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Opioids Advice Needed

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nomis27

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Taking norco 7.5 for hernia and learned that it really helps curb depression. My Doc told me he cannot prescribe any longer and is urging me to have surgery. Other than try a new doc which I am going to do, what advice does the forum have on getting access to this or other opoids? :?
 
You have a few options.
1- go to a pain clinic
2- get a suboxen prescription
3- go to a methadone clinic (18+)
4- poppy seed or poppy pod tea thats what i use when im out of heroin it really does help. Good luck.
 
I would just get the surgery, sounds like you'll have to sooner or later. Using opiates to curb depression isn't exactly the healthiest way of handling it, I actually got a laugh reading that. But if you want to you can just go get pills off the street I guess..
 
I skipped over the hernia part i was suggesting methadone even when u have pain pain pills still get addicting. U can still be in a lot of pain even after the surgery especially because opiates bring down your natural pain tolerance. Check out a pain clinic they specialize in dealing with pain.
 
I also initially was loving that opiates helped with my depression. I even asked the psych I used to see why not use vicodin for depression?! That was in my early 20s and I just started opiates, prescribed. Well here is the deal: Yes, they do help greatly with depression for awhile. However, over time those opes are ruining your dopamine receptors and other brain jargon. Point is, they eventually make it basically impossible to be happy, be interested in anything, and your depression sky rockets. That has been my issue for the last few years. I didnt know that stuff happens. One example: I used to eat, drink, breathe college football. I lived for that season. I was up at 9 am on Saturday and watched games til they ended. Well a few years ago I couldnt give 2 shits about it. I am the same way today. I'm like that with everything. It is horrible! I decided it was time to start weening down. I tried cold turkey but couldnt do it. But I am tired of life sucking every day. I hope I can get back to who I was. Even when you quit opes, it takes quite some time for the brain to fix itself.

So that is my heads up warning. You can find all kinds of research about it. Wish I had found it LONG ago.
 
Very true. Opiates helped with my depression in the begging. They made me feel so happy about everything now i just feel numb when im high im literally emotionless i dont give a shit about anything and i always some how feel slightly sad. I just switched to poppy seed tea to get off of heroin (i know poppy seed teas an opiate ) it helps with the withdrawal then im gonna ween myself off the tea when the heroin withdrawal is over. Im starting to get my emotions back and i have no idea how to deal with them because i've felt numb for so long. Don't use opiates for depression
 
IMO, it's going to be incredibly difficult if not impossible to procure opiates to "treat depression" even though they are excellent and highly effective antidepressants. It's not really a good idea, anyway. Sure they're effective, but that's because they're incredibly addictive. Everyone gets a mood lift from taking a certain dose of opiates, so anybody with legitimate clinical depression is much better off with SSRI's which are still addictive in their own way, but much, MUCH less so than opiates. They are a piece of cake to come off of in comparison, and also are very effective if you really do have a serotonin imbalance.

It sounds like that in your situation, medicating "the blues" with strong opiates would basically be like attempting to kill a bacterium with the Tsar Bomba nuclear bomb.
 
JustADudeYep said:
I also initially was loving that opiates helped with my depression. I even asked the psych I used to see why not use vicodin for depression?! That was in my early 20s and I just started opiates, prescribed. Well here is the deal: Yes, they do help greatly with depression for awhile. However, over time those opes are ruining your dopamine receptors and other brain jargon. Point is, they eventually make it basically impossible to be happy, be interested in anything, and your depression sky rockets. That has been my issue for the last few years. I didnt know that stuff happens. One example: I used to eat, drink, breathe college football. I lived for that season. I was up at 9 am on Saturday and watched games til they ended. Well a few years ago I couldnt give 2 shits about it. I am the same way today. I'm like that with everything. It is horrible! I decided it was time to start weening down. I tried cold turkey but couldnt do it. But I am tired of life sucking every day. I hope I can get back to who I was. Even when you quit opes, it takes quite some time for the brain to fix itself.

So that is my heads up warning. You can find all kinds of research about it. Wish I had found it LONG ago.
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Sorry, but I highly doubt this is true. I agree with your advice to avoid taking opiates long-term for depression. However, there's really no such thing as "killing" your receptors. Opiates are well-tolerated long term; some more than others (read: methadone). While repeated dosing of opiates will undoubtedly increase your overall number of receptors which leads to tolerance and withdrawal when discontinued, your body is more than capable of down-regulating your receptors and re-sensitizing to natural endorphon production. If this didn't happen, there would be no tolerance or withdrawal. There are many cases of individuals who have drastically reduced or entirely quit taking massive daily doses of methadone after being dependant for decades.

While it is unarguably no fun to quit to say the least, you eventually WILL start feeling better at least physically in a week or so (except in the case of methadone and other very long half-life narcotics). This is only achievable because your body adjusts to the sudden lack of opiates in the blood by destroying extra receptors and up-regulating your natural painkiller chemicals. The agony of withdrawal that you feel is your body suddenly being forced to massively reorganize your neurons and neurotransmitter chemicals. There IS some evidence that chronic opiate users have an increased level of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (a subtance with many functions and yet unknown properties), but there's no evidence whatsoever that your receptors are capable of permanent damage of any kind - no matter what you do to them. Note that it IS possible to ingest extremely neurotoxic substances that are capable of permanently destroying the brain cells that produce dopamine (substantia nigra). There are some horror stories online of amateur junkies who conconct their own designed opiates at home, but they ended up being contaminated with very toxic intermediates that hadn't been burnt away or converted. In some cases, a single injection of this substance permanently destroyed these brain cells, leaving their victims with "instant Parkinson's disease" and all it's hellish symptoms with no possibility of treatment.

It's scary as hell, and just one more reason why you should never inject ANY unknown substance.
 
You CAN get prescribed opiates for depression, but it doesn't happen often. If the doctor knows anything at all about addiction he would never do it. But, some of them are actually stupid enough to risk their license and do it.
 
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