All Indicators Point to a Softening of America's Harsh Marijuana Laws

Clinton was a pot smoking Fleetwood Mac re-uniter, and he kept up the most draconian drug laws and busted medical patients. Its not gonna take one president to change drug policy, as Bushs cohorts feared backdoor marijuana users can get medical marijuana, althogh i firmly believe that a few cheaters shouldnt stop medicine from getting to patients. IF you wanna use wikipedia for your source (heh) here you go :


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>>>>>However, special ops personnel involved in the preparations for the second rescue attempt believed that incoming President Ronald Reagan was involved in the planning and timing of the second rescue attempt, and that these intentions were either implied or made known to the de facto Iranian government, leading to the hostages' release just minutes after Reagan's inauguration. This was reinforced by the fact that the personnel involved were on alert status, ready to go at a moment's notice, in the days leading up to the inauguration, and that the required equipment was already packed up and waiting to be shipped. Thus, a perceived and possibly communicated threat of invasion could also have influenced the timing of the hostage release.[41].[42]
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apparently, This was to send a message, the Iranians were very uncooperative with Carter and didnt take him seriously, and that the THREAT of invasion solved that CRISIS without one drop of blood, no war!! They just needed someone to scare em. I believe the Iranian govt has gotten wise to this "trick" so 2 dimensional cowboys wont work anymore like Bush, someone in military with a reputation like McCain is percieved to have "teeth" Also McCain is a maverick, and has changed his position on stem cell research and immigration in ways that Republicans hate because he doesnt fit their perfect little mold. i like that
 
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recons said:
The governments unwillingness to change or even think of progressive change when it comes to drug laws, as well as the decrease of personal liberties in the name of terrorism and national security, and the eagerness to associate drugs and terrorism together in the media, leads me to say, many indicators point to no change, or an era of bringing forth more conservative draconian drug policy.
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still with more and more states becoming pro decriminalization once you get to 38 states you have 3/4 of them, amendments can be made to the constitution... sure federal laws trump state laws but when you have enough you can change the federal laws... if they are up to 13 now, i imagine as more and more states the rate will speed up... i wouldn't have a problem paying a simple civil fine for possession, certainly better than being arrested....

I hate it that we can drink all the alcohol we please, die from alcohol poisoning or be so completely fucked up that you cant even stand, you just pass out in your own vomit but we cant smoke weed... There are very few dangers from smoking weed. no risk of overdose, very few car crashes caused by it every year, and a very low addiction potential... more lives are ruined by the laws around weed than weed itself...

yea it would be nice to see it legal, go down to the gas station to pick up some weed for the night but even decriminalization would be great... the government would be better off legalizing it, by decriminalizing they don't have any way to make money... instead they open up a whole new market to the people selling it, i know people who don't do it because it is illegal...

what kind of world do we live in where its easier for a teenager to get just about any drug than a pack of cigarettes? its easier because drug dealers don't card... if it was legalized you kill most of the illicit market... it could be taxed and they would be able to card people...
 
jamaica0535 said:
very few car crashes caused by it every year, and a very low addiction potential... more lives are ruined by the laws around weed than weed itself...
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mOI gotta agree about the weed laws runing more people lives than weed itself, but it's not a benigne drug, but if you can smoke tobacco full of chemicals knowing the risks you should be able to smoke weed too imo, and it sucks that loads of decent honest smasrt hard working people that have nothing to do with thge criminal scene nor gangs or anything being busted for having quantities that could be considered for sale, but for example before I was growing when some of the groweres I know had some awesome shit I always bought in bulk as much as I could, but only for me my girl and my homies, it's easier to buy one or 2 opunces at a time if you have to maske a big travel, and then you're caught with 60grs of weed and are screwed.....ridicoulous.

Anyway about the car crashes it really depends on the user and where and what conditions he is driving, In Sweden I drove in the routes by the fields outside goteborg or in Calgary and it's suburbs and even in Iceland on unpaved roads with no problem smopking hash or weed, o iceland I was on vicodin and had to drive thru the snow in a massive dam , in Sweden and in Canada the roads were very well paved, and it was summer/spring/autumn....and most iportantly people drive well there and respect all the norms.


