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Alcohol compared to heroin .. Not much different??

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NoiseZxs

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I think I must have some weird genetic endorphins release gene my father was a smacko n I get the same rush off alchohol as I do off heroin just a slight bit less intense n been happening since I was 13 is this really weird maybe I should be a lab rat??? I just realized cause no one else I talk to or know of has the same experience ....
 
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Hey, count me in for this heroin lab testing. I'd do it for free for the rest of my life, out of the goodness of my heart, for the good of the people of course.
 
Yeah count me in for the testing too. Im an excellent specimen and like opi8 think its for the good of the people :D

Yeah that does sound different NoiseZxs but maybe you just really enjoy alcohol or you might have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism or addiction? I certainly do in my family, both myself and my dad both became benzo and opiate addicts while all the other addicts in my family are mostly alcoholics. If alcohol felt anything like smack to me id definitely be an alcoholic for sure. Be careful man, alcoholism is not nice.
 
opi8 said:
Hey, count me in for this heroin lab testing. I'd do it for free for the rest of my life, out of the goodness of my heart, for the good of the people of course.
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And all you need is a cunning rat disguise.
 
I have heard this theory before, and there have been case studies on it, that suggest alcohol interacts with opioid receptors or releases endorphins. I wouldn't say you're weird, the theory that endorphins are behind the pleasurable effects of alcohol has led to the use of medications such as the opioid antagonist naltrexone being used as a treatment for alcoholism.

I'm not sure what is your question is though NoiseZxs? Please clarify exactly what information you're after, otherwise I may close this thread, as I'm unsure what kind of discussion this will generate.
 
My question is does anyone else get the same effect from alchohol like heroin? Man always closing my threads christo ::)
 
^ Alcohol's effects are nothing like opioids for me.

Footscrazy raised an interesting point, one that I thought of as soon as I saw this thread and that is that some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism and there is research suggesting that endorphins (your brain's natural opioids) are related to this. Here is a study from 1996:


Enhanced Sensitivity of Pituitary βEndorphin to Ethanol in Subjects at High Risk of Alcoholism

Here is an article about a 2007 study, that noted more evidence showing that genetics may sometimes play a role in alcoholism. They also note that there are likely to be numerous factors behind the development of alcoholism in a person, involving 'social, family, environmental, and genetic factors' which interact in a complex way to make a person more susceptible to addiction to ethanol.


A genetic influence on alcohol addiction found - lack of endorphin

There are many other studies and articles out there on this subject. So at the very least, your experience of alcohol and heroin being similar in effects may have a foundation in neurochemistry that only is present in a portion of the population.
 
the two drugs i crave more than anything are grog and opiates, i would not say the effects are similar but i am a very placid drunk

all i know is that i would rather live with a heroin addict who constantly had heroin than an alcoholic who always was drunk

this post in kinda off topic, sorry
 
I find them nothing alike and despite having a deep and abiding love for opiates, I'm very ambivalent towards booze. I enjoy it here and there, but as a 'general use' type drug it just doesn't do it for me, despite trying to develop a taste for it as an opiate replacement. It's just boring and messy and uncomfortable compared to the overriding warmth and happiness opiates provide.
 
Funny reading about people saying they would be happy to just be high on heroin for free for the rest of their lives...

Am i only only one who values being able to feel human emotion and have good sex? I mean being an opiate addict means no sex basically and any sex you do have is nothing compared to not being on opiates.

Coming out of a methadone addiction, surely im not the only person that is not disgusted by daily opiate use and craves deep meaningful relationships with people and good sex? I mean opiates are great, but having sex with someone you truly love, and being able to FULLY feel that love gets me happier than any shot of heroin ever did.
 
Sex for me never really changed on daily opioids, like 100s of mg oxycontin now on hyfomorphone. The main barriers for sex was/is my arm injury pain and my wifey having 2 kids. I definitely am not a trainspotting opioid lover who forgets what sex is ;)
 
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Funny reading about people saying they would be happy to just be high on heroin for free for the rest of their lives...

Am i only only one who values being able to feel human emotion and have good sex? I mean being an opiate addict means no sex basically and any sex you do have is nothing compared to not being on opiates.

Coming out of a methadone addiction, surely im not the only person that is not disgusted by daily opiate use and craves deep meaningful relationships with people and good sex? I mean opiates are great, but having sex with someone you truly love, and being able to FULLY feel that love gets me happier than any shot of heroin ever did.
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I'm on methadone, and sex is normal for me. I'm not on a dose high enough to turn me into a zombie like many others I see, in fact I'm usually uncomfortable in minor withdrawal for most of the day, partly because I've been reducing as often as possible. Anyway, I guess I'm saying everyone is different.

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I read that you don't feel human emotion on opiates. Well my friend, opiates affect us both very differently. I live my life on opiates like a real positive person, without the I'm a depressed wreck. It was like this before opiates too, to a lesser degree. But I am not numb to all feelings when I've had a shot of smack, in fact, that's when I'm most likely to spend time with loved ones, be interested in conversation with friends, and actually enjoy life. Now that I'm on methadone maintenance, most of the time I'm depressed, I never go out with the family, not from lack of want, but because everything is an effort and honestly, life is too depressing to be fucked. I feel like shit all the time, I try, but constantly fail with my intentions to spend more time with my family. Then when I occasionally get shouted a shot of smack, I'm the best family man there is. I'm happy for a day. Life seems worth living again. Plus, if the missus is keen, we'll have a great fuck at the end of it.

