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I don't know what's wrong with me, in my own time with either just myself or one or 2 other drinking buddies I drink a shit load - 5 - 6 L of beer with this being sometimes 4 - 6 days a week. When I am with family or at a family function and booze is in front of me or smokes, I don't even barge or don't even crave. Am assuming it's cause I have kept the 2 seperate for so long as family would end up yapping bout drinking etc which gets annoying hence I don't drink at these events. Even if I do have 3 drinks, if I were to be on my own or with a mate I'd crave cigarettes right away, in this instance at these family events I don't.

Weird...
 
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Not weird I only ever drank heavily at home, if I went out socially I would drink very little, I think it may have been shame and wanting to hide and deny my problems.

I know others who have done just the same and suspect its quite common.

You sounds unhappy with the way you currently use alcohol, I don't know enough about you to try and suggest a way forward but discussing it with a health professional would be a start.

Do you want to give up Tabaco as well?
 
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Not weird I only ever drank heavily at home, if I went out socially I would drink very little, I think it may have been shame and wanting to hide and deny my problems.

I know others who have done just the same and suspect its quite common.

You sounds unhappy with the way you currently use alcohol, I don't know enough about you to try and suggest a way forward but discussing it with a health professional would be a start.

Do you want to give up Tabaco as well?

I've seen a psych off an on for the past 3 - 4 years. I've tried AA but I ultimately think that I just don't want to stop yet for whatever known reason...Call it addiction but maybe it's a part of my identity even though I don't want to be labelled an alcoholic however that is who I am.
 
It has been great reading your posts, blank bones. I, too, believe that my individual therapy has been a major factor in getting me to stop drinking and not to go back. Each time I have a thought or craving about alcohol something now automatically kicks in to remind me of what negative function it would serve and the consequences I would have to endure. I hope this does not decrease over time because after nearly two years I have found I cannot fool myself. My best to you.
 
I've seen a psych off an on for the past 3 - 4 years. I've tried AA but I ultimately think that I just don't want to stop yet for whatever known reason...Call it addiction but maybe it's a part of my identity even though I don't want to be labelled an alcoholic however that is who I am.

Maybe you just need to accept that for now then, we are none of us perfect.

You are not an alcoholic, I hate that type of phrasing it's full of blame and suggests that you don't really exists as a person. You may well have issues with you alcohol use but don't define your whole being by that.

I drank heavily for a good few years, I stopped once and ended up starting again as I felt I needed it still, the next time around the circumstances were different and I've not had a drink for some time.

Running yourself down about this is counter-productive, maybe setting a time in the future, say 3 months when you will look at the situation again and in the mean time just try not to let is escalate to badly.

In the cold light of day you are a person that currently drinks too much alcohol, in my view that is not so bad, give yourself a break and come back to it with a fresh pair of eyes.

Some might disagree with my suggestion but I get the feeling that you will do more damage with your low self image and constant feeling of failure than you will by continuing to drink a bit longer.

All the very best and remember we all have our issues and failings they make us who we are<3
 
Gerry978,
Awesome, that made me so happy to read. Congats on reaching that point of self honesty, and quitting!!

And Noonoo,
I don't have a lot to add, but Allein's advice rings true for me, at least. I tried quitting because of some abstract sense that it was the right thing to do, or because my drinking concerned others, but really these attempts were doomed to fail because I was not doing it for myself. That just made me feel like I must be the weakest willed person ever, and hurt my self esteem further, which really just gave me more pain to medicate with alcohol. When I came to the point of really wanting to be free of alcoholism for myself, I realized that lack of will power was really never the problem, I was just trying to quit for the wrong reasons.

One question I would ask is do you feel like you have a strong connection with your psych? I tried maybe 4 people over the course of around 6 years before I found one I could really open up to emotionally, as that is something that has never been easy for me. But finding the right one really made a huge difference. It is just something possible worth considering.
 
