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"Aftereffects" of Ketamine?

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Aetherius Rimor

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I first got acquainted with Ketamine last year, did about 5 grams over course of 3 months, usually at 1mg/pound to achieve k-hole.

I first did a .13mg/lb dose to test it and ensure it wasn't analog even though it's from a source I highly trust and who tests it first, and got the barely noticeable expected threshold dose type effects. I recently did about 0.94 mg/lb, however the after effects have me curious now since it doesn't match up with what I remember.

Smell/taste was right, and effects were exactly as I anticipated, first hour I was in a k-hole and it ended just when I expected it to.

However for another 3 more hours, I still had the uncoordinated "robot" type walking, and vision was distorted slightly. My vision would almost seem like I'd see slight "wall breathing" type movements.

These after effects were what caught me off guard, as I don't remember having them last year, but that was a year ago so memory of it might have just faded. What I'd like to know is what do other people experience as far as after effects go?

Only other substances also consumed in previous 24 hours:

800mg Piracetam, 500mg Chelated Magnesium, 500mg Acetyl-L-Carnitine all 12 hours prior, and 2mg Buprenorphine/0.5 Naloxone (1 quarter of a tablet) 4 hours prior to using the Ketamine.

Assuming the aftereffects I experienced are unusual, could they be related to anything I took earlier? I researched if there were any issues with having Suboxone in your system with Ketamine before I indulged in it and I could find nothing that gave any red flags as far as my usage level is concerned, and I haven't seen anything on the others yet either.

Any ideas regarding my experience or descriptions of what the aftereffects of K do to you are appreciated!
 
It could be possible what you had was MXE. It's almost exactly like Ketamine, except it has an small, extra layer of psychedelic-like effects such as wall breathing.
 
I know it was Ketamine. I've done MXE and another analog which I've yet to identify, and it's easy for me to distinguish the effects.

Unless it's the new rumored 2-MEO-Ketamine and even then I doubt that possibility. Trustworthy friends are a blessing for experimentation.

That and MXE's smell/taste is horrid in it's own unique weird way. The other analog I've tried smelled like K and felt more like K compared to MXE but the "k-hole" effects lasted for four hours off 90mg... that guy was an asshole. Almost wish Analog laws covered K for that reason, less people trying to sell analogs as the real thing.
 
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are you asking: why did the comedown from 94 mg of K last longer than the comedown from 14 mg of K?

you claim to have a lot of tripping experience: think about how 1 g of shrooms differs from 5 g ... it takes longer to come down off 5 g doesn't it?

use your critical faculties, yout.
 
twelvesevndi said:
are you asking: why did the comedown from 94 mg of K last longer than the comedown from 14 mg of K?.
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You didn't read my posts very well...

I said I did .94 mg/lb, that means my weight in pounds * .94 = mg I consumed. I consumed 200mg.

Last year, I did the same amount, everything was the same, but I don't remember the after effects after the 1st hour. Trying to determine if other people have after effects similar to mine or find out if anyone notices a possible interaction between consumed substances that might cause me to have the after effects I perceived this time, but can't recall them from last time.

It's curiosity is all, differences between then and now and unexplained "why's" always make me want to dig deeper and find out more.

Just trying to figure out which of the two possible explanations is most likely:

1. This is normal after effects and I just don't recall them from last year or I for whatever reason didn't experience them last year. If other people get it, this is most likely explanation.

2. Possible interaction with something else in my system, but would require someone pointing me in a direction I haven't seen yet.
 
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^i read your post and just assumed you weigh 100 pounds. easy math.

the point remains.
solution is clearly option 1.
you wouldn't remember anyway because you took a tiny amount compared to what you had today.
thats more than a seven-fold increase.

just use your fucking brain, please. the effects change and duration increases when you increase the dosage of any drug. dunno why you think K is different in this regard.
you didn't notice the after effects the first time because you didnt experience them on such a low dose!
 
I'd say such after effects can be pretty normal and they increase as the amount ingested in a sitting/session increases even if the ketamine itself more or less wears off after an hour (for the most part). I believe most after effects are caused by the metabolite norketamine and they tend to be worthless and debilitating rather than interesting.
I think this is also that makes a difference with oral dosing of ketamine since there is then first-pass metabolism and more acute conversion. This would explain the more 'physical' effects of oral dosing: it's essentially like combining ketamine with norketamine, plus of course the other pharmacokinetics that come with the slow attack ROA.

twelvesevndi I could do without the attitude.
 
twelvesevndi said:
yes, solipsis, i understand.
this is no excuse, but it really upsets me when someone does not even attempt to find information for themselves.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/161600-Beginners-Guide-To-Ketamine?postid=2331558#post2331546
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And it really upsets me when someone who is being blatantly disrespectful to me and STILL NOT READING MY POSTS.

I said last year, I did plenty of K, usually in the 250mg per session (1mg/lb, lost weight since then). I am not comparing it to my .14mg/lb experience, that was just a threshold dose test to ensure I didn't jump off the deep end with an analog.

I know perfectly well what the doses are, I am asking about the after effects, not the doses.

Solipsis said:
I'd say such after effects can be pretty normal and they increase as the amount ingested in a sitting/session increases even if the ketamine itself more or less wears off after an hour (for the most part). I believe most after effects are caused by the metabolite norketamine and they tend to be worthless and debilitating rather than interesting.
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Oh there's a thought I hadn't considered. I've lost about 40 pounds since last time I used doses of a similar amount, and my eating habits are far more healthier than they used to be.

