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BIG problem [alcohol support]

so I have had a problem with alcohol for a long time now but i have cut back from drinking a lot. I use to drink about a liter a day to now about once or twice a month. I figured that was close enough to sober and i would only drink when I was with friends, but I would always end up getting really smashed. I just finished this huge project and decided it was a good idea to have a couple drinks before the next class (I had a 5hr break between classes) and again I just kept drinking. I was hammered when the next class started and slowly got super tired and eventually fell asleep for about 2hrs. I think I still have a serious drinking problem and am wondering what I can do to coach myself into drinking to actually have a good time and not drinking so much that I get completely wasted.
 
I don't think you can. You're an alcoholic--you have little to no self-control under the influence of alcohol. You have a love affair with it to begin with; start drinking, and then the chemical suppresses the of the brain that give you the ability to project any semblance of restraint. For some people, this mechanism doesn't act as strongly - they either don't like the pharmacological effects of alcohol as much as you do (for one reason or another), or maybe their reasoning abilities don't crumble as quickly under the liquid tide. These people can drink recreationally, enjoy themselves, and not feel pressured to drown their consciousness in booze. But given your history, I would say that you can't.
 
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Just thought I'd share my story with all of the readers of this thread, for 2 reasons. a) Hopefully telling what happened to me will curb others from heading down that same path before it's too late, and, b) It feels really good to get it all out there on to paper, so to speak.

--------- Warning: This is a fairly long post ----------

It all started about 3 months ago. Day after day I was getting bad news about people dying either from car accidents (4 deaths in 2 days, 1 survivor in an unrelated accident with broken ribs), suicides (friend drank floor cleaner), and all around bad shit -- to put it bluntly.

Combine that with working in the food industry, dealing with a girlfriend who abuses cocaine and ecstasy way too much, losing 2 jobs due to dickhead bosses (I got fired for throwing out spoiled food, what?!) and before I knew it I was drinking a 26 or more a day, easily.

I had tried to decrease my intake so many times, but every night.. for 3 months, phone calls about friends getting raped, or friends coming clean about being molested as children. It was non-stop.

When my absolutely wonderful girlfriend (who has since become much better with her use), threatened to leave me after seeing what was going on, that was it. I didn't eat for 3 days, hadn't slept in about a week, and my only fluid intake pretty much was gingerale or straight vodka. I wasn't even playing guitar anymore or tattooing, my two true passions.

One night, and I don't even remember what happened to lead up to this, I started to throw up violently from 7am, straight through 'til 9-10 pm at night at the hospital. The night before is a blur, but I think it was a night I decided to quit drinking, or I ran out of cash for liquor, who knows. Alas, the withdrawals the next day hit at 7am, and they hit unbelievably fucking hard.

Until that night I had a fear of vomiting, well, not so much a fear, but a strong resistance to it. I'd rather be in agony for 3 hours than throw up and feel fine in 10 mins. Well, after that day.. the fear is gone (amazing how being subjected to something over and over will reduce your fear of it). I threw up so hard, and shook so hard, my throat was absolutely raw from all the acids coming up. I couldn't swallow at all for 2 days.

At about 6pm the day of all the throwing up and general withdrawals, I hit a breaking point and called an ambulance explaining my situation. When they arrived, I was so dehydrated from the drinking, I begged the paramedic in the back of the van for some water. He refused, angrily. My mouth was so dry and my throat hurt so bad I pleaded for some water on the way to the hospital. He kept saying no, claiming I'd throw it up anyways. I said I didn't care, I needed water.

When he kept refusing, I finally said ok fuck you, and somehow found the energy to walk out of the ambulance. When I got back home to drink some water, I threw up some more and called my dad. I said that I think my body is finally giving up on me, and I needed him to take me to the hospital asap. He said I should call an ambulance, and I explained what happened. After hearing about it, he quickly drove over and took me to an emergency unit.

I threw up in the waiting room, I threw up while talking to the preliminary nurse, and I kept throwing up even while in the hospital bed. The hallucinations were so bad and I was so dehydrated the doctor rushed to see me first.

I was dangerously dehydrated and malnourished, they hooked me up to a vitals monitor and my blood pressure and pulse were dangerously high. Luckily, the doctor there let me sip on water, along with an IV and gravol to stop the throwing up and replenish my body. For the alcohol withdrawals, which were getting worse by the minute, they gave me 2mg ativan in two, 1 mg doses. The first one did nothing, and I laid there on the table shaking for another 2 hours or so (9pm at this point)

After seeing I was still shaking, though no longer puking, they gave me another 1mg of ativan which finally stopped the shakes, though the hallucinations were still very real.

