^ ABG, no seminars are possible when you laugh at women behind their backs. Same with you, cire.
I just thought their posts are funny. They keep saying "YOU WONT FIND A REAL WOMAN LIKE THIS" and that statement is incorrect. I have a woman. She is lovely, intelligent, charismatic, knows what she wants and what she stands for, etc. Definitely not some finicky girl. She was strong enough with her own brain to actually pursue me as I was pursuing her. That was cool.
Games may work on girls and if you're pursuing a girl, then you may get some success playing games, however by the time most of us become women, we have figured out all the games and are tired of them. Any guy who goes out of his way to make me jealous, ignores me or otherwise treats me with disrespect will get kicked to the curb so fast it will make his head spin.
Interesting. I don't go out of my way to make any girl jealous, don't make them jealous, don't ignore them in the typical sense.. that one is hard to describe without demonstrating in person, and I definitely do not disrespect women. Sometimes some girl says some shit and she needs to get put in her place so I do that, but I usually don't like that girl for her negative human characteristics in the first place. This is because men can't hit girls, so there has to be some sort of quality control placed on women. I do this by calling them out on their shit. Because that doesn't happen nearly enough imo.
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alasdair
i c wut u did thar, luullool
My opinion is the advice ABG gave in the first post was a decent rundown of instinctual cues. People are angry about him saying it because we don't want to allow that, at some level, we're all somewhat programmed, and it's possible to push those buttons. I think the people arguing with him the most are those who don't want to be ruled by their "bodies" so to speak, and push a more mature, mutual relationship that requires communication and exchange.
Women are very responsive. Certain stimuli work better than others. However I never said anything about not exchanging or communicating. You can definitely do that, and the alpha behavioral patterns at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive, and it is folly to think that they are.
Alas, that's only possible if both parties are intelligent or wise enough to have that level of empathy. Many people ARE ruled by their instincts and their bodies, and there are certain things you can do to cause certain reactions. This is what ABG has listed, in a fairly simplified, universal form. Not specific things you do, but general manners in which you act to provoke attention from the opposite, here female, sex.
You get it.
Ultimately, I think people are seeing ABG as the avatar of the recursive sexist alpha male who tells every guy they can only be manly by being "confident" and treating women only as challenges to be conquered. If you look closely at his posts and how he writes them, I think he is not that. I think people are also conflating "confident" with "extroverted". While the two terms are often related, one can be introverted yet comfortable with what one is. I think "being comfortable with who you are" is a better meaning of confidence, that more people can relate to.
I've said many times that I do not conquer women. I think it's stupid to conquer women. I can jerk off in like 5 minutes, waste no time or money, etc. But I want to give girls orgasms. So I have to spend time trying to get them to let me touch them. And money. And patience. And a whole lot of energy. It's way harder than it should be for my purposes.
if you want to get a REAL WOMEN your games wont work , trust me a WOMEN can smell immaturity from a mile away and it doesnt fly very far .. im sure your "game " will work on most silly girls tho.
youll get twisted when you find one that puts YOU in your place
Since when am I immature, lol. And when a girl does put me in my place I will be surprised.
I think it's the title of this thread that many women find offensive, specifically the word 'all'. OP, I know you're using this word and title to emphasize to guys just how simple it is. But consider the implications to a female audience. "Important things I learned about women" would have caused less of a problem.
Being confident (a.k.a. at peace with yourself and the world in general) is the key to attractiveness of all kinds among all people, yes. But beyond that it's hard to generalize. Not the same things make all people feel confident in themselves. Different people look for different things in the people they meet as indicators of self-confidence.
I've always put it this way: know where you shine, go where you shine, show where you shine. If you're in your element in a situation and are able to relax, have fun, and be spontaneous there, your energy will attract others to you who also feel comfortable in that situation, including people who are looking for romance. I know I could never pick up a woman in a bar or club. It's not that I lack confidence. It's that I know myself well enough to know that that scene isn't where I shine, and doesn't give me the opportunity to showcase my best points. A poetry slam at a coffee shop is another story. One of these was instrumental in getting the woman who's now my wife to fall for me.
If you're having trouble finding sex, love, or romance, you could change your behavior. Or you could change where you're looking. Or a little of both.
You get it, too. Although I would say that you should try to get better at meeting women in all places because there are interesting women in all places, usually. Don't want to miss the opportunity of a lifetime just because you don't know how to talk to a girl in some form of establishment like a bar, supermarket, etc.
^ you are awesome
this is how a guy stands out more then others you are who you are and you love your self . that is sexy ! NOT TRYING is sexy
How is not trying sexy. That is the exact type logic that drove me to figure out how to talk to girls in the first place. I tried, first. Trying put me in the friend zone. You have to try, but not try too hard, because if you try too much then you're just a friend and if you don't try hard enough then you're ignoring them. And if you're too nice then you're in the friend zone, so you have to be a bit of a dick, but not too much of a dick or else you'll hurt her feelings.
All girls say they want is a nice guy. Which is crap. I was a nice guy and I didn't get shit. Now I'm still mostly a nice guy but sometimes I tease girls lightheartedly and lean back when I talk to them and now I'm suddenly infinitely more attractive because I did these two different behaviors.
^^Word...
Naw man, I ain't mad at you. I just think you're fucking hi-LARious.
In fact, I think you must spread your gospel. I recommend purchasing ad-space on pornographic websites. Big flashing letters that say something along the lines of "SECRET TECHNIQUE FOR TO BONE ANY WOMAN!!!!1" with a buck-nekkid co-ed beneath, or something equally modest would probably do well.
Lol no.
thanks for the considered response. i'm not angry at the op.
i just think his "
if all guys follow this advice they will woo all women" post to be tired, ill-considered, very general, muddled and out of sync with the tone of the slr forum on bluelight. it's a crass simplification but if the op thinks he's god's gift to women (and men) he should publish his ideas more widely - except he'll find that somebody (somebodies...) have done it already and did it 'better'...
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
alasdair
... I never said you would "woo all women". Some girls won't like you because of things beyond your control. What you can do, though, is increase your chances. And you can do that by doing these behaviors. And they're not even complete personality shifts. I don't want anyone to not be them. That's what makes them, them. So stay as you, but just try a few things a little differently and see if it doesn't help.
I think the reason is so that attractive women will sleep with you (general you) when none of them will if you are just being you. I guess the rationale is that sex by facade is better than no sex at all.
Women wouldn't sleep with me because the way I talked to them, not at all because of who I was. I talked my way into the friend zone over and over again. Now I do not talk my way into the friend zone because I don't talk like a friend. I talk like a person who wants to have sex with the girl.
It's worked out. If you are getting friend zoned you should try not doing what you're doing because you'll only hit the friend zone over and over again.
