Alcohol and codeine

[Tooly]

What do you think is the right amount of alcohol I.e how beers are the right amount to drink while on codeine?

How much is safe to drink and also what is the ideal amount to synergize with codeine without the alcohol overpowering the codeine buzz?

 

[Rehabicable]

Whenever mixing downers there is always a high amount of risk so i cannot condone this mixture.
HOWEVER, tonight i drank about 180mg of codeine and had 3-4 gin n tonics and had wonderful effects.
The safe amount varies from person to person based on firstly your opiate tolerance and secondly your alcohol tolerance.
I would suggest do more opiates and have just one or two drinks the alcohol can really overpower the code if you let it.

 

[debaser]

Hi, really, do yourself a big favor and do not mix alcohol with codeine. There is no right or safe amount of alcohol, even beers, to drink while on codeine. It can kill you. I know I wouldn't even drink ONE beer with codeine, sure you'll say you're different, maybe you'll go through it without harming yourself, but this mixture DID kill people, that's why I'm so strict when it comes to mixing heavy downers like that. A unit of beer is exactly the same as a unit of vodka. Sure the amount of liquid differs, but the amount of alcohol is exactly the same. Be careful and stay safe.

 

[Mugz]

Hi, really, do yourself a big favor and do not mix alcohol with codeine. There is no right or safe amount of alcohol, even beers, to drink while on codeine. It can kill you. I know I wouldn't even drink ONE beer with codeine, sure you'll say you're different, maybe you'll go through it without harming yourself, but this mixture DID kill people, that's why I'm so strict when it comes to mixing heavy downers like that. A unit of beer is exactly the same as a unit of vodka. Sure the amount of liquid differs, but the amount of alcohol is exactly the same. Be careful and stay safe.

I like this post, not because of the bits about one drink and codeine could kill you, it could in extremely rare circumstances. My opinion on the matter of the combination though is that alcohol will not enhance any codeine high at all, will just make it worse. Don't bother with it, for both harm reduction purposes and also for enjoyment purposes.

 

[gearfiend]

same as above, especially if its cough syrup, which already has a sedative antihistamine... or if they are pills and have acetaminophen, you will beat the shit out of your liver. all around not a good idea and as stated before there is little benefit. weed and opiates on the other hand... mmmm

 

[Mugz]

If you do a Cold Water Extraction on acetaminophen pills though then there is no risk of fucking up your live from the pills and you get pure codeine, that's not the point though. The thread is about mixing alcohol and codeine. Just wanted to make you away gearfiend that you can extract the APAP from codeine/APAP pills very very very easily with some water and a cloth.

 

[cook]

A unit of beer is exactly the same as a unit of vodka. Sure the amount of liquid differs, but the amount of alcohol is exactly the same.

Surely, but with soft alcohols the user can control the intake much more and therefore it is safer.

I think a beer or two is great with any opiate, especially at comedown. This ofc is nor harm reduction. But when you know your reaction to opiates and alcohol separately, I don't see it especially dangerous. But as I said, you have to be comfortable with both substances before mixing them, this is the general rule of thumb.

Methadone is the only opioid I can think of I would never mix with anything. Recreationally it sucks anyway so not an issue.

 

[Mugz]

I think you are confusing a pint of beer with a shot of vodka, they are not the same units. Units are measured by the strength of the alcohol and the amount of said alcohol needed to make up one unit.

 

[Tooly]

I know it's not recommended but sometimes I like to have a beer maybe 2 max both because of the fact it's dangerous and also the fact that you can easily overpower the codeine buzz a ruin a better high.

Also I'm new to this site and know its mainly for harm reduction advice but where should I go if I want to talk about drug use from a purely recreational side and not just harm reduction?

 

[teological]

I have only tried this combo a couple of times and it sucks. Alcohol really ruine the opiate high, in fact it pretty much ruins all highs, for me any way. I hate it and can not understand how people actually enjoy it...

 

[T. Calderone]

Mixing the two may not kill you but I've had bad experiences doing this. Like the time mother gave me tylenol 3
and an hour later drank some cherry cordial. She noticed I was getting flushed. I got violently sick from it.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Everyone's tolerance to alcohol and to opioids is different, so it's impossible to tell you what a safe amount or not unpleasant amount would be for you. We have no idea what your personal tolerance to each drug is, how much codeine you're talking about, about your unique brain/body/metabolism, etc.

If you are taking codeine with APAP (acetaminophen/paracetemol/Tylenol) - which most codeine comes mixed with - then that adds another risk in that alcohol and APAP are contraindicated: it can be bad for your liver to take them together. So if your codeine comes with APAP and you want to drink on it you should be performing a cold water extraction to remove the APAP.

If you are going to mix codeine and alcohol anyway use less codeine and less alcohol than usual and start with a very small amount of alcohol, drinking very slowly to gauge how it affects you.

Also I'm new to this site and know its mainly for harm reduction advice but where should I go if I want to talk about drug use from a purely recreational side and not just harm reduction?

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[gearfiend]

If you do a Cold Water Extraction on acetaminophen pills though then there is no risk of fucking up your live from the pills and you get pure codeine, that's not the point though. The thread is about mixing alcohol and codeine. Just wanted to make you away gearfiend that you can extract the APAP from codeine/APAP pills very very very easily with some water and a cloth.

i am fully aware of this fact having performed a good many CWEs myself on oxy pills and hydro pills with potentially fatal levels of acetaminophen. however, it should be noted that unless the CWE is VERY thorough (proper filtration device and multiple filtrations etc), only the majority of acetaminophen is removed, not all of it. i did it with 2 coffee filters and was fine, but OTC codeine pills require large amounts... ive seen people mention a total of 50GRAMS APAP before extraction. 10% of that would be 1000mg over the maximum DAILY limit, and 3000mg over the single dose limit. ive never heard of codeine pills without APAP, so i assumed something similar to the aforementioned facts.

if the concern is CNS depression, i would recommend taking 3/4 the normal dose OP would take, waiting 15 minutes, have two beers, wait another 15 minutes, and then decide whether or not to redose. remember it takes about an hour for the peak effects of the opiates, and about 15-30 minutes for the alcohol. i wouldnt go past 3 drinks, at least for me thats generally where the benefit ends and the unpleasant effects begin, although i have a pretty low natural tolerance to alcohol.

on a personal note, i wouldn't recommend the combination period, as said before. the nausea effects of both drugs synergize pretty powerfully, and the numbness from the alcohol tends to cancel the opiate high. IMO, the combo offers little to no benefit. id rather enjoy them both separately.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

if the concern is CNS depression, i would recommend taking 3/4 the normal dose OP would take, waiting 15 minutes, have two beers, wait another 15 minutes, and then decide whether or not to redose. remember it takes about an hour for the peak effects of the opiates, and about 15-30 minutes for the alcohol.

I would highly recommend waiting longer than 15 minutes in between. The codeine can take longer to fully feel the effects, as can the alcohol. I would wait at least an hour between each. And I would recommend not starting with 2 beers. People have vastly different tolerances to alcohol. For example, 2 beers gets me drunk without any opioids.