Here in ARgentina we are in the top 5 of the countries where people drive the worse, totally recklessly and there are more deaths per year related to car crashes than related to murders, and we have a high murder rate.... anyway driving in Buenos AIres is crazy, people go at 80-100mph, the rich kids against the suburban wannabes play illegal races with tuined cars at the main avenues and bribe the cops, there's a macho culture about going as fast and reckless as you can.....I fucking hate it, and driving stoned gives you a fucking headache unless you're driving a weekdat at 4am, last friday a friend of my girl and her boyfriend droppped by and we smoked a blunt of my Northern Lights #5 and then we had to go to a party, the boyfriend was gonna drive cause his girl has crashed 5 times and been crashed 3 times in 6 years, 2 were very serious, she's lucky, anyway she used to drive stkned but decided not to do it anymore.

His boyfriend always drive stoned but smokes low grade weed or mids, and only gets good stuff like once every 3 months when he see his cousin who grows, anyway I had been in his czr before and he drove well and it was rush hpur, well right after smoking we left and when we hoit the main avenue, full of cop cars he drives really fast thru a stoplioght in red and a car had to give a dangerous sharp turn to avoid us, we were lucky we survived and that the po-po didn't do anything, after tha we made him stop about half a mile further and even though I cannot drive here cause I don't have a license I drove safely like at 30mph the rest of the travel, anyway the guy said he was sure the stop light was green and was having a "bombing" of thoughts after smoking dank weed, so marijuana deffinitely impairs, I suck at driving, but since unless I smpke a very potent strain opr kif of nepalese (or any creme) hasgh, ora blunt to my head on 20mins I'm never stoned like before, it's been a decade since I've been toking, and though I quit for almost 2 years I'm back.

Well anyway one of my homies also been smoking for the same time as me and drives everyday toking with no problem, but he's an exemplar driver hen he's sober too, and stoned he just goes slower or cruises blasting our fav tunes.

It's totally idyosincratic, yeah us old potheads who smpoke goodweed daily can drive with no problem, but semi-experienced users and nebies driving on weed....that's nmpot something I wan't....anyway I genberally take the subway here, cheap as fuck, and fast as fuck.

I also walk a lot on the safe parts of ton and take taxi cabs when I'm wasted or in a huirry or with my OCD I just had a shower and dressed with new clan clothes I take a cab....I'm lucky to be in a pedestrian town with good public transports (well excet for the buses and trains, but I don't use those).....anyway not all folks can handle the herb like daily users.

I agree it ain't like alcohol where you're totally impaired, but for example I take enoormous ammounts of benzos, scripted, and drove on benzos with no problems....but if it were decriminalized I wouldn't likethe law passed by this and someone would be able to smoke whilst driving, mask it if you can do it, but it's dangerous to have morons killing innnocent peoples cause they can't handle their shit.
 
it's about goddamn time already:|
this article gave me innitiave to go look up similar campaigns and organisations im my country, join tha fight n all that shit... yay weed:)
 
The organizations (if ypou can call them that, cause they're totally disorganuised) which fight for legalization dowq here are a disgrace, carrying jamaican flags, their people with dreadlocks looking like the stereotyped stoners...on the millionth marijuana march thoughh there was this local politician who's like the local Ron Paul.

He is openly Gay and wears only Kenzo,Ermenegildo Zenga,Dolce,Bosss,etc suits, he was in the intelligence secret services but everyone hATED HIM THERE AND THEN HE BOUIGHT SPACE ON a local CABLE CHANNEL, HIS PROGRAM AND POLITICAL IDEAS WERE VERY FUNNY and THE WAY HE LOOKED (OH HE HAS LIKE 4 LIFTINGS AND A MICHAEL JACKSON NOSE) and talked.

