MrGrunge
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^ No no no no, you got it all wrong. Neither the US government nor Al Qaeda had anything to do with 9/11.
It was Hulk Hogan:
It was Hulk Hogan:
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MrGrunge
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Except that it was actually Will Smith.
Except that it was actually this unfortunate luger.
I usually prefer to keep silent about this kind of stuff, but I'll do my one post on this forum and then step away.
I was always skeptical about the told events of 9/11 but I didn't really start questioning the government until I saw this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfPKISxnyU
EDIT: the interview on youtube appears to be incomplete, use this presentation instead: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr...-horizons-where-did-the-towers-go-part-1_tech
It's an interview with Dr. Judy Wood (PhD in engineering) who was part of the consulting team who did the initial ground investigations after the towers collapsed. She uses the official report combined with the scientific method and simple demolition physics to analyze 9/11 from the ground up, instead of starting with a conclusion and setting out to prove it as other truthers do. She was one of the first engineers assigned by the government to analyze ground zero, but as the report was being formed she noticed key pieces of important information being deliberately left out, and outright refusals from her superiors. She eventually became a whistle blower who tried to bring information to the courts that contradicted the official story of the time, and although the judge admitted her proof was sound, he had to dismiss the case because of the political climate. She has concrete evidence, unlike many other truthers, and she was on the inside of the official investigation before she decided to step out of it for reasons she explains. To me, Dr. Judy Wood already has already come up with the best explanation, and because of her title and work with the government she has more credibility. (She has a website which you can google, where she is constantly posting proof about 9/11.)
All of the following statements are proven in this video:
The buildings were basically dustified with some sort of unknown EM technology that uses intersecting radio waves within a combined field, also called the Hutchinson Effect. In every day 9/11 footage we see pieces of the tower falling off and turning to dust before they hit the ground - not falling through dust but becoming dust. John Hutchinson, an independent scientist, has used simple broadband radiowaves to demonstrate this is possible in his home lab. It's a technique that does not require much energy, just correct field angles that are well timed. He has not only dustified solid steel but he has bent it and levitated it using this technique. (Look him up, there is video proof as well.) The government already acquired his knowledge years ago through raiding his home. Hutchinson used Nicholas Tesla's preliminary work which demonstrated the power of radio waves in altering physical matter at the turn of the 20th century. Upon Tesla's death, his papers were seized by the U.S. government and classified.
The sub-basement of the WTC, including all the parking garages, were basically undamaged. Millions of tonnes of steel falling into the foundation should have easily gone through it, but even the first sub-level and the shopping mall were untouched. The only explanation is that the material was dustified before it hit the ground. Even the visual record of the wreckage shows substantially less physical material than should have been there for buildings of their size; and what material was there was bent into impossible shapes.
There are two side effects from using this technology. One is that the dust is actually colder than ambient temperature and not hot. In the WTC debris we see bent steel frames in shapes that are impossible without very high heat. If it was so hot then why were people not being burned to death by the resulting particulate dust that blanketed the city?
The use of this technology will fry car engines and melt car door handles within the proximity radius of the field, which was seen on 9/11 all the way out the edge of Manhattan. (One thing the news conveniently failed to report, but many independent sources noted. There is footage online and shown in this interview.) An ambulance reported its engine shutting down while on the bridge just as the tower collapse happened, and this is reminiscent of EM technology. Other people driving their cars experienced heat phenomena in their vehicles up to 3 miles away from the WTC. This was all in Dr. Wood's report to the courts.
Another scary detail that came up is that it was discovered by wreckage removers that many of the burned-looking cars around the WTC actually had no engines in them. (Photographic proof is given.) This means they were likely brought there to make it appear as if high heat were involved, in order to offset any reports of super-cooling. The wreckage team's reports to government, the courts, and the media were also silenced.
The city blocks surrounding the WTC were littered with office papers from the towers. Millions and millions of pieces of paper that did not show signs of burning could be found even at ground zero. So on one hand we see melted steel frames and on the other we see undamaged pieces of paper. The only explanation is EM technology. It affects metal but not organic material.
The government started clearing the WTC site completely as soon as the dust settled, not allowing the various experts in to analyze the wreckage. Dissenting scientists were systematically censored, including Dr. Wood in the video above. Their concerns about the metal showing signs of super-cooling and not super-heating were quietly ignored.