I wonder if it's just a changed metabolism creating the after effects. Also a simple explanation. Thanks for confirming that the after effects experienced are normal (my primary concern), and reminding me about the metabolism aspect (curiosity sated with another potential reason).

That answers my question, thanks Solipsis!
 
ive done vast quantities of ketamine over long periods of time, and never once experienced effects that lasted more than 1.5 hours, almost always being quite coherent around the 1 hour mark, with total body and mind baseline by 1:20.

however, there have been times where backloads of drips or otherwise drugs-caught-in-mucous managed to enter my bloodstream well after the initial "dose" was consumed, thus prolonging the effects.

what was your method of administration? Im assuming not oral.
 
Snorted, I've tried orally before when I first tried it last year (back when I still had an aversion to snorting things) and it had nothing but a mild anti-depressant type effect at 150mg.

That's another good point.

The K-hole effects all ended within the first hour, just that lingering uncoordinated movement and slight visual distortion probably similar to what I get at 80 or 100mg. If I didn't try to move or look at something to intently wouldn't even notice anymore.

So very plausible that it was just slow absorption of remaining amount causing length to extend.
 
Aetherius Rimor, I have indeed felt the after effects you described from ketamine. I used it for a few years, several years ago, and I clearly remember on many occasions coming out of a K-hole feeling robotic and midgetized for several hours. I don't know why it happens more sometimes than others, but it must be something physiological such as magnesium levels or something else.

I remember haveing after effects of wobblieness, flattened vision, discoordination, and somewhat slurred speech and spaced-outness lasting for a several hours after an intense k-hole, but usually after the protracted night-long binges. Robotic walking was definitely one of the more prominent side-effects, because it starts during the experience itself, but seems to last way beyond it.

So although some of your supplements may be having an indirect infulence upon the neurochemistry involved in this regard, it is something that seems to happen randomly anyway.

I hope this helps!

twelvesevndi said:
just use your fucking brain, please. the effects change and duration increases when you increase the dosage of any drug.
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You're the one who needs to "use your fucking brain", you asshole! If you go back and read his post properly, he said that he used 1mg/lb of ketamine last year, and never noticed after effetcs. Now, he used .94mg/lb ketamine (almost the same amount!) and experienced after effects, and is trying to compare them to his previous trials at 1mg/lb (again, pretty much the same dose, not significantly less as you are trying to make it out to be). If you are going to cuss someone out, read the post properly first and try to comprehend it!
 
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You're the one who needs to "use your fucking brain", you asshole! If you go back and read his post properly, he said that he used 1mg/lb of ketamine last year, and never noticed after effetcs. Now, he used .94mg/lb ketamine (almost the same amount!) and experienced after effects, and is trying to compare them to his previous trials at 1mg/lb (again, pretty much the same dose, not significantly less as you are trying to make it out to be). If you are going to cuss someone out, read the post properly first and try to comprehend it!
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fair enough, and i definitely did miss what he was saying there.
 
Alright lets not dwell on that :)

Also let's not forget that norketamine has a significantly longer halflife IIRC and the amount builds up in your system. This is the problem with a lot of other drugs as well if you redose too much or generally use it too often. If I do a lot of K in a weekend then it's not abnormal for me to feel the waning effects of the norketamine for a week after. We can argue about after-effects from changes in brain chemistry and balances and also about placebo, but in this time I can feel the difference that is made by still feeling drugged up and having something in my system.
With cannabis it's similar, only it's not about the metabolites but the lingering of the cannabinoids themselves. Tolerance is developed to the enjoyable effects but resistance to the brainfog that is produced is not. Which is not to say we can't get used to it like regular cannabis smokers do. But when the K or cannabis fog lifts it can be somewhat shocking what we have put up with during the after effects, you need the frame of reference that sobriety provides to feel that difference. And it is exactly that which made me stop smoking weed at one point in the past (for quite a while) and only allow infrequent use right now, while paying attention to signs that fogginess is manifesting.

But what is troublesome about that is that it is inherent to the foggy effects that it is harder to actually pay attention to that exactly because you are impeded by the fog. That promotes the danger of overuse with insufficient regard of your chronic state.

About the symptoms of K-fog, I agree with survived abortion: speech impairment or stuttering, bad coordination or in fact a loss of ability to clearly navigate things related to space and time, for example something simple as planning. Feeling the coherence of what day of the week it is and what time, and what lies in the future and past exactly. The same with spatial navigation. Also residual dissociation: feeling cut off from yourself especially your feelings and being wholly in your body. It goes further than bad coordination IMO: I feel more like a floating thinking entity and have little regard for physical vitality and upkeep by eating and sleeping well.
 
assumin its actually k. i think i would know if it wasnt, i guess most experienced k users would
but these things you describe seem pretty much what i experience for at least a few hours after a nice fat dose ,,, esp if ur taking enuf to khole.. i think ur fine,
 
It could be possible what you had was MXE. It's almost exactly like Ketamine, except it has an small, extra layer of psychedelic-like effects such as wall breathing.
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Errrrr, duration, dose? MXE lasts ALOT longer than ketamine, the holes are subjectively different too. Not to mention 1mg/Ib, I think he would surely have known..

Different isomers perhaps from your last lot. I don't really like Ketamax vials, even if I IM them they are not as fun as a nice bit of crystal is sniffed. Different kind of hole and not as pleasant, the afterglow is not as good either.

I would however suggest all the drugs you'd taken before may have played a part.

The more ketamine you take aswell the more head spangled you are after. I always aim for the hole so usually a 0.25-0.3 line, sometimes I get carried away and a gram is gone in less than a couple of hours. When I come back to earth my vision can be a bit fucked up and walking properly is challenging to say the least.
 
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