All Things Fitness/Gym/Aesthetics 2012: So Homoerotic!

[ColtDan]

Dubstep can only be listened to on days where too much ketamine has been consumed.

no.

 

[rockstar 69]

and the sit ups you do whilst cycling your legs, on your back and touching elbow to opposite knee - don't know the name -

Those things are fucking brutal. Done them a few times but generally leave them out, reckon it's better just using the ball with your legs up on a step if you know what I mean, that, carribbean twists (youtube if you don't know what I mean) and the crunch machine with 3 x 5kg weights on the bottom.

I think I've mastered how to have a weekend on it and not miss the gym too much. I did legs on friday morning, then chest and biceps on friday night, before I went out. Allowed me to miss yesterday and not feel too bad about it. Heading to the gym soonish I think.

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

From experience the most effective things I found was 600s, German Volume Training + keto, and HIIT.
600's - 600 reps non stop, lift heavy, when you do all 600 in under 20 mins up the weight on every lift.
GVT - 10x10 and 6seconds per rep (3 seconds each way) couple this with a keto diet as you won't have as much energy whilst on keto!
HIIT - high intensity interval training 1 min slow paced on a spin bike or something, then 30 seconds as hard and fast as possible! Repeat till you've done at least 3 mins of going flat out, make the slow rest period longer if you need it!
Keep you protein high and supplement with shakes, don't worry too much about fat intake but keep sat fat below 15g a day. Limit your carbs! Carbs are the secret! Taper your carbs throughout the day.
Steroids - its your choice be sensible, I just got 2 vials of test prop today as I do 2 week cycles ATM I used to do 12 weeks on average but respond best doing 2 weeks at a time

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

Forgot to explain the 600s lol
Each set is 60 reps so
15x leg press
15x bench press
15x pull downs
15x overhead dumbbell press
Do 10 sets non stop, keep the intensity high so your doing your cardio and weights together

 

[Treacle]

Is it even slightly recommended to try and bodybuild, whilst on a non-carb diet? I was going to start one, but then I actually realised what the side effects were. Sounds shit.

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

hi treacle, a non-carb/keto diet CAN work well... BUT you need to change your training, cardio goes out the window and you wont be anywhere near as strong feeling as normal, thats not to say you cant get great benefits whilst doing so though, look at German Volume Training, i do keto and GVT together for a month or so at a time. steroids are useful during this period, something short lasting like an oral anavar, winstrol, turinabol are a safe choice with minimum sides and dont require a PCT (although some will argue here)
worst thing about zero carb and GVT is its incredibly fucking BORING!

 

[Marmalade]

me and NerdBoy have this debate a lot. He says it can't really be done by completely cutting out carbs due to a) as you say buffnstuff, it can leave you feeling weak and b) the body needs to get its energy from somewhere when you're doing a heavy session of weights (which is the only thing he does at the gym really, no cardio at all, cept cycling there and back. )

and the bigger you get the more energy you need, and it's energy that needs to be accessible during a session. and relying on your bodyfat reserves wont help you in that situation. the bigger you get, the harder it becomes I think.

from watching him train with various different regimes over the last 6 years or so, I recon it can be done, with minimal carbs, but by just keeping them to the refined kind, in a shake an hour before your session ... glucose powder in your shake or whatever. then not having any after at all ('cept veg with your meals of high protein), and just loading up with shakes without carbs added at all other times.

I think it gives him a sharper definition doing it that way and he loses much more body fat. but the pre session shake with the right carb is crucial

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Is it even slightly recommended to try and bodybuild, whilst on a non-carb diet? I was going to start one, but then I actually realised what the side effects were. Sounds shit.