The official report of what happened on 9/11 does not line up with the physical reports. It is physically impossible for those two planes alone to destroy the steel-reinforced superstructure of the building along with all of the backup reinforcements - a very design which was intended to thwart such plane attacks. It was also build to withstand high heat, fires, earthquakes, structural impacts, etc. So how did steel frames turn to dust before they hit the ground?
I believe wholeheartedly that one or more American government institutions were responsible for orchestrating or were part of a greater organization's orchestrating of this controlled demolition. I'm not sure I really believe that the U.S. government pulled this off on its own. The level of technology that Dr. Wood implicates is well beyond what mainstream scientists have access to. This is not only military grade but it's probably even higher level than that.
I don't believe in the illuminatti but I do believe in clandestined non-government organizations that are basically playing chess with our planet. They include the Rothschilds, Rockafellers, the Bilderberg group, the Council on Foreign Relations, and any group that our countries' leaders are closed members of.
The scary thing is that if they can do this to a building, the same technology has implications in weather control. Projects like HAARP have a similar or broader capacity. They can alter the upper atmosphere, cause earthquakes, redirect water resources, etc. Whoever the cabal is operating behind the government has uncontrolled abilities that the public is largely ignorant of.
I was always skeptical about the told events of 9/11 but I didn't really start questioning the government until I saw this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfPKISxnyU
EDIT: the interview on youtube appears to be incomplete, use this presentation instead: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr...-horizons-where-did-the-towers-go-part-1_tech
It's an interview with Dr. Judy Wood (PhD in engineering) who was part of the consulting team who did the initial ground investigations after the towers collapsed. She uses the official report combined with the scientific method and simple demolition physics to analyze 9/11 from the ground up, instead of starting with a conclusion and setting out to prove it as other truthers do. She was one of the first engineers assigned by the government to analyze ground zero, but as the report was being formed she noticed key pieces of important information being deliberately left out, and outright refusals from her superiors. She eventually became a whistle blower who tried to bring information to the courts that contradicted the official story of the time, and although the judge admitted her proof was sound, he had to dismiss the case because of the political climate. She has concrete evidence, unlike many other truthers, and she was on the inside of the official investigation before she decided to step out of it for reasons she explains. To me, Dr. Judy Wood already has already come up with the best explanation, and because of her title and work with the government she has more credibility. (She has a website which you can google, where she is constantly posting proof about 9/11.)
All of the following statements are proven in this video:
The buildings were basically dustified with some sort of unknown EM technology that uses intersecting radio waves within a combined field, also called the Hutchinson Effect. In every day 9/11 footage we see pieces of the tower falling off and turning to dust before they hit the ground - not falling through dust but becoming dust. John Hutchinson, an independent scientist, has used simple broadband radiowaves to demonstrate this is possible in his home lab. It's a technique that does not require much energy, just correct field angles that are well timed. He has not only dustified solid steel but he has bent it and levitated it using this technique. (Look him up, there is video proof as well.) The government already acquired his knowledge years ago through raiding his home. Hutchinson used Nicholas Tesla's preliminary work which demonstrated the power of radio waves in altering physical matter at the turn of the 20th century. Upon Tesla's death, his papers were seized by the U.S. government and classified.
The sub-basement of the WTC, including all the parking garages, were basically undamaged. Millions of tonnes of steel falling into the foundation should have easily gone through it, but even the first sub-level and the shopping mall were untouched. The only explanation is that the material was dustified before it hit the ground. Even the visual record of the wreckage shows substantially less physical material than should have been there for buildings of their size; and what material was there was bent into impossible shapes.
There are two side effects from using this technology. One is that the dust is actually colder than ambient temperature and not hot. In the WTC debris we see bent steel frames in shapes that are impossible without very high heat. If it was so hot then why were people not being burned to death by the resulting particulate dust that blanketed the city?
The use of this technology will fry car engines and melt car door handles within the proximity radius of the field, which was seen on 9/11 all the way out the edge of Manhattan. (One thing the news conveniently failed to report, but many independent sources noted. There is footage online and shown in this interview.) An ambulance reported its engine shutting down while on the bridge just as the tower collapse happened, and this is reminiscent of EM technology. Other people driving their cars experienced heat phenomena in their vehicles up to 3 miles away from the WTC. This was all in Dr. Wood's report to the courts.
