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Alcohol + smoking DMT (or other simple tryptamines)?

Jabberwocky

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What is your experience with combining alcohol + DMT (smoked) or another simple smoked tryptamine (DPT, MET, DET, etc)?

I find the experience to be quite a bit less immersive and beautiful and euphoric as DMT alone. The alcohol really takes something away from the trip...like adding static to a clear vision. I'm thinking about this, because more often than not it seems when a friend wants to try to smoke DMT, they might have been drinking earlier (maybe that helped them become confident enough to try it or something). I'm kind of torn between giving it to them (pouncing on the moment, maybe its 'meant to be' for them NOW) and saying we should wait until a day when we haven't been drinking.

What are your thoughts about this?
 
Ummm, I don't know I gave up on dosing the world long ago. and when I did find mys elf in teh position to dsoe someone I didnt view it as my responsibilty to assure tehy where in teh perfect set adn setting. Nor was it up to me t judge what tehre experience maybe like depending on what they have atken prior as long as itw ouldnt hurt them

remember you ahve been smoking MASSIVE AMOUNTS (nota ll at once, but you seem to be a chronic D*T smoker) your experience I can almost garentee is different then thsoe who you are introducing it to regaurdles.

Ok Ic ant type no more, Im too tired and lazy.
 
yeah, but these people I blast off for the most part are my close friends...and they've heard me talk about DMT (if they've known me for long enough) with wide open eyes and neverending praises...so they are intrigued and want to see what the deal is...so I ideally want to put them in the best possible situation.

Maybe I'm alone with alcohol messing up DMT...but I don't think so (as we have alluded once in awhile here about the negative fx of the interaction).

I take it you think DMT + alcohol is a worse combination than DMT alone?
 
yes but you must realize by now that DMT gives you what DMT wants to give you.

set and setting go only so far with DMT. Leave it to god on what they experience. if its a big deal then show some inner self control and let it go with blasting them off. either you have full power or you have none. offer it when you think they are ready or allow them to take it when they feel most ready for it regardless if you think they are or not.


honestly we are just a bunch of kids who have smoked them selves retarded with DMT. that does not make us able to judge another in how they need to use it. Give your opinion and let them decide or you flat decide for them.ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A PSYCHEDELIC!!!!!!! just cause you enjoy it doesn't mean another person will have the trip you had or will find the same joy that you did.


this is getting a little to deep for me, this is similar to the reason I quick trying to turn every one on. If they want to try it, then have at it. Im trying to not interfere as much as possible. I had to remember, I tried DMT for the first time my self at one time, I learned to understand it and I had to give other people teh same opportunity I had.
 
i agree with youkai here

but your asking more about the alchohol dmt combo.. so

the only time i ever blasted off drunk i was at this party and i remember it decreased the effect alot... though others in the room who were also drunk smoked it and had their minds blown wide open for 30 strait minutes hahah.

ive had random people come up to me and be like YOOOO your that dmt guy remember that one time and it was my first time smoking dmt and there was a blunt going around and ....

im just like... do you even know how many people you could be right now lol.

but as far as i can remember very few times were people drunk. and it didnt seem to have too great an effect because it was their first time anyways.


if you MUST blast people off do it when their sober. and use a the machine.
 
recently, when I have smoked it with people for their first time, I smoke a joint with DMT in it with them. Its a failsafe way to get the DMT into your brain.

thanks for your input IGVNS, you're right I do want to keep the focus on the combination alcohol+DMT if we can (but don't mind discussing other aspects also about blasting people off if anybody wants to).
 
I have to agree that DMT in some herb is the easiest way to blast off for the first time.

Alcohol does seem to dull the experience a little, but it may make it more laid back for someone that is nervous about trying it. Might as well let them be comfortable with DMT and let them move on from there at their own pace.
 
it may make it more comfortable, thats the part I dont know...maybe since I had gotten used to smoking DMT without alcohol this one time I smoked it when I was drunk and had a BAD experience (I felt like I was being pulled in opposite directions mentally)...it just did not feel...'integrated'

Have others felt this or is it just me? (if it's just me, then I can stop worrying when my friends blast off drunk).

I feel like recently at least my friend blasting off drunk precipitated some negativity...but I can't be sure.
 
Oh, I didn't know you meant straight drunk.

I was thinking maybe 3-4 beers tops before hand.