I am currently doing Intermittent Fasting, which you can find more info about at www.leangains.com. You basically don't eat for 16 hours of the day, which after the first few days is piss easy. You then eat your calculated daily amount in those 8 hours, which will be higher if you're bulking and lower if you're cutting, as well as fluctuate in fat content depending on whether you are exercising that day or not. My diet on this has been around 60-70% protein, 20-30% carbs, roughly 5-10% fats? It seems to be having the desired effect in that I am gradually increasing in strength and muscle, but also shedding fat down and I am getting closer and closer to my target of dropping below 10% bf. It is a lot easier to control your diet this way consistently over time than it is to plan out say 6 meals a day. I try not to eat any simple carbs or processed carbs like bread. I don't drink or eat anything like whey before I work out because it makes me feel a bit sick, but you might feel the benefit from it. I do have a strong coffee to get the caffeine in my system to give me some GO. I'm sure all this will change during the next bulking phase.

You will get pretty decent results from going carb free i.e. you will get shreded. But I think you will lose a bit of muscle and strength. You'll also probably feel a bit shitty from it, and more than likely give up (I would). I don't understand why buff keeps advocating GVT, as it is quite advanced and probably not something i'd do without steroids or until you've peaked. I think a good place to start as far as lifting is concerned is starting strength. Did you get round to getting any whey powder in the end? Or BCAAa/EAAs? I took a rather extended break from working out just as the BCAA thing was starting, and i've only just started using them. And they are insanely good for building up muscle and strength, as well as recovery. Personally I would also save roids until you've peaked. Starting them too early is pointless and very easy to bugger up...

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

the difference between low carb diets and zero carb diets is that when you switch to zero carb, you body goes into ketosis. in doing so you need to increase your fat intake dramatically! you find yourself eating lots of bacon, cheese, eggs etc. you want high protein and medium fat.
your body is forced to switch to burning the only available fuel source which is now fat as your body would have depleted any carbs you had. using something like Cytomel/T3 can help with this greatly. as said, you will struggle to lift big BUT thats not to say you cant train hard and well, GVT if you havent tried it before will suprise you! you find yourself struggling curling 17.5kg dumbbells when each rep is 6 seconds in total! you lose any momentum you have when training normally, 10 sets of 10 work a treat iv found! im going to start keto and GVT again and also going to start 2 weeks of testosterone proprinate shortly.... let the bordem commence! haha

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

You will get pretty decent results from going carb free i.e. you will get shreded. But I think you will lose a bit of muscle and strength. You'll also probably feel a bit shitty from it, and more than likely give up (I would). I don't understand why buff keeps advocating GVT, as it is quite advanced and probably not something i'd do without steroids or until you've peaked

GVT isnt advanced, dont be fooled, its just 6 seconds per rep and 10 sets of 10, if you want to pair up some muscle groups go for it, alternating each set and just do 5 sets of each. my friend took some european titles last year (285kg bench press was one of them! :O ) and in his words... "lifting weights is easy! you can teach a monkey to lift weights!"
agreed with what i call heavy steroids, they are not needed unless your getting very serious, but things like anavar, winstrol, turinabol are very mild but will aid you in losing any muscle.
keto DOES make you feel shit, days 1-4/5 get harder and harder BUT after then you feel fine, your body has adjusted and you just feel normal

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

GVT isnt advanced, dont be fooled, its just 6 seconds per rep and 10 sets of 10, if you want to pair up some muscle groups go for it, alternating each set and just do 5 sets of each. my friend took some european titles last year (285kg bench press was one of them! :O ) and in his words... "lifting weights is easy! you can teach a monkey to lift weights!"
agreed with what i call heavy steroids, they are not needed unless your getting very serious, but things like anavar, winstrol, turinabol are very mild but will aid you in losing any muscle.
keto DOES make you feel shit, days 1-4/5 get harder and harder BUT after then you feel fine, your body has adjusted and you just feel normal

Nothing is particularly advanced in lifting terms, but what I mean is SS gets you to grips with the various major compound lifts needed to get a good base going and properly utilise your start up phase when you gain the most IMO.