I was finally released, same-day, at about midnight. When I finally stood up I kept toppling over, either from exhaustion or all the ativan they loaded me up with. They sent me home with 4mg more ativan, and I said I would check into detox the next morning. Next morning came, I went to the detox center, and it was a nightmare. I wasn't allowed my mp3 player, my books, or anything else I brought to keep my mind off of things. And, not only that, I was sharing a room with 20 _serious_ drug abusers. The place was filthy, and the beds were practically right next to eachother. I wasn't allowed my cell phone, visitors, or to leave at any point without leaving the program all together.

So, I left. The nurses created a big scene making me feel like an asshole, but I knew I wouldn't last long there without going crazy. (The meals were horrible, and the only other food was a candy machine..) So, after leaving, I went to another clinic and, after getting chewed out by a doctor who just got scammed for benzos, he gave me 10mg more ativan as I planned to detox with them.

I didn't have a drink for 12 days thanks to the ativan, the first night after the detox center was absolutel hell, even with ativan. The hallucinations were terrifying. I felt bugs, I kept hearing very real voices that I caught myself speaking to, I felt hands grabbing my feet in bed, and I kept having nightmares where I kept throwing up, just like the night before.

All this finally stopped on day 2 with no liquor. I still felt like absolute hell, I couldn't work, and I had zero energy. If I didn't have a big bag of pot, I probably wouldn't have eaten at all. Luckily though, I ate and ate and ate. My body needed it, and the pot probably took it to the next level, so I ate and slept for about 4 days.

Day 5 I was finally starting to stabilize, though I wouldn't feel 100% until I went off the ativan, which I had virtually no withdrawals from at all. I did this on day 6 or 7, I don't remember.

Day 14 I had a couple shots, and that was it. I was off ativan, wasn't smoking pot, and, in a way, I wanted to test myself. So I had 2 shots and stopped. Next day, I only had one shot, and stopped. The next day, no chemicals (aside from nicotine) at all, and felt great. My energy levels were soaring, I was eating right, drinking tons of water.

Now I'm able to drink socially, and don't have cravings to drink more and more. If I set out to have 4 shots, that's all I'll have. It sucked at first I suppose, but I adjusted to this new lifestyle quicker than I expected.

I credit the recovery to ativan, a little marijuana and great support from my girlfriend and family. I know I will never slip back into the 26 a day habit, for I never want to be in that hell ever again. It seriously put a dent in my psyche, in a good way. I suppose those who can't drink socially after an episode like this perhaps never really hit bottom like I did -- in such a profound way. Or not, who knows. One thing's for sure, I have a lot of difficulties swallowing the idea that it's either all or nothing for those who are supposed "alcoholics."

Granted, I realize there are some people who simply can not have one drink and stop. But in my experience, There is light at the end of the tunnel, and there is a way to find that grey area where you can drink socially like a "normal" person. For me, it took hitting bottom to get there.

And you really have no idea how good it feels to no longer be a slave to the drink. To wake up shaking and nauseous every day until you somehow find energy to walk to the liquor store. My left thumb is tingly from nerve damage from the 3 month disaster. I guess in a way it's a serious reminder never to slip down that slippery slope again, no matter what shit is storming around you. I've learned that if I take people's problems on as my own (like I have a really hard time avoiding), it will, as history has proven, destroy me. So I march on a new man, incredible growth has been found through this suffering, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

It's a very ugly drug, so be careful and take care of yourselves!
 
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onyxensentium, I would like to thank you for a thoughtful and well written post. You deserve praise for working your way through a tough time. I wish you the best in your ongoing recovery, though it sounds like you pretty much have the problem kicked.
 
Mari, i could't imagine what you are going through with american standards on health insurance :( in aus we actually get more money from the government if you are declared as an alcoholic. Although it still does put a black mark on your record. I'm so drunk right now i am finding it hard to type/ Mostly the reason i stepped down from moderating.. I don't know how to function not on alcohol. I'm taking baby steps as n3o and claire suggested and have gone 2 days this week sober. FUCK it was hard but got to keep on trying you know, sometimes life just seems easier this way. From the outside looking in how ashamed of myself i am :( and it was all to get away from gbl, sometimes i wish i was better odd on that
 
trancegirle i hope you can get through this, don't be ashamed of yourself.
you'll kick it. don't even give it a chance to beat you.
lots of love and well wishings.<3 claire
 
onyxensentium, I would like to thank you for a thoughtful and well written post. You deserve praise for working your way through a tough time. I wish you the best in your ongoing recovery, though it sounds like you pretty much have the problem kicked.