I can definitely see how being drunk could mess with the experience. Hell, it's hard enough to get that last hit you need to blast off without a foggy mind and decreased motor skills from too much alcohol.
 
nah dood being strait drunk makes smoking things too easy. i could see how a the machine would be a mess tho.
definatly would go with a joint if i were drunk. like a real quick burning amazing changa joint. ..

probably not a good thing to do when drunk.

does alchohol mix bad with maoi's?

i feel like im being torn into oposite directions mentaly without the dmt when im drunk. just part of being drunk i thought. ohh whaayyyy cant thrr romm stop spinnggg guhhhh---quick grab on to the grass so you dont fall off the earth!
er, thats trashed. how many beers/cups/shots/sqft^3 are we talking about here SS?


wen i was drunk and did dmt i was in a chillin ass dark room upstairs at a party that was strait as fuck and everyone was treatin me like i was the fucking boss. not a bad expereince, lowered effect like i said before, but none of that rediculous shit ss was talking about.

so i figured it out, when you mix it with alchohol
SET AND SETTING MATTER.
 
Hmm, I've smoked DMT and DPT when spastic-drunk and found it to go either way. Alchohol usually makes me gloomy, so the drugs would usually give me a huge lift, though it would be rather amnesiac. I have actually had extremely intense experiences when pretty drunk, though nothing rivalling the experiences when completely sober. One or two beers doesn't do a heap, so it doesn't colour a trip for me especially- for long lasting psychedelcis I usually have a few beers before and during the trip (depending on stomach situation), no more then 5-6 over several hours, but enough to relax me somewhat. Ketamine and alchohol is rather horrid; mescaline and alchohol is utterly horrib; LSD and alchohol is nice....so on and so ofrth.

I just find that ethanol is a majorly confusing and emotionally wrenching drug for me when taken at high doses, and I am not particularly keen to add the booze blues to a trip myself. A little tipple doesn't go wrong though...:)
 
Gaian Planes said:
it may make it more comfortable, thats the part I dont know...maybe since I had gotten used to smoking DMT without alcohol this one time I smoked it when I was drunk and had a BAD experience (I felt like I was being pulled in opposite directions mentally)...it just did not feel...'integrated'

Have others felt this or is it just me? (if it's just me, then I can stop worrying when my friends blast off drunk).

I feel like recently at least my friend blasting off drunk precipitated some negativity...but I can't be sure.
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if you want this thread to be about alcohol/DMT combo then leave it at that but you are opening a can a worm every time you start to try to make a judgement call on OTHER PEOPLE.

I personally don't think you should smoke DMT with marijuana and a lot of my older friends agree that THAT dulls he experience.


now to finish my self with this thread. If I want to smoke DMT Im a gonna smoke it regardless of what else I have been doing. So naturally Iv smoked it while semi drunk. Iv never had a beyond words type of experience but I cant remember having a bad one either. I remember that DMT is a psychedelic drug, and trying to put ANY expectations on the experience it will give me is only going to lead to disappointment or even TROUBLE. Iv seen A LOT of people take blasts while tipsy and even drunk as shit. the effects have ranges as widely as if they were all sober.

end all be all, DMT alone is DMT alone, DMT and alcohol is just that, you will/may need account for another variable in the given subjective experience. I personally think you need to cut back on your intake, just something about how you have been trying to analyze these things and how much you have admitted to using lately... your welcome to go down that road but you dont have to, I already have for you.



Namaste, Jacob Krishna
 
what do you want to show people with dmt? whatever it is might not be what dmt wants to show people on dmt-- and it will fail you just as silver failed its lover. there are things so much more powerful than dmt that you are trying to show people with dmt, but that is not the vessle. we are god's temple. your life is what is holy, dmt is an idol with the credit you give it over what your life alone is to the people you share the dmt expereince with. dmt is a way to let yourself fall short of completely loving* these people. it is missing the mark.

*how does one love when you give the spirit of loves credit to something that shall pass off the face of the earth. dmt is timber in the eye my freind. the answer to a question that was not asked. a tongue not a prophesy.
to one it may be this, to another that, to some it may even be what is needed, but we cannot know this; it is not what we can know, and im even going to claim it is at times what is keeping us from knowing. did you not think that the evil (all in) one would appear as what is most high, appear as the target, be the thing that we would most easily mistake? so long as we love something of this earth we submit our will to things that will pass away, something incomplete, and of the jurisdiction of the spirit of death. even dmt is not holy in and of itself. to you it is as gold to the spanish, as the apple to adam, as all a gift against its giver. it is the only thing you will still trade im afraid.

and it was the first thing that i traded too after i received spirit, it was a fissure in my dam. i know and i see. were in the same boat my friend.
 