I used to a raging alcoholic a few months back. 10+ drinks a night, constant blackouts, craving a drink from the moment I wake up every morning. Now I drink about 6 drinks a night on average. I can skip a day if I really want to without much more than a bit of trouble sleeping. Other than that I am experiencing absolutely no problems from this. Took a lot of work and a lot of slip ups. I'm not recommending this to anyone simply posting my own experiences with cutting back.

I have a much healthier lifestyle now and that has made these changes possible.
 
My sweetheart loves BEER. When we first met he told me he was drinker and asked if I had an issue with this. I assumed he meant the odd beer, maybe a few or a six pack every couple of days. Well I was wrong. Years later and thousands of empty cans recycled, his daily intake ranges between 12 and 20. Every day. I had hoped I could help with this. I assumed that because he wasn't very happy before that now that I was around, I would help him decrease his consumption; again, wrong.
Worried and concerned for his well being I started reading allot on alcoholism and its effects. When I met his Family, (they know he drinks allot) I asked them if something had happened long ago that started this and when did he start drinking so very much. They said nothing happened and that their Father was a heavy drinker, long line of this in that side of the Family and he's been drinking since he was a teen.
I honestly don't know what to do except be here for him. He will not admit to having an issue and laughs at the notion of A.A I may go to a meeting myself just to better understand things yet, I can't tell him if I go. I mentioned wanting to go to a support group and it really upset him. I do not share details of my Love's alcoholism with my Family. I think it would alarm them if they knew the extent to which he drinks. I need support. For the most part he is a jovial drunk. Other times he's like a drunk three year old having temper tantrums and never does he remember hurtful things said or done the night before. Can't quite explain how disheartening this is.
I give him lots of vitamin C each morning, milk thistle and other supplements to help out his body/organs but what the heck am I suppose to do about this? I'm not going to leave the man. How can I help someone who won't admit there's even a problem. What do I do? I don't know.
 
goddamn im having some alcoholic urges , going on 7 weeks without any alcohol and i got the fuck its bad, friday night, lot of family shit and lots of strong feelings, after stopping street/prescription/other , i used to drink a little bit, every now and then, like a pressure relief valve for my brain, sometimes i would drink a bit more than i should have , but nothing unmanageable or crazy, could easily turn that way without a doubt, but it hasnt. usually i would just have a glass of wine or two, 3/4 bottle, ~ my pops is a drunk he almost drank himself to death in feb ~ august he fell off the wagon, shit made me realize damn i can easily turn into him in 10 - 20 years, prolly quicker since i had a serious drug problem, ~ made me realize i was being selfish too, and i guess im getting old cuz i feel a few glasses of wine, beer or bourben then next day, just not worth it, its just that urge was fuckin unrelenting today, should of made a meeting, but anyway ... i feel cooled down after typing this , so heres to a successful night, tomorrows gunna be an awesome day
 
How can I help someone who won't admit there's even a problem. What do I do? I don't know.
im confused is it the amount of beer he drinks , or is yer fellahs life real unmanageable cuz of his drinking ? that has you alarmed , i dont know either, i guess all you can do is have a heart to heart, let him know the amount of beer he consumes is not healthy, whatever he chooses to do, i guess you're all in, thru thick and thin, maybe check out al anon , cool part about meetings, it works for me if i go share, ask for help with what i may be going thru, just share whatevers going on, and in some weird magical way it helps my brain process things better, yo seems like he has his heels dug deep in the ground, and if yer dude is holding shit down and guzzles a ton of beer, i wouldnt be too hard on him,
 
the beer factor

That's the thing. I'm not hard on him at all. There is no yelling, it simply does not work. I know his heels are dug in very deep and have been for many years; years before I came onto the scene. We have had a few heart to hearts regarding this but I find for some reason, each time we have spoken of the alcohols part in his life, afterwards he tends to drink double his daily amount; get's very defensive and well, it's just a bad idea. I learned my lesson; don't talk to him about it, let him talk to me when he's ready. It does come up now and then and when it has, I say little and offer support with a silent look of encouragement; seems to work better than words. Less fall out.
Of course I worry to my core as I see his eyes become a tinge of yellow, monitor his hypertension issues and witness his shift of character almost each evening. But yes, thick and thin it is and will be. That's love man. Oh yeah.

