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African Americans and christianity?

its been my observation, but more african americans in the media seem to represent that they have been brought up Christain. More so the older population. However if you look at some rappers, West(ironic), most recently, seem to lean on it hypocratically. you can't say one thing in your art and act another way.

in all , i think that older African Americans have much more of a tie to Christianity than younger individuals do. this is not different than white people though. i see the same thing in white culture, where religion is being erased.

however it interestets me how religion is used in music by both cultures, with nothing being said by their actions.
 
LiveIllegal said:
I think it's tragically ironic that so many blacks believe so strongly in a white religion that was given to their ancestors by their slave masters. I don't think Islam is any better an alternative either.
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Jesus was a man of color. It's the exact opposite -- white people who have adopted a black religion.
 
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So Jews that have lived in the Middle East for thousands of years are black?
 
yes, I found this explanation on the internet:
Many people are surprised to discover that Christ was a black man, but when one looks at Christ's lineage one discovers that He has numerous Hamatic Ancestors, with Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Bathsheba and Jezabel being the most notable.

Here are the facts:

* In ancient times, including Jesus' time, the Arabian peninsula was considered part of what we now call Africa, not "the Near East" or "the Middle East".
* Christianity is frequently portrayed as "the White Man's religion". The truth is that most of the people in the Bible were people of color (i.e., not "Anglo"): Semitics, blacks, and Mediterranean, e.g., Romans.
* In the United States today the general view on whether someone is "black" is the One-Drop Rule -- if a person has any black ancestors s/he is considered "black", even with a clearly Anglo skin color, e.g., Mariah Carry, Vanessa L. Williams, LaToya Jackson.
* Jesus' male ancestors trace a line from Shem. However, ethnically and racially, they were mixed Semitic and Hamitic from the times spent in captivity in Egypt and Babylon. Rahab and probably Tamar were Canaanites. Although Canaanites spoke a Semitic language, they were descendants of Ham through his son Canaan. Bethsheba, who had been the wife of Uriah the Hittite, probably was a Hamitic (black) Hittite herself.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3958241.stm
http://www.godonthe.net/wasblack.htm
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Internet sources found by Altavista search on 11/17/98
Language: English
Search for: +Hamitic +Bible -WHS -~custance

Beyond the Flood
by Arlen L. Chitwood
The Lamp Broadcast, Inc., Norman, Okla. © 1996
http://www.gracenet.com/lamp/BYF4.html

Bibliophobe's Guide to the Acts of the Apostles, The.
by S.N.Mousir-Harrison. ©:1997
Part Three - Regional witness: A God for all peoples.
http://www.mousir.u-net.com/christ/acts/acts3.htm

Black Presence in the Bible - Discovering the Black and African identity of Biblical Persons and Nations, The.
by Rev. Walter Arthur McCray
Black Light Fellowship, Chicago Illinois © 1990

Black Presence in the Bible and the Table of Nations Genesis 10:1-32, The.
Volume 2, Table of Nations
by Rev. Walter Arthur McCray
Black Light Fellowship, Chicago Illinois © 1990

(Note: McCray's two books are both paperbacks and the covers look virtually identical. The only real difference on the covers is the background colors. At first glance, Volume 2 appears to be a 'rehash' of the first book, i.e., the author simply paraphrased his first book figuring he would sell more books. However, this is not the case. Each volume does cover different material, and anyone interested in this topic should buy both volumes. Most bookstores do not stock them. They can be ordered on-line from amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com)

Canaanite & Phoenician History & Culture
by Lilinah biti-Anat Copyright 1997
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/histcult.html
(Main directory) Levantine and near Eastern Paganism
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/templetoc.html

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by Robert Brow
This article originally appeared in Christianity Today [October 26, 1973], pp. 8-10.
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by Gregory M. Gordon
Afro-American History I/hst 240, Fall 1998
http://www.clc.cc.il.us/home/soc460/HALLCIV3.htm

Index - The Table of Nations
by Bill Cooper
Part Two: the Lineage of Ham
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Brother James Parkinson
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This Land is Mine
Abridged from the booklet of the same name by the Chicago Bible Students
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So he wasn't actually black? He just looked like the Israeli Jews that have lived there for thousands of years?

Would you call Egyptians black?
 
Which one shows proof that Israeli Jews were 100% black, as in BLACK, not light skinned middle easterners.
 
What do you mean by "100% black?" His skin color? There was an article in scientific american a few years back that suggests his skin was quite dark. His ancestry is given too.
 
meaning african american black. Israel Jews are not black and neither are egyptions.
 
You mean the ones that are mixed with 100% whites? It's not just the skin color, it is also the facial features. You don't have to know anything about black or white racial lines but you can tell that Egyptians and Israeli Jews are not black and do not have African features.
 
Egypt is part of Africa, so by defintion, Egyptians are African and have African features. I think you mean sub-Saharan Africa when you say "African." Egypt is in northern Africa. Ethnicaly much different, but both regions and peoples are african.
 
Except I doubt that they would see themselves as black. So Egyptians and Israeli Jews are not black.
 
Not sure on that in general, but I know an Egyptian immigrant who considers himself to be black. He looks very much like an African American who might have some western european or arabic ancestry.
 
What part of Egypt? When did his ancestors come to Egypt? Did they mate with Africans from other parts of Africa?
 
socko said:
* In the United States today the general view on whether someone is "black" is the One-Drop Rule -- if a person has any black ancestors s/he is considered "black", even with a clearly Anglo skin color, e.g., Mariah Carry, Vanessa L. Williams, LaToya Jackson.
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Outside a KKK rally I think you'd be hard pressed to find an American who adheres to the "one drop rule".

I think those people would clasify themselves as multi racial, with the exception of La Toya Jackson who identifies herself as 100% black. (Believe it or not Micheal Jackson IS black.)
 
Haha......thats right.....real africans aint african unless theyre dark skinned and wide nosed.....egyptians aint african, lmao.....prejudice shinin' on thru...


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lacey k said:
Haha......thats right.....real africans aint african unless theyre dark skinned and wide nosed.....egyptians aint african, lmao.....prejudice shinin' on thru...


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I still say Jesus was black, and I"ve given references to back it up. As you point out, some people have trouble accepting the fact that he was a man of color. Christianity has been Africa longer than it's been in America and even Europe.
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I thought Christianity was in present day Middle East than in any other region?

Jesus was a present day Jew, end of story. Jews that have lived there for thousands of years are not white or black, they are light skinned, end of story. Go to Israel yourself and see for yourself and then wonder why Jews and Muslims look the same. Some of them were Jews and some converted to Islam. One of the Jews them called himself a Messiah and he was Jesus Christ. He was not white or black, he was light skinned. You can call him a man of color which he was but he was not black.
lacey k said:
Haha......thats right.....real africans aint african unless theyre dark skinned and wide nosed.....egyptians aint african, lmao.....prejudice shinin' on thru...


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How is that prejudice?
 
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