then, even though you are no rocket scientist, how the fuck an airplane mangaged to squeeze effortlessly through this too narrow of a gap provided by concrete floors? There is no fucking way. It would've blown at the point of contact.

I've never known guys, white or black, who had an obsession with NIKE AIR JORDANS to be able to present intelligent arguments. But hey, comment your de-bonking bullshit here, mate. I'll give you a run and then some.
 
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It's impossible. It could not penetrate the building. The fuel is stored in the wings and is fed to the engines directly without ever crossing into any part of the fusilage. The wings would have exploded OUTSIDE the building. It could not have gone through and exploded out the other side. That was the most retarded argument I've ever heard on here, L2R. You will suffer a -5000 pt. deduction and future responses are not welcome unless you can either be hilarious or intelligent. severely also suffers a -500 pt. deduction for supporting such nonsense.

Blue Arrows indicate the force of the moving airplane. Red Arrows indicate the STATIC RESISTANCE that would have met the incoming airplane. It also doesn't take much of a solid impact encounter to stop an airplane wing.
 
supposed to or not, it couldn't have. Although strong enough to fly, commercial and passenger aircraft is dinky. Really, don't ever even punch one unless you've got a few thousand dollars to spare. Only two military planes in existence that had any considerable armor - the US A-10 Thunderbolt II and the Russian Sukhoi-25 "Frogfoot," but they certainly weren't crash proof or stronger than steel and concrete.

Sure, it would have scarred the exterior, likely damged some stuff inside, but it could have never made it through. The damage we saw came from inside the buildings. You can see severed steel columns blown outward. It was pre-planted and timed explosives and pyrotechnics. Not a plane. +50 awarded points for asking.
 
severely etarded said:
bricks are harder than hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=ozAG8t8_4M4&NR=1
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Breaking those kind of blocks is kind of a trick. The concrete has little leeway to give and by pushing swiftly on the unsupported center of one as a karate chop does forces it to flex more than it can and it breaks. I'd like to see them chop through a piece of concrete with even just one piece of steel rebar running through it. They would destroy their hands! Try to punch through your sidewalk or driveway and then wonder why it fucks your hand up but not the pavement.

I'd love to see someone break the kind of steel column used in the wtc or punch horizontally straight through a steel reinforced concrete floor. Wouldn't be too impressive. Construction steel is not brittle stuff and has plenty of flexibility to it, so don't expect to crack it in half easily.

P.S. I guess you could say there's a difference between stronger and harder. If I had the money I'd love to show you myself punching the shit out of an airplane.
 
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