I just want him to be happy. I get choked up inside when I wonder if it's me.

By 'holding shit down' do you mean a job? He hasn't been working for some time.
He's been drinking his savings.
I looked up an al anon locally here and will go. They happen early here so he won't even know I'm gone. I have to get some insight. Share and listen to other peoples stories.

You know it's one thing to witness someone hurt or injured in a moment and another thing entirely to watch someone kill themselves a little bit every day.:|

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Dear Allein,

when you decided to seek out the addiction counselling did you decide that all on your own or did someone or something help you reach that moment you decided to fight for your life? Back then, when you were still there, did you find you became super defensive when loved ones expressed genuine concern and if so, any advice for the partner of a drinker?
I don't know what to do here.
Really uplifting to read your story man; agreed, the carnage simply isn't worth it.
good on you and all the best
 
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That's the thing. I'm not hard on him at all. There is no yelling, it simply does not work. I know his heels are dug in very deep and have been for many years; years before I came onto the scene. We have had a few heart to hearts regarding this but I find for some reason, each time we have spoken of the alcohols part in his life, afterwards he tends to drink double his daily amount; get's very defensive and well, it's just a bad idea. I learned my lesson; don't talk to him about it, let him talk to me when he's ready. It does come up now and then and when it has, I say little and offer support with a silent look of encouragement; seems to work better than words. Less fall out.
Of course I worry to my core as I see his eyes become a tinge of yellow, monitor his hypertension issues and witness his shift of character almost each evening. But yes, thick and thin it is and will be. That's love man. Oh yeah.

I just want him to be happy. I get choked up inside when I wonder if it's me.

By 'holding shit down' do you mean a job? He hasn't been working for some time.
He's been drinking his savings.
I looked up an al anon locally here and will go. They happen early here so he won't even know I'm gone. I have to get some insight. Share and listen to other peoples stories.

You know it's one thing to witness someone hurt or injured in a moment and another thing entirely to watch someone kill themselves a little bit every day.:|

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Dear Allein,

when you decided to seek out the addiction counselling did you decide that all on your own or did someone or something help you reach that moment you decided to fight for your life? Back then, when you were still there, did you find you became super defensive when loved ones expressed genuine concern and if so, any advice for the partner of a drinker?
I don't know what to do here.
Really uplifting to read your story man; agreed, the carnage simply isn't worth it.
good on you and all the best

Man.. this post is making me tear up when I think about what I've put my girlfriend through. I'm so happy to be sober right now.

I suggest you read this: http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_bigbook_chapt8.pdf

It's outdated but the same concepts are relevant.

We fought all the time about my drinking. I don't know what the defining moment was.. but it was a decision I made on my own. It took years for me to finally make the decision. She couldn't have forced me no matter how much we fought about it.
 
Okay. okay. Well I'll be waiting then; and in the meantime I will school myself, continue living a life and just be here for him.
Thank you for sharing. I'll check out that site, thanks man.

Glad you made it

JGJ
 
That's the thing. I'm not hard on him at all. There is no yelling, it simply does not work. I know his heels are dug in very deep and have been for many years; years before I came onto the scene. We have had a few heart to hearts regarding this but I find for some reason, each time we have spoken of the alcohols part in his life, afterwards he tends to drink double his daily amount; get's very defensive and well, it's just a bad idea. I learned my lesson; don't talk to him about it, let him talk to me when he's ready. It does come up now and then and when it has, I say little and offer support with a silent look of encouragement; seems to work better than words. Less fall out.
Of course I worry to my core as I see his eyes become a tinge of yellow, monitor his hypertension issues and witness his shift of character almost each evening. But yes, thick and thin it is and will be. That's love man. Oh yeah.

