Just because i said it was a Muslim site and not a Christain one doesnt mean i didnt read it. I assumed it was Muslim and didnt even care what it was.I read enough of the site to get the drift.
I read:
"It is asserted by Muslims that the Meccan Arabs are descendents of Ishmael. They also claim that Ishmael settled in Mecca where he, along with Abraham, built the Kabah and passed on the religion of the true God to his offspring. It is believed that throughout time the Ishmaelites perverted the worship of the true God, not by abandoning their belief in him, but by adding other gods in their worship, thus perverting the religion of the God of their father Ishmael."
~ and could we not change it to "It is believed that throughout time the Israelites perverted the worship of the true God, not by abandoning their belief in him, but by adding other gods in their worship, thus perverting the religion of the God of their father Isacc".?
Yes, could change it because the same thing happened that way.
Your site points out the paganism of them but yet they are blind to their own paganism in the Bible. Rachel stole her father's idols to keep as her own. why? It has been said that Rachel worshipped other gods.Jacob put a pillar of her god on her grave. Flesh eating was pagan as was sacrefices. Heck, the Christains are even more pagan because their holy day is the nonbiblical Sunday fully taking on the pagan's day of worship unlike the Jews and Muslims who kept the Sabbath as Commanded by God in the 10 Commandents. Since Jesus, Peter, and Paul all observed the Sabbath some christains who say they are following the Bible, do not. So the Muslims could point that all out because there is nothing about "being saved under grace and needing to change the Sabbath because that is the day Jesus rose" from in the Bible. The Muslims could take that alone and tell you that you don't believe in "THE GOD", the God of Abraham.
Also, speaking of the God of Abraham it was him that was the first Jew. Adam and Noah werent Jewish but of Arab descent.
"Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Long ago your ancestors-Terah and his sons Abraham and Nahor... served other gods." (Joshua 24:2 ) For the first seventy-five years of his life Abraham worshipped Sumerian gods. Then, God called him out of his family and out of his country. Since he is the father of Ishmael and Isacc, then he is the father of both nations.
But that is beside the point. Your referred to site points mainly to the pagan worship that went on among the tribes yet ignoring the fact that their own Bible stories have their Fathers honoring the same gods.
In Numbers 25:1-3 of our Bible it says " And Israel abode in Shittim and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrefices of their gods and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. and Israel joined himself unto Baal and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel.
in Psalms 106 after Moses has led the Israelites to Canaan things looked so good for the Canaanites the Jews began to worship their god (baal) too in a "let's not take chances with just one God kind of way"
It says they married the heathans and had their children and served their idols including sacreficing their children. When things got bad for them and they cried out to God he delivered them but they would forget and turn back towards Him for other gods again.. It took them along time before they came back to serving God.
In place of the firstborn Israelites, God specifically appointed the tribe of Levi as his special servants so they had no excuse for offering their children ( numbers 3:11-13).
The book of Judges writes about the struggle between God Almighty and Baal for His people and the attraction to and worshipping of the Canaanites god's by the Isrealites.It took the Assyrians totally destroying Israel and the Babylonian captivity of Judah to convince the Israelites that there is only one true God. God and Allah both bring their people back the same way by showing them His wrath.
There really is many examples of Israelites worshipping idols and other gods but i think i made my point there.
~ So my point is that depending on the time in question the Muslims could write that the Isrealites didn't worship the one true God. And at one time the Ishemelites could have prayed the same Psalm as the site used to support the Ishemelites turning away from God as their own. They could have sang a Psalm about the Isrealites "who have turned away from the one true God for baal".
As far as the site saying "Allah says this" and critiquing unGodlike characteristics about what He allegedly said, again the same thing can apply to God's contridictions out of His mouth in the Bible. I don't believe that any true God would tell someone to murder another leading someone astray from His Laws. But Christains usually justify why babies were allowed to be murdered. I don't buy that God wanted that anymore then your site has perversed Allah's words the same way.- as a tool for their own gain.
And speaking of Moses and God's Law i believe that Moses worshipped other gods too before God rescued him. He was trained while being brought up to learn about all of the gods especially Re-Harakhty, Aton, the Sun-disc (Horus, previously)who was the biggest god in Egypt. When God gave the Ten Commandments to him it was with good reason. God wanted everything written in stone since they had taken on the ways of the Egyptians after being slaves for a few thousand years. God was very specific concerning other gods when He told Moses what He wanted. He didnt want any Gods before Him or worshipping of graven images. He wanted His day observed by resting, the 7th Day as He created in Eden when we were created in his image. Not SUNday, which the Egyptians had been worshipping on. And no murder. All of these laws were especially important because it seperated Him from all of the other gods which He wanted an end to all practices of. Hmmm, Moses is another thread, though. nonetheless, Moses himself and what he brings with him walks the fine line of "whose side was he on" if you read about what theologist have revealed of his history. It was through him that Yahweh, the god of Horeb (a volcano), became Yahweh the Lord God of Israel. And despite the fact that Moses managed to bring his people back to the God of Israel he still struggled with sorting out everything for himself.
The site claims that Ishmael is not the father of Muhammad because of what the Bible has recorded. It also says "Furthermore, there is no evidence apart from the later Muslim traditions that Ishmael ever married a Jurhumite woman since the Holy Bible indicates that he married an Egyptian. The Holy Bible also tells us where Ishmael's sons settled."
Okay my problem with that is the Bible follows the history of the Jews. I would suspect that the Bible would be in error on the part of Ishemel marrying an Egyptian instead of a Jurhumite woman, and not the other way around. Ishemel no longer became relevant as far as the Bible is concerned after he was castaway. I think the Muslims know their history a little better then the Hebrews would. Trying to prove that Muhammad didnt descend from Ishmeal would be like trying to prove Jesus's descendants at all. What we have as "evidence" can easily be disputed. We have the same faith in our evidence of Jesus as the Muslims hold for Muhammad.
The site says that " Unlike the Quran, the Holy Bible contains no historical errors" as well as " For the Quran to be the word of Allah and for Allah to be God one should find no grammatical mistakes, especially since Muslims claim that the Quran contains no human element whatsoever. Muslim view is that the Quran was dictated word for word to Muhammad, which implies that Allah is the Author of these grammatical errors. This disqualifies Allah from being God, especially Yahweh God of the Holy Bible.
The Bible contains grammactical errors on parts of the scholars and yet it is supposed to have been wrote the same way. They could say the same thing about our Bible. In fact, they could go through it bit by bit just as this site did and point out contridictions in the God of the Bible.Also, for them to say that the Bible contains NO historical errors is a pretty broad statement.
At that point was when i stopped reading your sites. I had my answers. This site doesnt do anything but attack the Muslim religion in the same way it could be done to Christainity.
I did read something else but i will comment on it tomorrow.
And despite what you may think Sohi it is not in my agenda to go against whatever mainstream suggest. It is in my best interest though to be my own leader in my own Light and research everything i can and not limit myself to one book all the time. By doing so i found the truth in all religions and have found how they are really one. By doing so i can see what stories change from book to book, religion to religion. All different, yet all a common thread. All have what man has brought in... man made lies sowed into it for their own control and intentions, but somewhere in them all is the Light.You believe youre right, they believe they are, Hindus believe they are... everyone knowing they are right. In some ways they are, in some ways they are not.
