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Alright I am going to take the plunge. Datura.

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I know it is stupid, I know the dangers. How though can I find a safe dosage before I embark on this trip? I know dosages vary, but what would one say is a safe dosage for datura?
 
well the medicinal practice was to create it into a fatty substance and have it absorbed into your skin, but I didn't bother reading about it. this was meant to filter out the unwanted ingredients I believe
 
from what i have read, smoking the flowers is "safest" while eating the berries is "stupidest".

the reason is, flowers are fairly weak in terms of alkaloids, and the speed of onset from smoking allows you to titrate dosage easily.

since it doesn't look like we can convince you otherwise, please be safe. start with 1/2 a dried flower, and smoke it in small tokes with several minutes in between.

GET A TRIP SITTER!
 
If you know it's stupid, but you're going to do it anyway... doesn't that make you stupid too?

Really - you do not understand who you're fucking with.

If you insist on asserting your stupidity, please only smoke tiny fragments of the blossoms (or tinier fragments of the leaves). With as much respect as you can muster.

And as greenmeanies advised, please please please have someone around to watch you...

Nobody will be able to give you a "safe dosage", because if you had researched adequately, you would know that there is enormous variation in alkaloid content between each plant, and even each part of the plant (leaves, flowers, seeds, roots, etc) - not to mention seasonal variation.

The best way for most people to get to know Datura is simply by cultivating her, being with her, and perhaps sleeping with a blossom or two under the pillow...

It is not too late to reconsider...
 
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Delirious trip, lack of memory about everything is happen even remind you take Datura, no safe dosage.
All Datura plants contain tropane alkaloids such as scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine, primarily in their seeds and flowers. There can be a 5:1 toxin variation across plants, and a given plant's toxicity depends on its age, where it is growing, and the local weather conditions. Datura intoxication typically produces effects similar to that of an anticholinergic delirium: a complete inability to differentiate reality from fantasy (delirium, as contrasted to hallucination); hyperthermia; tachycardia; bizarre, and possibly violent behavior; and severe mydriasis with resultant painful photophobia that can last several days. Pronounced amnesia is another commonly reported effect.
 
What are the original poster's reasons for this? If it is because they have no connection for safer drugs, then please be patient. Something or someone will turn up to help, but Datura is surely not the answer.
Above posts have spelled out the reasons why very clearly. I can't speak from experience, but if you imagine a pie chart representing the overall effects of this family of drugs, then most of it will comprise of unpleasant or dangerous effects. Even the hallucination/delusional aspects, as far as I have read, are not exactly enlightening. They are characterised by an eternal hunt for a cigarette which may or may not exist or have been lit. That and speaking in tongues (Like the buffoons on the God Channel but worse!) or behaving in ways which will get you locked up/sectioned under the mental health act.
There are those who pursue this herb having worked up to it but they are either very brave/foolhardy or perhaps both. If you want to dip your toe into something seriously mindbending outside the usual suspects, why not try Salvia Divinorum. You can freak yourself out splendidly from a mental point of view, but at least you wouldn't be putting your life/physical health at such risk.
Take care. I hope you find what you are looking for, but like everyone else, I suggest you do not use Datura as your guide.
Peace - Pipp.
 
Propyl Power said:
If you know it's stupid, but you're going to do it anyway... doesn't that make you stupid too?

Really - you do not understand who you're fucking with.
If you insist on asserting your stupidity, please only smoke tiny fragments of the blossoms (or tinier fragments of the leaves). With as much respect as you can muster.

And as greenmeanies advised, please please please have someone around to watch you...

Nobody will be able to give you a "safe dosage", because if you had researched adequately, you would know that there is enormous variation in alkaloid content between each plant, and even each part of the plant (leaves, flowers, seeds, roots, etc) - not to mention seasonal variation.

The best way for most people to get to know Datura is simply by cultivating her, being with her, and perhaps sleeping with a blossom or two under the pillow...
It is not too late to reconsider...
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You do know it's not a person don't you? That it's a plant?