I just want him to be happy. I get choked up inside when I wonder if it's me.

By 'holding shit down' do you mean a job? He hasn't been working for some time.
He's been drinking his savings.
I looked up an al anon locally here and will go. They happen early here so he won't even know I'm gone. I have to get some insight. Share and listen to other peoples stories.

You know it's one thing to witness someone hurt or injured in a moment and another thing entirely to watch someone kill themselves a little bit every day.:|

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Dear Allein,

when you decided to seek out the addiction counselling did you decide that all on your own or did someone or something help you reach that moment you decided to fight for your life? Back then, when you were still there, did you find you became super defensive when loved ones expressed genuine concern and if so, any advice for the partner of a drinker?
I don't know what to do here.
Really uplifting to read your story man; agreed, the carnage simply isn't worth it.
good on you and all the best

Hey guys - I joined the forums after being a long time lurker, then I had corrective jaw surgery which has taken months and months to get over, so I hope you are all well. :)

I'm so sorry to hear about this June. This sounds like it was me 5 years ago. My girlfriend was constantly talking about the levels I was drinking, and asking me to get help. Of course, we argued about it, I would say I'll think about it, then, with tunnel vision, buy 12 large cans of lager with the intent of getting through them all within 4 hours. (This was on top of the stuff I'd already been drinking while she was at work.) I knew I had a problem, but to admit it out loud seemed like the end game (i.e no more drinking), so feeling guilty the next day, I'd always say "I'll cut down" or "No more drinking for the next few days" (knowing fine well I wouldn't.) I couldn't. At that stage I was so physically dependent on alcohol. Every morning I'd be up at 5am vomiting, and looking for the can of beer I'd hidden the night before to stave off the withdrawals until the shop opened, and I could get my hands on more.

It definitely isn't you June. And, it sounds to me like he knows he has a problem too. Addicts tend to get VERY defensive when you're discussing their favourite pastime. At one point, I would've gone to the ends of the earth to get a drink.

For me, it ended when I was having to buy litre bottles of vodka daily, and sneak them into the house. (My gf at this stage had put her foot down, and said no more drink.) The vodka would make me really, really ill, and shake, vomit etc until I'd got enough inside me to deal with the w/d's from the day before. So, throughout the day, as I was getting 'drunker, and drunker', with 'no booze' in the house, or so my gf thought, she called the doctor, who prescribed me antibiotics. I of course played along with this as a cover story for my drinking, until one day I could barely move, and my gf helping me move out of bed, found a bottle of vodka I'd had stashed under one of my pillows. She didn't shout, she didn't say anything, she just took it downstairs, and left me there.

I was gripped with fear I was going to lose the one thing good in my life, and at that stage I made up my mind that drink had to go. I pledged to her that I would get sober, and I meant it. That was 5 years ago. We got married last December, and life is great. I don't miss drinking at all - the withdrawals I had when I finally quit lasted for 2 weeks, and it was enough to make me swear off it for life.
I withdrew from drink without any medical help whatsoever - no valium, no taper, it was just 'BAM' cold turkey. .

I guess the moral of the story is that he has to have something that is going to make him see what he is doing to himself. The thought of losing my then gf was enough to startle me into action. Please, do not blame yourself - it is HIS problem. He should count himself lucky that you have stuck around.
 
booze

deaf eye, it is BOTH. Both the amount and the results that almost break me. Heart to hearts have been had, seldom though as he gets mighty angry and then drinks even more for about a week calming down and the heart to heart are more like heart to wall.

