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AL-LAD Combo Led to Seizure, Safe to Use?

If you've had a seizure, its generally common sense to cut out the drugs for awhile.

I can't recommend the usage of any drugs. Has your friend been to the doctor? I would at the very least get medically cleared first.

In the name of harm reduction though, its not a good idea.
 
Indeed, but lets assume this is a health warning rather than assume it's a one-off & advise the op to carry on. Purely in the name of HR it might be wise to ease up on the drugs for awhile, seizures can be very serious & have life changing consequences. Do please take care of your friend.
 
Please note we aren't inexperienced drug users although nitrous was new to them apart from 1-2 small gos before. I am aware of the seizure like effects of too much nitrous but it was about 5 minutes after the last balloon.

This also happened in like July period, they haven't touched it since but have taken everything else except AL-LAD/Nitrous since then including other lysgerimides like LSD in high doses with no issues and in combinations with MDMA etc. Medically cleared also.

All I read links this towards the nitrous and the lung issue being magnified. In the interest of harm reduction this person is going to dose within the next 4 hours or so unless they have some sort of evidence that this is a bad idea.

Please take it from your perspective if your an experienced psychedelic user and this occurred to you, none of this links to AL-LAD and appears to be solely related to nitrous and the combination of a high dose of a psychedelic from what I can see.
 
AcidTrippin said:
In the interest of harm reduction this person is going to dose within the next 4 hours or so unless they have some sort of evidence that this is a bad idea.
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And this is "in the interest of harm reduction" ... how?

What sort of "evidence" would you want to see? If a seizure wasn't convincing enough, what would be?
 
Who diagnosed the seizure? Are you sure it wasn't just a panic attack because he couldn't handle his high?
 
Well guys i have tried several psychedelics ( not all) and the too that gabe me seizure like symptoms, blackouts, anxiety racing thoughts leading to the blackout/seizure, uncontrollable shaking..only lasted 2/3 minutes approx, n that was from mushrooms about twice n once 2ct7.

I still take psychedelics but do tread carefully nowadays, still wanna try al lad might try 150mics see wat this is all about
 
I watch closely for negative reactions & health problems, especially those associated with drugs I am interested in, for purely selfish reasons naturally. I can't be sure that I've seen any reports of siezures on Al-Lad. There was a combo freak-out in EADD after a user took both Al-Lad & 25i-NBOH that resulted in a hospital trip & could've been very nasty. It may have been siezure that brought the emergency services but the 25i-NBOH was a high dose, & general consensus has it that it was the cause. There's also been a few bad-trip experiences, which is unsurprising.
 
Just to report back from this...

Trip was a success!

Gratuitous Grace the person would have needed something in the form of evidence from a paper or similar warning about lysergimides and seizures. Or else another user coming on and mentioning similar experiences. Baring in mind my friend trusts their chemicals and we all research well so are confident in our own opinions, we would not be reckless and dose this without careful consideration over what happened.

I was there for the seizures last time and there was two, however the person was so confused by what happened and tripping that they left hospital and were examined at a later date. Honestly after dealing with it I was in no rush for it to ever happen again. But AL-LAD is well suited for different situations compared to LSD.

Si Ingwe I do the same and this is why we were so curious about this one, from my knowledge I was finding it really hard to pinpoint why AL-LAD would be the reason. Conclusion is that they can use AL-LAD from time to time, but not in high doses.

But just to clear, be careful mixing AL-LAD with other things like nitrous in high doses. Was very bingy behaviour though and may not be normal drug users usage.
 
He's not a driver is he? If you're a driver you have to tell the DVLA that you've been having seizures and they'll take your license off you until you can prove you're fit to drive.
 
A very valid point Is! Reducing harm & risk isn't exclusive to drugs use!

I think because Al-Lad has rather subtle effects, folk have a tendency to push the dose or add a little something to the mix to liven things up. While Al & his sister LSz are new, I really wish people would dose conservatively & avoid combos, but they do.

Incidentally, after suffering a Brain Zaps freak out after using 5-mapb in Jan I feel I am now more prone to siezure & I felt very, very slightly siezurey on 225ug of LSz. I just had one or two moments where I thought, oooh, that's a bit odd, that doesn't feel right, laying in bed. Most of my trips are active ones, & I spent most of that trip wandering round my local park grinning to myself, but laying in bed some hours later, I had a couple teeny little spells that concerned me. I doubt I would rise about 225ug for LSz as a result, at least until I am 1000% certain that my brain chemistry has returned to normal, should I be so lucky.
 
Completely agree with you there, I've seen it happen to a few people. Although I do find at the higher doses it is still relatively smooth. 230-250ug would be a sweet spot for me, after pushing it high a few times I don't see the point and would look elsewhere.

Although quite careful normally with drug combinations, from looking at AL-LAD, it does appear fairly safe on its own. As does nitrous normally even when used with psychedelics. However, I think both those, the high dose and the added alcohol etc just made for a reckless combination. Most likely the alcohol and heavy tripping being done in the summer made it seem less worrying. Lesson was definitely learnt as I haven't really used nitrous much since even from just watching what happened. Stopped me using the AL-LAD a while too. Was just interesting to see if there were similar experiences which there wern't, hopefully there wont be any more, the person has been 100% fine since nothing similar in any way even on high doses of other psychedelics.
 
too much co2 he needs oxygen its too easy to fill the balloon with the toxic gas from your own lungs,
 
Si Ingwe said:
I watch closely for negative reactions & health problems, especially those associated with drugs I am interested in, for purely selfish reasons naturally. I can't be sure that I've seen any reports of siezures on Al-Lad. There was a combo freak-out in EADD after a user took both Al-Lad & 25i-NBOH that resulted in a hospital trip & could've been very nasty. It may have been siezure that brought the emergency services but the 25i-NBOH was a high dose, & general consensus has it that it was the cause. There's also been a few bad-trip experiences, which is unsurprising.
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I think it was 25c-nboh (2.5mg), if we're thinking of the same incident. I did 150ug of al-lad with 1mg of 25c-nboh after about 6h once. The trip went from almost over to much stronger than at the peak in 20-30 min. I could definitely see how this could be dangerous with higher doses.
 
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