Always speaking the truth, he's a pseudo-libertarian with some neocon ideas, but also with drug legalization ides, he's very anti-chavez and anti-antisemites and many other good attrbutes....welll afdter a couple oif months not only did they cancel his show but also closed the channel.....freedom of speech
? yeah right. He reminds me tothat dutch candidaqten for PM who was gay and smoked weed but wanted tighter controls on muslims and was murdered...anyway Cherazny (this argie guy
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went to elections to be the major of buenos aires, on a plattform where his slogan was ^sex, marijuana, rock and roll and safety^, obviousöly he got 1016 votes out of around more than a million.....but yeah there are fighters everywhere, but the real ones who are willing to change things around will never get more than 1% of the votes , anywhere....sad


Anyway I don'tt remember the name
 
Putingrad said:
Nice article. There's definitely some progress being made, I believe most of us will see the effective decriminilization of the drug in our lifetime.
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Agreed. I've thought this for awhile as well. People used to call me crazy, now not so much.

Even in my city were its still illegal, I haven't heard of someone getting a possesion charge in almost 8 years. The cops and judges just feel that its not worth the time.

Anyways it looks like the US is about to turn to the left (finally)... these massive populist movements such as the Obama campaign that arise when shit hits the fan are always amazing. The last time this happened we were in vietnam with a very unpopular president. Obama has already promised he would never us federal powers to arrest MM patients, and thats a pretty damn good start!
 
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whipitgood3030 said:
Clinton was a pot smoking Fleetwood Mac re-uniter, and he kept up the most draconian drug laws and busted medical patients. Its not gonna take one president to change drug policy, as Bushs cohorts feared backdoor marijuana users can get medical marijuana, althogh i firmly believe that a few cheaters shouldnt stop medicine from getting to patients. IF you wanna use wikipedia for your source (heh) here you go :
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Attitudes were different when Clinton was president. Plus when he first entered office he was considered "untested" and "possibly too liberal" (sound famliar?). Anyways the Republicans gained control of the house and senate and Clinton backed off of decriming marijuana so he didn't look "soft on crime".

But since then I think that Marijuana has become even more accepted. Plus people are realizing we have bigger issues to deal with.

Anyways herb is already decrimed in most major cities and college towns. Its also relatively ignored in many mid sized American cities (like mine described earlier). Though if you are being an asshole to the cops and you have herb on you they will probably charge you here.
 
Tryptamine*Dreamer said:
I don't expect things to get much better for at least 20 years. It may not happen in our lifetimes. It may appear that things are moving slowly in the direction of decriminalization, but how long until the pendulum swings in the other direction? How long until the public is whipped into a frenzy over the next demon drug, just like with crack in the 80's or the hysteria over weed in the 30's? Then it starts all over again. More restrictive laws and harsher punishment.

Don't expect much positive change, or you'll be disappointed.




There are a couple of problems with that idea.

First, nearly half of the population has an IQ<100. You would be discriminating against a large percentage of the population, most of whom would be capable of having a reasonable understanding of the potential dangers of drug use.

Secondly, this would not get rid of the black market. Plenty of folks would sell to the less intelligent for a profit. Anyone with a low IQ could easily get someone else to buy the drug anyway. It would not work.

I really don't like the idea of the government testing and keeping records of its citizens' IQs anyway.

It would be reasonable to refuse to sell to anyone who doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the risks involved, such as children, the mentally retarded, or anyone in a psychotic state. If a legal drug or dangerous item was knowingly sold to someone like that and someone gets hurt or killed, it might already be considered criminally negligent. I'm not sure of the law with regard to that.
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Teenagers use too...
So..
It's going to have to be legal for teenagers to make the black market smaller.
Teens are going to smoke weed regardless -_-
 
:) I sure the hell hope that very soon or at least before I'm 50(37 now) that they legalize strong opiates for treatment resistant depression(which I suffered from since early teens). I am fed up with being on a high dose of methadone 1x daily which barely makes me feel good for about 3/4 hours and lucky for valium it helps with my post traumatic stress and anger.