Between 11 and 4 he functions fairly well and some days are more than others. I don't care if he's a functioning drunk or not; what I care about is him being around for the next 60 plus years without liver or kidney damage or some other ill effect of the booze.. I care about his health. I care about the notion that when it truly comes down to it, beer (this isn't easy to say) comes before me.. Comes before anything else.
I'm no fool; I see/feel him struggling. He is a young man in his mid/late 30's. I'm fighting against a bottle of booze and I don't know if I'm going to win. But I am one hell of a fighter if I have to be.
:(
Thank you for your input man,
take care of yourself.
 
the fight for life

Dear C.mans.Kitty,

Your story got me teared right up. Good golly did it. Just knowing what it took to finally have that 'moment', all the heart breaks it took to finally fight for your life (and her's). Thank you for sharing. I'm happy to read a success story.
I am worried that if I ever put my foot down, he may choose the booze over me. A risk I'm afraid to take. I know he loves me dearly but this booze thing is so interwoven into his life, into his blood, into his memories of childhood due to heavy drinking Father who has since passed(may he rest in peace) and it's almost like my sweetheart idolizes the bottle due to his memories. Like he thinks a lifetime of heavy drinking has been preordained and written in stone. He believes he will not live long. (this crushes me)even writing it seizes me up.
I ought to go to an al anon meeting. The town we live in is small so I am reluctant as I want to protect him but as it is right now, he alternates liquor stores because he doesn't want them to know how much he drinks. Well, they already know and each one of them worries. They see a bright young man poisoning himself so much every day.

Reading your story has given me some more determination. She must have been so afraid of losing you. Well, she didn't and you didn't lose yourself. As a complete stranger, I would like to say this: I am so flippin happy you two made it. It must have torture those two weeks of heavy withdrawal you endured without meds. Torture; but love conquered didn't it? Yes it did.
May I ask, how long did it take between her putting her foot down, and you finally making that life altering decision? Was she afraid too that you would choose the booze over her? Give her a big hug. Please.
Okay, too teary right now.
Hey, thank you so much for your words of encouragement and support. Thank you kindly. You two have much to offer other people struggling with this. Much. :)

all the best, all the best
June
 
Hey June! I'm glad my story has helped. :)

It sounds like your other half's life has mirrored my own. Hmmm where to start. Well, my father was an alcoholic, (I can remember him laid on the couch in between vomiting bouts, while I was scrounging around in the kitchen to make myself something to eat aged 5 or 6 - my mother was out at university during the day.) and, that ultimately killed him. He died in a car crash on December 19th 1987. He was apparently trying to get to the Dublin races (I was born and raised in Ireland), after being in a bar all night with his friends, long story short, his mate nodded off at the wheel - my dad tried to take control of the car, and, it ended up underneath an articulated lorry.

I then grew up with a mother who I felt never loved me. I absolutely loved my father. Before I came out to my mother as being gay, aged 19, I had been drinking lots in the lead up. I guess this was the beginning of my alcoholism. She claimed to be 'ok' with my sexuality, but obviously wasn't - she would call me all the names under the sun when she had a drink. When I had a drink, I was told that I was 'just like my father', and had her new guy put me out of the house a few times.

This of course, sent me into full self destruct mode - I then went on nearly a decade long drink rampage. I went back to my home town in Ireland for a year to live with my Grandma, Ireland = drink. You get the picture. Then, online one day, I met the love of my life. We arranged to meet, and, got on like a house on fire. I turned up to 2 of the meetings absolutely off my face drunk. I'm surprised she didn't give me the elbow then.

We were getting along so well, that, she asked me to move in with her a few months later. At this stage, I was drinking huge amounts of booze - carrying around the baggage from my mother, thinking I was just like my father etc, I was going to drink myself into an early grave. My other half - didn't know. So, when she was at work, I would stagger round to the corner shop, buy in a few bottles of wine/beer, drink them all, and be in bed by the time she came in.

I kept up the pretence for months that my slurring was normal, and, she insisted I went to a doctors. One time she had to go away on a school trip - (she's a secondary school teacher) for an entire weekend, and that was game on for me. I drank 40 cans of lager in 36 hours, and 2 bottles of rose. She then worked out my problem...