 

[Treacle]

MSB: My mate has got some HUGE BCAA tablets, and I've been taking those, before and after my workout. I am going to get some whey, however. I may have a look now. Steroids aren't on my list of things to try - I want to do it alone. Also, my liver has already had too much abuse, and I couldn't bring myself to inject them, to bypass the liver.

My slightly crazy friend tells me that ketosis feels absolutely amazing, after the start. I can't really vouch for her, however.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

MSB: My mate has got some HUGE BCAA tablets, and I've been taking those, before and after my workout. I am going to get some whey, however. I may have a look now. Steroids aren't on my list of things to try - I want to do it alone. Also, my liver has already had too much abuse, and I couldn't bring myself to inject them, to bypass the liver.

My slightly crazy friend tells me that ketosis feels absolutely amazing, after the start. I can't really vouch for her, however.

Ketosis feels good in that it is a real source of power and control. In my experience it doesn't actually 'feel' good in your body if that makes sense? You just feel a bit tireder and weaker than usual. Have you been having much success with your BCAA tabs? I still stick by recommending IF. I get the same feelings of control that I got from the ketosis, but less fatigue and it seems to have more longevity to it.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

This training video is mental:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGlne26Z6Qw

YEAH BUDDDDDYYYY LIGHTWEIGHT. AINT NUTTIN BUT A PEANUT!

 

[Treacle]

I can't say I've noticed any huge difference, even with BCAAs. I've only been at it again for a few months, and I've got some gains. My triceps and forearms are definitely bigger, and my arms seem to have lost some fat, as they seem more solid. I have lost half a stone, though - which I am chuffed about.

 

[swedger77]

Ketosis feels good in that it is a real source of power and control. In my experience it doesn't actually 'feel' good in your body if that makes sense? You just feel a bit tireder and weaker than usual. Have you been having much success with your BCAA tabs? I still stick by recommending IF. I get the same feelings of control that I got from the ketosis, but less fatigue and it seems to have more longevity to it.

I did keto for a week. Belly (small ponch) and minor moobs vanished. Felt drained the whole time and very short tempered. Almost had a square go with a guy i was working with.....in a bust office. oops...Got the carbs back, and i felt miles better. Just avoided bread and pasta for about a year. The helped keep the belly at bay.

 

[rockstar 69]

This training video is mental:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGlne26Z6Qw

YEAH BUDDDDDYYYY LIGHTWEIGHT. AINT NUTTIN BUT A PEANUT!

Fuck ever being that big though. Aziz/Zyzz was the boy where the bodybuilding is concerned. 95kg at 8% bodyfat, even that's pretty big.

I've drawn up my own gym programme today with a couple of new exercises like Russian Deadlifts and Kickback's in it. And missed out the stuff off the old programme I never bothered with. Been tanning the cardio and legs today can hardly walk just now. Been reading on how to make a bodybuilding diet, but without knowing what the food contains it's more tricky than designing my own programme was.

 

[ColtDan]

Been back on the cardio and body weight after fairly rapidly going from 9.4stone to a bit over 10, feeling a bit more flabby and looking it. need to cut down on carbs and sugar. diet is full of healthy stuff, but also seem to be binge eating more, plus no stims for ages

 

[rockstar 69]

It seems that 300g carbs, 300g protein, 70g carbs is what I'm needing a day. Trying to work that out in terms of what to eat when is tricky though. Just had porridge followed by 2 boiled eggs and green tea. It's just getting the right meal at the right time that's the problem, no use using diets online or other peoples ones as it's what suits your needs but I think I'll need some help planning this. Read a lot online but still none the wiser.

 

[Furious George]

Been back on the cardio and body weight after fairly rapidly going from 9.4stone to a bit over 10, feeling a bit more flabby and looking it. need to cut down on carbs and sugar. diet is full of healthy stuff, but also seem to be binge eating more, plus no stims for ages

How tall are you Dan? I can't imagine that at just over 10 stone you're holding much fat.