Even if I could get a real nice hookup, get lucky for once in my life and meet someone nice so I could get the strong nice stuff like fent and morphine, oxy etc for a good price so I could say bye bye to mmt. Then of course I'd have to deal with taking just enough "good stuff" to keep outta wd's so I could somehow put up with a lousy year off all opiates so my tolerance would go down again. then I could really enjoy life again.

One person posted about the ignorant people out there who are phobic of drug users and even users themselves I've noticed too are NOT interested in hanging out with potheads etc if like me for example are only into opiates.

I also notice a sad trend amongst all drug users, where for example a pothead will rip off an opiate only person somehow or just harrass them etc. We all should join in a decent manner to fight the stupid war on drugs, because acting non professional amongst even ourselves doesn't help much for our reputation as it is already. I know myself, I dont harrass or rip off other drug users, if they want to do pot or something I'm not into, so be it, I may politely move away from them if they are bothering me if I'm at a party(ha if only I knew where one was at in my town).

Anyways peace out dudes and pray for the takedown of the harrison narcotics act and the whole drug war altogether.
 
btrswiet7u4ia said:
Teenagers use too...
So..
It's going to have to be legal for teenagers to make the black market smaller.
Teens are going to smoke weed regardless -_-
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If weed is legal, then teens will get it the same way they get booze and cigarettes. They'll steal or buy from an older person.

There is not a huge black market for cigarettes and booze, and we don't have thousands of people dying from violence related to black markets for those items.
 
The Young Geezer said:
actually U.S.A. has a lot more important things to do on internal and foreign policy and it´s economy than discusing about drug laws, and truth is marijuana will stay criminalized, as all other illegal drugs, IMO for a couple of decades...oh and the invcasions are neccesary, you moron....anyway if you want to namedrop a good recent Democrat president, pick...welll, just don´t pick that antisemite Jimmy Carter, Malaise forever......

...if you´re so woried about Marijuana decriminalization think how the fuck you´d be abke to smoke with a taliban like regimen imposssed on you, judged by Sharia´a law instead of Common law.
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I read your entire post, and it is clear that neither of us will change the others mind. I just wanted to respond to and say a few things:


I think the drug issue is a very important issue. When millions go to prison and have their lives fucked up for nothing, it is a very big deal.

The drug issue is not separate from economic and national security issues.

The drug war is damaging to the economy and creates black markets that allow violent thugs and terrorists to profit. The black market could be ended quickly if drugs were legalized and regulated like booze. Hizzbollah would not be able to profit from illegal drugs then. The same goes for al-quadea and the taliban's profit from the heroin trade. If heroin was legal, there would not be much of a market for the heroin produced from Afghan poppies.

I don't think islamic terrorists are that big of a threat to the USA. They may kill a few thousand, but there is no chance of them taking over the world. I just don't view them as a major threat to the western world. They are vastly outnumbered. Only a small fraction of muslims would be willing to put their lives on the line to kill the infidels. I think and feel that war will only create more hatred toward the western world. War in Iran could turn the Iranian populace against us. Many in Iran want change and like the western world, especially the young who make up a large percentage of the population. Going to war could turn them against us.

It seems that you are unconcerned with the possibility of ending up in prison for drugs. You might feel differently if you or someone you know ends up getting their life ruined by the drug war.

Maybe you should be a bit more civil in your disagreements, instead of calling those who disagree with you a moron. Would you mind telling why you think invading Iraq was justified? Saddam was not in league with al-quaida. No WMD's were found. What did we get for the many thousands of lives and hundreds of billions in money used? Was anything solved, or did it only create more hatred?

Obama has been backing away from his promise to get the troops out within a year, and I don't think he will get out too fast if he believes it would be bad for America.

I don't know if the situation in Iraq can be fixed. We can't afford to stay forever. It has been a huge drain on resources. Sooner or later, the Americans will have to leave. If things can't be fixed, it is better to end it quickly.

I can't pick any recent president from either party who I like. I don't know a hell of a lot about Carter, so I can't say how I'd feel about him. Don't just assume that I like previous democratic presidents. I can't stand Bill Clinton.
 
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