We went to AA, I made numerous promises I would stop, I went to Alcohol clinics for advice, and nothing worked. My other half at the end of her tether said a few times that she would have to break up with me if we couldn't beat it. A statement like that would often lead me to 3 weeks of (almost forced sobriety) before I would think I could 'control it' if I just had a few, then, I'd be back to being just as bad as I had been before I stopped. Sometimes drinking even more. The time before I finally stopped, I had left behind the beer - my tolerance levels had reached new heights. I had 'graduated' onto vodka. I started with quarter bottles at first, then half bottles, then full big bottles. I would sneak them into the house by going round to the shop wearing baggy tracksuit bottoms. The first sip of vodka in the morning sometimes had to happen in the street as by that stage, I was having shorter time in between withdrawals. I was soooo sick by the end. The physicality it took sometimes to get myself round to the shop was enormous. The constant vomiting, being unable to eat, throwing up stomach acid etc was also taking its toll.

When I was caught that last time, I knew something had to give. My gf was the only person in my life who was stood by me through thick and thin. I knew that moment when she looked at me, took the bottle from me, and walked downstairs without saying a word, that booze had to go. I knew it was going to be tough, but, I couldn't lose her. At that stage, alcohol had robbed me of so much in my life.

So, I went through the withdrawals - 2 weeks of pure hell. Each day was a fight to stay sober. When the physical withdrawals were out of the way, I then went to counselling for months. Before the I went, my gf said I used to clam up, and not talk about what was bothering me, so, I talked about everything - my fathers death, my mothers rejection of me, the fact that my immediate family had all washed their hands of me. It really helped. I used to phone my mother occasionally to check to see how she was. She used to cut me down at first contact. This would in turn set me off drinking even more. Counselling taught me that I don't need her. I don't need any of my immediate family.

The big test came in the first June when I gave up alcohol. (I gave up in the February). My grandma, who I was so close to died. I had to go back to Ireland for the funeral. My mother didn't attend as she had a huge falling out with her mother years before I ever left home. An Irish funeral is just basically alcohol, and people sitting round telling stories. I also had to go back on my own, as it was during term time, and my gf couldn't accompany me. I totally abstained from drink. I was so proud.

After I'd got the funeral done and dusted, I knew I could cope with anything and not drink. I've been doing that ever since. I don't miss it, and I'm the happiest I've ever been.

So, finally on to answering your questions. I knew I had to quit for real that time that I was found with the bottle of vodka under my pillow. We've talked about it since, but, I really think that that was my 'rock bottom'. She has also said that she was ready to walk away at that point as there was no end in sight. She also could not stand by and watch me kill myself as I was doing. So many of her best efforts failed. Being supportive, dropping me off to AA meetings, coming with me to doctors appointments etc. I all wasn't enough. When the lightbulb finally went off in my head, I knew it was time. I wanted to quit too. And, I think if you ask any clean addict, they will tell you that the person has to want to quit for anything to work.

So, the future is bright for me! I've had liver function tests done, and while my liver was swollen when I did give it up, my liver has now returned back to normal function. So, no lasting damage. (That was the other big thing for me - I thought physically I was in such bad shape, I'd gone past the point of no return so may as well keep drinking to 'finish off the job') Thank goodness the liver is a self healing organ!

I've also asked my gf(/wife/whatever she is now called- we gays have such a hard time with the 'labelling'!!! >_<) was she scared of losing me. She said yes, she was, but, she was prepared to walk away and lose me if it made me see what alcohol was doing. She wanted me to pass on this message to you June- If your other half knows that you are just as afraid of losing him i.e - if you put your foot down and say 'right, no more booze, get to counselling', he knows you won't mean it. If you do give him an ultimatum and he does choose alcohol, then you have to be prepared to walk away until he comes to his senses. If he truly, truly loves you, yes - the decision will be hard, but, he will fight for you.