Gaian Planes said:
it may make it more comfortable, thats the part I dont know...maybe since I had gotten used to smoking DMT without alcohol this one time I smoked it when I was drunk and had a BAD experience (I felt like I was being pulled in opposite directions mentally)...it just did not feel...'integrated'

Have others felt this or is it just me? (if it's just me, then I can stop worrying when my friends blast off drunk).

I feel like recently at least my friend blasting off drunk precipitated some negativity...but I can't be sure.
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Exactly, Alcohol and psychedelics pull your brain in opposite directions. i have learned this through acid (still waiting to try DMT) psychs turn everything on and set you to hyperspeed. Alcohol turns things off to the point where its hard to get out one coherent sentence. Whereas with acid i have what seems like several million coherent profound sentences racing around my mind at thousands of miles per hour.
 
Youkai said:
end all be all, DMT alone is DMT alone, DMT and alcohol is just that, you will/may need account for another variable in the given subjective experience. I personally think you need to cut back on your intake, just something about how you have been trying to analyze these things and how much you have admitted to using lately... your welcome to go down that road but you dont have to, I already have for you.



Namaste, Jacob Krishna
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Oh boy, I won't say anything about appropriating hindu gods name as your own, but do you remember writing this- "but you are opening a can a worm every time you start to try to make a judgement call on OTHER PEOPLE." Think about it.

Presuming your own experience parallels anyone elses is really can-opening.
 
Alcohol *sometimes* dulls the positive push dmt produces. Can't say much of the visual aspect as it seems about the same.

When combined with lsd no amount of alcohol seems to flavor the dmt experience.
 
IGNVS said:
what do you want to show people with dmt? whatever it is might not be what dmt wants to show people on dmt-- and it will fail you just as silver failed its lover. there are things so much more powerful than dmt that you are trying to show people with dmt, but that is not the vessle. we are god's temple. your life is what is holy, dmt is an idol with the credit you give it over what your life alone is to the people you share the dmt expereince with. dmt is a way to let yourself fall short of completely loving* these people. it is missing the mark.

*how does one love when you give the spirit of loves credit to something that shall pass off the face of the earth. dmt is timber in the eye my freind. the answer to a question that was not asked. a tongue not a prophesy.
to one it may be this, to another that, to some it may even be what is needed, but we cannot know this; it is not what we can know, and im even going to claim it is at times what is keeping us from knowing. did you not think that the evil (all in) one would appear as what is most high, appear as the target, be the thing that we would most easily mistake? so long as we love something of this earth we submit our will to things that will pass away, something incomplete, and of the jurisdiction of the spirit of death. even dmt is not holy in and of itself. to you it is as gold to the spanish, as the apple to adam, as all a gift against its giver. it is the only thing you will still trade im afraid.

and it was the first thing that i traded too after i received spirit, it was a fissure in my dam. i know and i see. were in the same boat my friend.
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<3 <3 <3

yes! I find myself realizing that there is no ANSWER in any drug (cocaine, heroin, dmt, mushrooms, ketamine, mescaline, cannabis, mdma, and on and on), only a momentary shift in the mind which might unfold ideas I might not have understood otherwise... Take down the idol and see that it only lets you know your own potential; it "gives" you only an altered state. The rest is there and has been there the whole time.

as far as alcohol and DMT, I've elved out while tipsy a few times. I can remember that it made me nauseous, and that the deems completely overpowered the alcohol during the meat of the experience. During the tail end, the trip was a bit sloppier. All in all, it didn't alter the trip significantly enough for me to not do it again.
 
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alcohol and dmt are actually a very good combination of drugs. in fact, whoever invented these two deserves a nobel prize, just like the china man who built this telescope pipe of mine.

edit: entering hyperspace on large amounts of booze is pretty much impossible. on the plus though, you can just blast through grams of dmt and feel fanatastic.

edit2: when i come home really fucking drunk, barely able to keep myself from throwing up, dmt has proven to be the cure to my booze sickness. nausea just disappears in an instant.
 
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