Yeah, it's definitely the benzos talking, but opiates affect us all differently, and maybe some of us just don't have enough natural "happy cells", endorphins, whatever they are, to enjoy life without some kind of drug. Speed, then opiates give me that.

Another edit: Talk about a shit drug for sex, speed. Ok, enough editing and opinions from me.
 
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It amazes me how few people say its strikingly similar. How two completely different structures can have similar effects. I thought they worked in a different mechanism. Maybe your one out of a trillion who has this effect, I dont get any rush off alcohol whatsoever and the people I know who drink dont either (and I have ALOT of friends that drink). As for the opiate + sex theory, like others have mentioned it can totally kill your sex drive. When I came off heavy usage after a long time my sex drive sky rocketed. Whats the point of living if you cant have sex :P especially with the person you admire. Like others have mentioned it can be just as good as a shot of H.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Alcohol's effects are nothing like opioids for me.

Footscrazy raised an interesting point, one that I thought of as soon as I saw this thread and that is that some people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism and there is research suggesting that endorphins (your brain's natural opioids) are related to this. Here is a study from 1996:


Enhanced Sensitivity of Pituitary βEndorphin to Ethanol in Subjects at High Risk of Alcoholism

Here is an article about a 2007 study, that noted more evidence showing that genetics may sometimes play a role in alcoholism. They also note that there are likely to be numerous factors behind the development of alcoholism in a person, involving 'social, family, environmental, and genetic factors' which interact in a complex way to make a person more susceptible to addiction to ethanol.


A genetic influence on alcohol addiction found - lack of endorphin

There are many other studies and articles out there on this subject. So at the very least, your experience of alcohol and heroin being similar in effects may have a foundation in neurochemistry that only is present in a portion of the population.
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Wicked dude thanks!!
 
For me the 2 drugs are not very similar in effect, but the relief they provide is very similar.

Before the smack, done, morph, bupe, I was a total weed pot head, thought boozers were scum. Now that I want to be clean of opiates the only thing that gets me by is vodka or scotch. The calming relief and absolute power that alcohol is second to none except opiates, barbs, or benzos, - you just gotta know how to consume it right ( none of this mixing bourbon with cola shite)

Anyways on holiday in Poland right now ! Miss u all BLerz!
 
I'm no pharmacology expert like others like Mr B and I may make some technical mistakes (forgive me). I think barbs, benzos and booze all work on the same receptors, GABA receptors. Opiates work on my favourite receptors the mu, kappa and delta opiate receptors (mu being the most euphoric). I have always loved for both of these, GABA when I first found alcohol at a young age, and the opiate receptors when I found opiates.

They are both CNS depressants, maybe that's why they're similar to you? It could also be why Mr B stated with that link which I haven't had the time to read.
 
^yeah the really good opiates are the mu ones, the kappa, sigma and delta ones seem to have different functions. I believe ketamine works as an anethesic through kappa activation and nmda antagonism, methadone and other some other opiates also have some nmda antagonist activation. I'm no expert either but I have a growing interest in pharmacology, when I go down to get my suboxone dose my pharmacist and i have a 20 min discussion about it. He's the man.
Back to the point I find alcohol and opiates worlds apart, in fact becoming an opiate addict ruined booze for me, it actually just makes me miserable now when I drink anymore than one or two drinks. I used to drink a lot and not because I really liked it more that I was bored or it was something to do. The friends I made in late highschool who are all still my closest friends are big drinkers and always have been, 3 years in Dunedin at uni turn so many people into borderline alco's. My parents are pretty much tee totaller's, my dad enjoys a drink but hardly gets drunk so I don't have booze in my genes, I don't have opiate addict there either but god dammit if I could choose one drug it would big daddy H.

It's interesting that they have used opiates to try and help alcoholics in the past, I believe there are a couple of delta agonist drugs they are currently developing for alcoholism and depression so maybe there there is more of a link than we thought. God I'd laugh if they found the best drug to aid with alcoholism was an opiate, not for the alcoholic but for the international laws banning opiate use and condoning alcohol. I fucking hate alcohol in all honesty, para-phrasing bill hicks here but if you ever have to deal with someone being an arsehole, being violent or arrogant and obnoxious are they drunk or on other drugs? Almost all the unpleasant encounters I've had with friends, strangers, at parties, bars etc has been because the person is drunk and acting like a fuck face, occasionally other drugs like amps and coke may also be to blame but I find alcohol is the number one drug for turning good people into total wankers. I'm not saying people aren't dicks on other drugs or just dicks anyway but most people I've met fucked off their face on smack are too sloppy and dreamy and itchy to bother anyone else. Benzo's can be trouble.. benzo's and alcohol is a bad bad combination. I've been the total wanker on that mix before, total blackout, apparently I smashed a girls phone and swung my skateboard around in a restaurant while yelling that my dish was too spicy. Then I woke up in bed covered in bruises with dicks drawn on my face in texta (im 26 years old, god who does that anymore!) and a very very angry girlfriend lying next to me.

Anyway for me alcohol and opiates couldn't be more different for me, one I love (and hate) the other I think i could happily go without for the rest of my life.
 
od I'd laugh if they found the best drug to aid with alcoholism was an opiate, not for the alcoholic but for the international laws banning opiate use and condoning alcohol.
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That's exactly what they prescribed morphine for back in the day, treatment of alcoholism.
 
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