But to the OP, if you are hellbent on going ahead, make sure you read ALL the trip reports on Erowid. ALL of the reports. Then take a week out to think things over again regards whether you want to do it.
 
There is no safe way to dose. Datura is not safe.

From the Erowid Datura Vault Dosage page:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_dose.shtml

There is no way to guess a reasonable dose, because potency of the plant material itself and appropriate dose for an individual appear to vary so much. The question of what "reasonable" means for something that so often leads to such ridiculously negative effects is hard to say.


As a general rule, Erowid neither recommends nor discourages the use of any psychoactive, however, in the case of tropane alkaloid-containing Solanaceae plants, we think it is important to note that an overwhelming majority of those who describe to us their use of Datura (and to a lesser extent, Belladonna, Brugmansia and Brunfelsia) find their experiences extremely mentally and physically unpleasant and not infrequently physically dangerous.
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OP, Get ready for extreme delirium (actually, you can't get ready)

Seriously though, like RZA mentioned, read up ALL the info in the Erowid Datura Vault, especially the trip reports. These trip reports have greatly entertained me in the past, they are quite epic.

If you want to go completely insane for 18 hours, go right ahead, but know that alkaloid content varies a lot (like mentioned above) so you will never find a reliable source that will give you an appropriate dosage. Also, a sitter is CRUCIAL. Your window may very well appear to you like the gateway to the land of happy gnomes, even if you live on the tenth floor.

IMPORTANT: MAKE SURE YOUR SITTER IS STRONG ENOUGH TO PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN YOU IF NECESSARY!
 
Alright after reading the responses, I am not going to try it. I am not going to risk my life and end up in cardiac arrest. If there is no safe dosage, fuck it. Ill stick with ayahuasca
 
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OP, Get ready for extreme delirium (actually, you can't get ready)

Seriously though, like RZA mentioned, read up ALL the info in the Erowid Datura Vault, especially the trip reports. These trip reports have greatly entertained me in the past, they are quite epic.

If you want to go completely insane for 18 hours, go right ahead, but know that alkaloid content varies a lot (like mentioned above) so you will never find a reliable source that will give you an appropriate dosage. Also, a sitter is CRUCIAL. Your window may very well appear to you like the gateway to the land of happy gnomes, even if you live on the tenth floor.

IMPORTANT: MAKE SURE YOUR SITTER IS STRONG ENOUGH TO PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN YOU IF NECESSARY!
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Btw Visitor, I am heading through montreal today. Are there any detours up on highway 25/20(froget what one),40? If you know
 
Havign taken datura myself I can tgell you arent missing much. Its not fun. Its not interesting. Its vaguely memeorable. Im glad i crossed it off the list but it was not worth it. It was like some sort of hell. I was plagued with physical discomfort like dry mouth and inability to walk properly. Couldt think or sleep or see properly. It put me out of commision for like 3 days afterwards. It made me feel as if I had been poisoned. I had. They say the dose makes the poison. No. At no dose does this feel in anyway pleasurable. The threshhold effects consisted of "WTF is wrong with me" increasing doses led to me getting lost in some kind of DXMspace meets my house, mets the Amityville horror and a bunch of people I hadnt seen in a while meeting in some Hellish nexus. No cool visuals since they were indistinguishable from reality. I lost my inhaler (what a horrible time to lose it) and I kept seeing it and grabbing it and it would dissapear. Did 800mg of benadryl once too. Similair experience. If one is just fiending for that delirant rush i guess go with benadryl. at least there arent varying levels of diphenhydramine from pill to pill.
 
After fucking around with benedryl back in the day, I would pass. I kept on seeing people walk around in my kitchen, bugs everywhere, and just a shitty feeling. Somehow I managed to sleep, I didn't want to be away any longer. Good decision staying away.
 
^ if you're hell-bent on an anti-cholinergic "trip" try eating 200mg of benadryl first. at least you know you're getting a precise dose of single drug.
 
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