You also need to stop protecting him. I don't mean sticking up posters with his face on saying 'boozer - beware!', but, it sounds like to me - if he is alternating his off licences, that it is something he is ashamed about. Surely if it is the love of his life - he shouldn't? So far, it is you making all the running. It makes me feel bad to say that my gf was doing the same. For that, I feel deep shame and regret that I put her through that. For an addict though - it is a safe haven. He can continue to get pissed in peace knowing that none of life's serious problems will come knocking at his door.

I really, really sincerely wish you all the best June. If you need anything else, just shout, and I'll only be too happy to help :)

x Sarah x :)
 
thank you

:)Dear Beautiful Ladies in a land far far away,
It has been emotional reading your story shared. It does sound uncannily reflective of what we are now going through, my love and I. I can only say how thankful I am for allowing me a glimpse into this reflection. The love you two share is a powerful blessing indeed and I am so happy, as happy as a stranger could be, that you two found each other and the courage and strength to fight for this great union and for your life. Power house women you are and the World should be so lucky to have you both shining brightly in it.

I'm sorry you had to go through that with your Mum. It is most difficult having a strained relationship with one's Mother. I too have a strained dialogue with mine and after years of being drained, I now keep a safe distance. The Universe has however, over the years, sent me 'cosmic' Mother figures and I rest in this. I have had one bio Dad who left us when I was a babe (who passed from drink) and three step Fathers, the latest still married to my bio Mum but I only lived with them briefly as I was turning into a teenager when they met and suddenly wasn't feeling welcome anymore so I lived on the streets which I didn't like so eventually, had to quit school and find work to support myself so I could rent a little place. I did go back to school once I turned 19 and began bar tending at night which freed up days for studies. It carved our character. tee hee. Made me stronger. Now almost 2 decades later, (and a few really good stories) I continue appreciating each one that made me who I am today, each story that led me to the next and finally, to the Great Love of my life.
Meeting him saved me and I'll do all I can to help save him.

Perhaps you are right about the need to stop protecting him. Perhaps by protecting what I'm really doing is enabling him. What a twist indeed. gee wiz.
He is a wonderful person, the sweetest, kindest man I have ever had the privilege of meeting and loving; and I will not let him go.
It took your wife/sweetheart/Love great courage to take that risk that fateful day with the Vodka and the pillow; to take such a stand and fear losing you must have been one of the most difficult choices she ever had to make but she made it and so did you.
Well, you two are brilliant.
Many blessings to you both. A pleasure and a privilege wise and lovely ladies, all the best and yes, if you don't mind, from time to time, I may update our progress here; I hope that's alright.

May I say this and I hope I'm not overstepping and apologize if I am but I feel oddly compelled. I think your Father would be very proud of you and oh so happy you found your love.

Please give yourselves a couple of big bear cosmic hugs from two folks over yonder through the looking glass.

all the best
June
 
:)Dear Beautiful Ladies in a land far far away,
It has been emotional reading your story shared. It does sound uncannily reflective of what we are now going through, my love and I. I can only say how thankful I am for allowing me a glimpse into this reflection. The love you two share is a powerful blessing indeed and I am so happy, as happy as a stranger could be, that you two found each other and the courage and strength to fight for this great union and for your life. Power house women you are and the World should be so lucky to have you both shining brightly in it.

I'm sorry you had to go through that with your Mum. It is most difficult having a strained relationship with one's Mother. I too have a strained dialogue with mine and after years of being drained, I now keep a safe distance. The Universe has however, over the years, sent me 'cosmic' Mother figures and I rest in this. I have had one bio Dad who left us when I was a babe (who passed from drink) and three step Fathers, the latest still married to my bio Mum but I only lived with them briefly as I was turning into a teenager when they met and suddenly wasn't feeling welcome anymore so I lived on the streets which I didn't like so eventually, had to quit school and find work to support myself so I could rent a little place. I did go back to school once I turned 19 and began bar tending at night which freed up days for studies. It carved our character. tee hee. Made me stronger. Now almost 2 decades later, (and a few really good stories) I continue appreciating each one that made me who I am today, each story that led me to the next and finally, to the Great Love of my life.
Meeting him saved me and I'll do all I can to help save him.

