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Okay. SWIM tried xtc for the second time at a music festival last year. The first time, it was a pleasant low dose experience, and she felt fantastic. The second time something stupid happened.

SWIM was with some people from out of town and they had run out of pills, so they bought from a man at the festival. They got 3 pills, 2 green and one red. The two other people took the green pills and swim took the red. Coming up was normal, but all of a sudden waves of panic and increased heart rate kept washing over swim. Within an hour of dropping, they had left the festival and gone to a club. Swim was having a near constant wave of panic, and was eating ice at the bar to keep her body temp down, despite sitting outside in the cool air and not dancing. Swim kept drinking water and pouring it on herself. Finally swim left the club to go sit with her friend who was having a normal roll. She later said that swims heart was beating so fast the veins in her neck were visibly bulging.

Heres the question. Swim has been very VERY reluctant to try since that last incident. She truly thinks what she got was not xtc but more than likely PMMA, considering that swim was in south florida and it is common there.
Is this a reasonable conclusion? Now the same festival is coming up again and swim’s friends have assured her they have bought from a reputable source, and tried one of every batch. Swim is very unsure if she should try. Swim wants too and thinks she will get caught up in the moment regardless, but swim never wants to feel like she did that night again.
Is it possible those symptoms came from a bad reaction to real xtc rather than an adulterated pill? Does xtc affect the heart rate?

Swim is also a prolific coffee drinker, and has no heart problems associated with all that caffeine, does mdma affect the heart more or less than caffeine?

Should swim take doses a quarter a pill at a time to gauge the experience?, and if so, how long should she wait before taking the next dose.

lastly swims friends have also bought some molly, and have said its less likely to be adulterated with PMA , is this true?

Swim is 23 btw and an adult male 215 lbs, so even though this sounds like a highschool question swim is just not that familiar with xtc.
 
I would, but it begins tomorrow, not much time... i guess whatever swim decides to do she will do it in very small increments, to see how swim reacts, and to spread out the come up, where I understand most of the anxiety is
 
Please do not use 'SWIM' it means nothing - Somebody Who Is Me?

I would not automatically jump to the conclusion of PMA / PMMA as (thankfully) its pretty uncommon. High temperatures are a side effect of PMA but it could also indicate other drugs. Were you having hot / cold flashes, feeling cold but sweating buckets, feeling hot but cold to the touch / was the music great but you felt like you were watching a show, rather than being part of it - stomach aches - unable to sleep - feeling scattered for a few days. I would say you were more likely to have ingested a piperazine/adulterated pill (have you checked on Pillreports [Erowid is down at the moment so I cant link you to the effects of piperazines]).

I can't think of a polite way of saying this but ...Your friends are talking shit! If they even suspected a substance to be cut/mixed with PMA / PMMA then they should simply not buy it (unless they are looking for a PMA / PMMA experience). Caffeine does have an effect on the way that MDMA effects your body - if you consume x dose of MDMA without caffeine and the same amount with caffeine you can really feel the difference.

It is common to have 'some' anxiety on the come up but that normally subsides withing about an hour and is overtaken with the rush that we all love - MDMA will not make you super hot or make your heart race in such a way.

Before you pop any pill - test it - failing a test kit then read Pillreports
 
I was sweating, but not dancing or moving around, sitting outside where the music was soft. I kept focusing on the feeling of my heart, which wasnt in pain, but I had worse palpitations and racing then I have ever experienced. I felt hot to the touch, even after dousing in water. So, I guess Ill never know what it was, but this was not the anxiety of coming up, as it stayed with me the entire trip, 3, 3.5 hours, before tapering off with no good, happy feeling whatsoever, felt detached from the action around me and head would swim in hot waves that would increase and subside in pulses.

My friends had no idea, and were not looking for pma, that was just a shot in the dark on my part from florida news reports.

I will never make the mistake of getting from a stranger again.... the product they are bringing for this show is apparently from a reputable guy, and they have insisted on trying one from each batch (even though I realize superficial resemblance means little)

I plan on taking a quarter pill to start, and see what the effects are, and then take another quarter in 30 mins or so. taking it slow should at least control whatever it is im taking, and I can abort before too much is taken.

I will research all of them on pill reports as we dont have a test kit, but I have the feeling im going to try again, albeit very slowly.
 
I also take Kava Kava supplements to control my anxiety, which is very minor, and mostly revolves around social anxiety at work, which is never that severe.

Its probably another stupid question, but as long as im taking a low low dose of kava kava, will it in any way interact with the roll, other than reducing anxiety?
 
Sadly this is commonplace... most dealers pick up whatever they can get cheap... it takes quite a long time typically to find a reliable source for clean pills/molly... reagent testers are the only reliable method ive found to keep from getting trash... and ingesting unknown and potentiall harmful chemicals...

Check out dancesafe and get the full set of testers or at the very least a bottle of marquis reagent and test everything you plan to consume... theres more trash out there these days than not... be safe :)
 
So just wanted to check back in with you guys, and say thanks for who responded. i rolled on Mali for three days with friends, and it turned out to be very pure. Had a great time. I feel like kind of an idiot for being so anxious...

I am now back at work at 9, after taking my last dose at two and only sleeping a couple hours.... which sucks... Thanks again, and for anyone who was at ULTRA see you next year!
 
Glad to hear that you had a good time, and that you lucked out and got pure product.

For now: start your recovery--get some sleep, exercise, and eat well

For the future: Three days of rolling is way too many days of rolling. Take breaks of a minimum of 30 days between rolls (the longer the better, you'll thank yourself). Order a test kit from dancesafe. Use the test kit from dancesafe. Poke around blue light and pill reports and educate yourself on the drug.
 
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