Another scary detail that came up is that it was discovered by wreckage removers that many of the burned-looking cars around the WTC actually had no engines in them. (Photographic proof is given.) This means they were likely brought there to make it appear as if high heat were involved, in order to offset any reports of super-cooling. The wreckage team's reports to government, the courts, and the media were also silenced.
The city blocks surrounding the WTC were littered with office papers from the towers. Millions and millions of pieces of paper that did not show signs of burning could be found even at ground zero. So on one hand we see melted steel frames and on the other we see undamaged pieces of paper. The only explanation is EM technology. It affects metal but not organic material.
The government started clearing the WTC site completely as soon as the dust settled, not allowing the various experts in to analyze the wreckage. Dissenting scientists were systematically censored, including Dr. Wood in the video above. Their concerns about the metal showing signs of super-cooling and not super-heating were quietly ignored.
The official report of what happened on 9/11 does not line up with the physical reports. It is physically impossible for those two planes alone to destroy the steel-reinforced superstructure of the building along with all of the backup reinforcements - a very design which was intended to thwart such plane attacks. It was also build to withstand high heat, fires, earthquakes, structural impacts, etc. So how did steel frames turn to dust before they hit the ground?
I believe wholeheartedly that one or more American government institutions were responsible for orchestrating or were part of a greater organization's orchestrating of this controlled demolition. I'm not sure I really believe that the U.S. government pulled this off on its own. The level of technology that Dr. Wood implicates is well beyond what mainstream scientists have access to. This is not only military grade but it's probably even higher level than that.
I don't believe in the illuminatti but I do believe in clandestined non-government organizations that are basically playing chess with our planet. They include the Rothschilds, Rockafellers, the Bilderberg group, the Council on Foreign Relations, and any group that our countries' leaders are closed members of.
The scary thing is that if they can do this to a building, the same technology has implications in weather control. Projects like HAARP have a similar or broader capacity. They can alter the upper atmosphere, cause earthquakes, redirect water resources, etc. Whoever the cabal is operating behind the government has uncontrolled abilities that the public is largely ignorant of.
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MrGrunge
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^ Just a heads up, Dr. Wood's theories aren't even popular in the Truther community.
Here's an article by fellow Truther James Gourley pointing out some of her clearly flawed methodologies.
Here's an article by fellow Truther James Gourley pointing out some of her clearly flawed methodologies.
Wyld 4 X
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Too bad you only plan to post once here because these last few sentences opens up the possibility that climate change is more man made than advertised. Or am I reading too much into that?
I've read it, and I don't believe it.
MyFinalRest
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No, I do not think that any radical Jihadist group was involved at all with 9/11. My belief currently stands at this: "Al Qaeda" is just a phony brand name assigned to any anti-american militant operation in a muslim country. There is no such thing as a globally unified radical jihadist movement.
The plans were probably thought up in the late 1990's.
The Neo-conservative "stink tank" known as the Project for the New American Century released the following statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#.22New_Pearl_Harbor.22
Names associated with this group were highly influential in the Bush II admin and were very popular in the media after 9/11. They are also adamantly anti-Arab and pro-Israel in their views.
-Hillary Clinton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vast_right-wing_conspiracy
Hmmm...she knew something was up during those years....
MrGrunge
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Of course you don't.
MyFinalRest
Bluelighter
Once again here is Ace Baker refuting both Judy Wood's and James Gourley's shit.
The Great American PsyOpera 04 - Phenomena
I agree with Ace, it was a tactical fucking nuke, not a "beam" weapon nor was it only conventional explosives/thermite.
It's key to differentiate between "collapse" and total disintigration, i.e. "dustification." Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth have it quite wrong when they state conventional demolition explosives caused the wtcs to collapse into their own footprint. They did not. The twin towers were pulverized into a fine dust which spread over Manhattan and the atmosphere.
The Great American PsyOpera 04 - Phenomena
I agree with Ace, it was a tactical fucking nuke, not a "beam" weapon nor was it only conventional explosives/thermite.
It's key to differentiate between "collapse" and total disintigration, i.e. "dustification." Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth have it quite wrong when they state conventional demolition explosives caused the wtcs to collapse into their own footprint. They did not. The twin towers were pulverized into a fine dust which spread over Manhattan and the atmosphere.