Thanks a lot, it felt really good to get it all out there. I wouldn't say the problem is completely kicked, I still randomly have urges. But instead of being insatiable desires that can only be fixed by the drink, the cravings are more like an old annoying friend stopping by to visit less and less.

I accept that he's there, but I don't pay much attention to him. I embrace what's going on, let it pass, and go about my life. It's not enjoyable at first, but part of being a mature adult is to not resist that which is happening, but rather instead face it head on, and maintain.

And I think that the fact that I allow myself no more than 2 shots a day also helps. If I crave a drink and I haven't had any (I crave rarely at this point), I'll have one or two, and that's it. I presume it combines the power of freedom (if I want to drink, I can) alongside the self-respect aspect of knowing the limits and taking care of myself.

It probably helped that for the first week I couldn't even look at liquor without feeling ill. :P

Once you hit bottom, the only direction you can go is up, I suppose.
 
"Once you hit bottom, the only direction you can go is up, I suppose."

Or the ground breaks apart and you fall to a new rock bottom. But let's hope no one experiences that.
 
Never again, never again, I always say .. But the feeling is more fleeting than my health in these trying times.

Life is killing me, and I'm trying to speed the transition.

I hate to not be in control.
 
^^ Ahh yes, the "never again".
Silver Feniks, do you see a counsellor or anything? Do you have anyone you can talk to about your situation?? It sounds like you need some help dealing with what you're going through. PM me if you want.

Thanks a lot, it felt really good to get it all out there. I wouldn't say the problem is completely kicked, I still randomly have urges. But instead of being insatiable desires that can only be fixed by the drink, the cravings are more like an old annoying friend stopping by to visit less and less.

I accept that he's there, but I don't pay much attention to him. I embrace what's going on, let it pass, and go about my life. It's not enjoyable at first, but part of being a mature adult is to not resist that which is happening, but rather instead face it head on, and maintain.

And I think that the fact that I allow myself no more than 2 shots a day also helps. If I crave a drink and I haven't had any (I crave rarely at this point), I'll have one or two, and that's it. I presume it combines the power of freedom (if I want to drink, I can) alongside the self-respect aspect of knowing the limits and taking care of myself.

It probably helped that for the first week I couldn't even look at liquor without feeling ill. :P

Once you hit bottom, the only direction you can go is up, I suppose.

onyxensentium, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us <3
Your story of recovery is truly inspiring and I'm so glad you are finding more and more peace within yourself every day.
 
sometimes life just seems easier this way.

I know exactly what you mean hun, it seems so much easier to give in to the cravings and bathe yourself in that numb feeling.
But it's also the coward's way! Avoiding the real issues. It is really tough but we all have to face our demons at some stage or another <3
 
^^ Ahh yes, the "never again".
Silver Feniks, do you see a counsellor or anything? Do you have anyone you can talk to about your situation??

Nah man that's why I come on here to whine :-P

I have serious communication inhibitions, distrust for medicine/people, have burned bridges / just can't handle shit.

I'm really worried about my health now tho, I've dropped weight I didn't have. Living with an alcoholic already has me slamming my head into a wall, I can't spare any more braincells or liver tissue.
 
Yeah fair enough.
But like I said, PM me if you want. Sometimes it helps sort shit out in your own head to rant to someone :)
 
I got distracted, and my anger's dissipated so I wont have that drink. I should be doing my homework sober.
 
I don't think you can. You're an alcoholic--you have little to no self-control under the influence of alcohol. You have a love affair with it to begin with; start drinking, and then the chemical suppresses the of the brain that give you the ability to project any semblance of restraint. For some people, this mechanism doesn't act as strongly - they either don't like the pharmacological effects of alcohol as much as you do (for one reason or another), or maybe their reasoning abilities don't crumble as quickly under the liquid tide. These people can drink recreationally, enjoy themselves, and not feel pressured to drown their consciousness in booze. But given your history, I would say that you can't.

True talk^^ I was once were you are shmo and you've hit the point were it just isn't fun anymore. Booze is probably a major part of your life and thinking about quitting is scary I know, but once you get a hold of it you can laugh back at alcohol. Opiate therapy helped me abstain, 1 it made me sick to drink with my pills and 2 I was able to function unlike while on booze. I got in major trouble, abused people, lost a girl not literally=D. But one thing that I noticed when I cut down was how awful booze made me feel compared to other drugs. The hangover, anxiety, paranoia, self- destructivness, depression, being sick plus I hate me when I'm pissed up. I don't know maybe I've grown up a little. Or just traded addictions. By the way I am in no way advising you to swap to opiates- this was my personal journey.

Good luck
 
This should get moved to The Dark Side, there is an alcoholism thread there that you may find some help in, and a lot of people who can offer support and help.
 
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