Perhaps you are right about the need to stop protecting him. Perhaps by protecting what I'm really doing is enabling him. What a twist indeed. gee wiz.
He is a wonderful person, the sweetest, kindest man I have ever had the privilege of meeting and loving; and I will not let him go.
It took your wife/sweetheart/Love great courage to take that risk that fateful day with the Vodka and the pillow; to take such a stand and fear losing you must have been one of the most difficult choices she ever had to make but she made it and so did you.
Well, you two are brilliant.
Many blessings to you both. A pleasure and a privilege wise and lovely ladies, all the best and yes, if you don't mind, from time to time, I may update our progress here; I hope that's alright.

May I say this and I hope I'm not overstepping and apologize if I am but I feel oddly compelled. I think your Father would be very proud of you and oh so happy you found your love.

Please give yourselves a couple of big bear cosmic hugs from two folks over yonder through the looking glass.

all the best
June

Wow!!! The earth must care for its 'lost puppies', I too am inundated with mother figures - in particular one woman whom I hold great affection for as if she was my real mother. She was my first ever boss when I was studying for my 'A' levels (not sure what it's called elsewhere - but it's like the pre university entrance qualifications.) in a part time/weekend job I was holding, and, I tell her everything. I even thought in my teenage years I was in love with her - and, well, my mother kept torturing me that she would tell her that I was gay, and then see if she was still so friendly afterwards!! As a result of that, I drank even more, had a suicide attempt because I was so petrified people would find me as disgusting as my own mother did. I finally told this woman what was going on, and it brought us even closer. I am now proud to say I count her as one of my 'best friends for life.' However, when I look back at the way my mother treated me, I realise she really was a 'grade A' bitch!! Totally not worth a minute of my time ever, ever again. (It only took 8 solid months of therapy to be able to say that too!! ;)) You are sooo totally right though - it is character building! :D

I think my other half came to the realisation that she was enabling me to drink too. I would pester and pester nightly, begging for us to drink, and she would nearly always give in. I became a master manipulator saying things like "But I cleaned the house from top to bottom, I deserve a drink" or, "Jeeeeeezzzz had a really rough day, want a glass of wine?". Totally wrong, but, hey, when you're an 'alchy' you'll do ANYTHING to get it.

I also like to think too that my dad is up there with my grandma, and they're both pleased with the fact I've straightened out (pardon the pun!) and am happy. 8)

The way I look at it, rather than dwell on all the shit that has happened in our pasts, the best revenge anyone can have is by living life to the full, and, be happy. Sure, alcohol makes you feel good for a few hours, but, if I had to choose all over again, I would still choose my gf/life every single time. Life is not supposed to be played out at the bottom of a bottle or glass. Crying into a beer bottle all sad and melancholy about things you wish had of happened, or had of done. I quickly realised that if you want anything in this would, you aren't going to get it by crying "I've had a shit life!! My mother doesn't love me, my daddy died when I was young" etc etc. I think it's easy to forget as well that when you're drinking that it is a depressant, and it does make everything seem 10 times worse.

Then, there is the 'alcohol end game' as I think of it now... What is the master plan of an alcoholic? It can only be to drown in self pity until the day your body finally gives it up, and you're admitted into your local liver ward. Lying there playing out your last few days (probably still in self pity), but this time in excruciating pain as you're told your liver is now the size of a pickled onion, and it's transplant or bust. If the liver doesn't go, you can bet your bottom dollar something else will before long.

I could only see all of this once I climbed out of the trap.

I really, really, really hope you manage to save him June. I hope that he starts to help you soon to save himself.

Please do check in daily - it'll probably help keep you sane! From stories I've heard about my behaviour afterwards, my gf would've done anything for a forum like this.

You're in our thoughts and our prayers. Stay strong

xx Sarah <3
 
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