MrGrunge
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I, for one, turn to MFR for all of my 9/11-related Youtube video needs.
MyFinalRest
Bluelighter
Who knows how many "aces" Ace Baker has up his sleeve? Jesse has already played his deck...
Jesse's got deep vein thrombosis too.
Jesse's got deep vein thrombosis too.
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rickolasnice
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A lot of (most of) the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 are complete bull..
"Phone calls couldn't have happened from that high up" .. yeah from cell phones.. plane phones would work.
"The hole in pentagon is too small" .. look at the 1945 accident where a bomber flew into the empire state building.. hole is rather small with little to no wing damage.. not to mention the pictures most conspiracy theorists use are incredibly misleading..
"No wreckage".. what about this, and this, and this *shows pictures of plane wreckage found*.. there's an ariel view where you can clearly see A LOT of aluminium looking debris all piled up sporting the colour of the plane.
I even heard one person say "but people at the pentagon said they heard a high pitched noise then a whoosh as it went past them.. a plane would't do that.." .. i had to explain the doppler affect to her..
What really wound me up was the attitude of this group.. 9/11 truth movers on facebook is anyone's interested.. Every time I'd give them hard evidence that disproves their claim I would be called a troll and then came the personal insults. It's like nigger pwease.. where's your rebbutal? "troll is troll get out of here you sheeple idiot"..
But It really wouldn't surprise me if the american government knew it was going to happen / goaded it to happen / orchestrated it..
"Phone calls couldn't have happened from that high up" .. yeah from cell phones.. plane phones would work.
"The hole in pentagon is too small" .. look at the 1945 accident where a bomber flew into the empire state building.. hole is rather small with little to no wing damage.. not to mention the pictures most conspiracy theorists use are incredibly misleading..
"No wreckage".. what about this, and this, and this *shows pictures of plane wreckage found*.. there's an ariel view where you can clearly see A LOT of aluminium looking debris all piled up sporting the colour of the plane.
I even heard one person say "but people at the pentagon said they heard a high pitched noise then a whoosh as it went past them.. a plane would't do that.." .. i had to explain the doppler affect to her..
What really wound me up was the attitude of this group.. 9/11 truth movers on facebook is anyone's interested.. Every time I'd give them hard evidence that disproves their claim I would be called a troll and then came the personal insults. It's like nigger pwease.. where's your rebbutal? "troll is troll get out of here you sheeple idiot"..
But It really wouldn't surprise me if the american government knew it was going to happen / goaded it to happen / orchestrated it..
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Oh and the whole thing did seem a lot like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Which leads on to another conspiracy theory.. was his refusal of Op. Northwoods why he assassinated? Maybe his want to get rid of the federal reserve? Or? Or?
Truth is false flag operations exist. And i strongly believe our governments are capable of pulling them off.
Which leads on to another conspiracy theory.. was his refusal of Op. Northwoods why he assassinated? Maybe his want to get rid of the federal reserve? Or? Or?
Truth is false flag operations exist. And i strongly believe our governments are capable of pulling them off.
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MyFinalRest
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Fucking please...the government orchestrated it. period. There is no way an amatuer "Muslim" pilot did a perfect maneuver into the pentagon, and I've already been through how fake the wtc plane images look.
Just cause there are tiny scraps of aluminum with only one bearing some resemblance to the airline logo doesn't mean shit. Those "whiteshirt" goons could have planted that logo piece easy. There is no way every body, piece of luggage, and every other plane part simply disappeared like that into something unrecognizable as a plane wreck.
I've presented a much better argument and like the rest, I wonder if you are too damn lazy to read it? You have plenty of confidence but so far absolutely zero substance to back up your claims. Are you ready for round deux?
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^ Parts of people.. including a wedding ring.. were also found..
And anecdotal reports of a pilot not being skilled enough to pull it off is just that.. anecdotal reports.. it could have been he was just extremely lucky but i've seen complete amateurs take control of a plane and have no problems flying it..
And the planes look fake at wtc's 1 and 2.. what were they then?
And anecdotal reports of a pilot not being skilled enough to pull it off is just that.. anecdotal reports.. it could have been he was just extremely lucky but i've seen complete amateurs take control of a plane and have no problems flying it..
And the planes look fake at wtc's 1 and 2.. what were they then?
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Please.. give me something you believe to be evidence to support your claims and i'll be more than happy to try and counter..