Hi all.
*** short version :
Basically I feel as though every time since the first two times I have had Mdma, the experience has fallen well short of what I'd hoped.
Is it possible to 'override' the experience with prejudice? Can you get a tolerance after a few very spaced apart rolls?
*** Long version :
Let me explain...
Sorry if this ends up being a longish post but I am hoping to get peoples opinions on some experiences so far.
First time I tried Mdma was an unknown pill taken in halves when I was drunk at a friends party. After taking a half, in ~40 min I noticed that I seemed no longer 'drunk', and quite clear headed, after the next half I was very talkative and happy for about 4 - 5 hours. No real 'peak' in this experience but very cruisy and happy the whole night. No comedown to speak of. A good friend had the same as me and also had a ball.
Next time (late Aug 04 ~5 months later) was the best time by far, taken with same friend and s/o, whitish pill this time, did not test or check the logo (a bit ignorant at the time). In a good mood at the start of the night but nad no super expectations. I was much higher than the last time, and had taken a whole. Much more tactile sensation, dancing with s/o was unbelievable, felt on top of the world and couldnt stop smiling. Very clean comedown and was feeling great all next day (apart from being tired).
Now I should mention that during the end of this roll something (a situation) happened that made me want to 'snap back to reality' and try to regain control of my ego. I basically had to 'think' my way through a few things at the time and seemed to come out ok. How I felt duning this situation came to be what I felt every consequent time I have had it.
Ok, .. still with me? .. now heres where it gets interesting...
1 Month later, same 3 people as previous time, this time with the infamous Red Mitsubishi (before the anti-hype), had as a whole. All 3 of us felt anxious and a bit meh at the start of the night, and no matter what happened during the night, we never got happy anything above mildly content. A lot of jaw clenching, we all felt smashed yet sober at the same time! Comedown was weird, with all the hype the next day and us 3 getting paranoid (due to ignorance). Other friends had the Red M (same batch went all night and had a ball (although they were very drunk to start with).
Now I'll summarize from here:
Everything my s/o and I have had since then, has been similar experience wise for us, in that we get slightly talkative, jaw clenches, a little content, but feel little excitement or love or even tactile sensations compared to the first two times!
I know it is supposed to be "the first time is always the best" but surely not to the point of the consequent times are almost uncomparable?
We got an EZ test kit (marquis and mandelin) straight after the Red M, and have tested ever since, as well as Vit C, Vit E, Magnesium etc..
we have had, following the Red M's.. (mostly a month apart)
+ White DC's (Crumbly) .. very very weak, almost felt nothing at all
+ Red Crowns/rolex's in halves + half a white atom .. the rolex's are -strong- a fair amount of empathy but still not much love and or peak? we went all night on this but still didnt 'break through' thought the atom would help us get there but no go..
(5-htp post loading each time after this)
+ Red russian in halves .. felt strong and very nice but still no real empathy or sensations. Halves were taken ~1 hr apart
(5-htp preloading before this next event)
+ One BIG night : Green Mitsubishi in halves (40 min apart), half a Tulip each (this made us hallucinate a bit!) and a blue viagra (weak and crap!) all over ~8 hrs .. even with this crazy night we still got nowhere near what we'd hoped.. the 3 halves were taken in the first 2 hrs of the night when we realised that we were still getting there, and the viagras did nothing at all, even though they tested up ok.
we were very dissapointed at this as we went to a big electronic event (for us anyway) and it should have been great..
.. stupidly we decided to go out the next night (we had taken 200mg of 5-htp the next day), and had a ...
+ Red russian (whole) .. ok now this was a lot better, although the peak was short (~1.5hrs) and the overall duration only ~3 hrs, I felt as though the night before had really dulled the experience this time. A lot more 'fun' than the last Red russian we had, still only 7/10 compared to the first 2 times though still but a lot better than usual!
(BAD comedown monday after this weekend, never want to go through it again, learnt a valuble lesson, even with Vits and 5-htp)
I dont know whats happening here, maybe we have had weak pills since the first few times? ..
Would our minds be 'overriding' the experience?
Should we focus on setting vs dose?
I know we should relax and just let it happen, but thats what we *have* been doing the last few times and the 'lack' of certain things is really evident.
I am thinking that because we both share the same pills, its probably more to do with pill quality and setting. But I am open to ideas.
=Frozone
*** short version :
Basically I feel as though every time since the first two times I have had Mdma, the experience has fallen well short of what I'd hoped.
Is it possible to 'override' the experience with prejudice? Can you get a tolerance after a few very spaced apart rolls?
*** Long version :
Let me explain...
Sorry if this ends up being a longish post but I am hoping to get peoples opinions on some experiences so far.
First time I tried Mdma was an unknown pill taken in halves when I was drunk at a friends party. After taking a half, in ~40 min I noticed that I seemed no longer 'drunk', and quite clear headed, after the next half I was very talkative and happy for about 4 - 5 hours. No real 'peak' in this experience but very cruisy and happy the whole night. No comedown to speak of. A good friend had the same as me and also had a ball.
Next time (late Aug 04 ~5 months later) was the best time by far, taken with same friend and s/o, whitish pill this time, did not test or check the logo (a bit ignorant at the time). In a good mood at the start of the night but nad no super expectations. I was much higher than the last time, and had taken a whole. Much more tactile sensation, dancing with s/o was unbelievable, felt on top of the world and couldnt stop smiling. Very clean comedown and was feeling great all next day (apart from being tired).
Now I should mention that during the end of this roll something (a situation) happened that made me want to 'snap back to reality' and try to regain control of my ego. I basically had to 'think' my way through a few things at the time and seemed to come out ok. How I felt duning this situation came to be what I felt every consequent time I have had it.
Ok, .. still with me? .. now heres where it gets interesting...
1 Month later, same 3 people as previous time, this time with the infamous Red Mitsubishi (before the anti-hype), had as a whole. All 3 of us felt anxious and a bit meh at the start of the night, and no matter what happened during the night, we never got happy anything above mildly content. A lot of jaw clenching, we all felt smashed yet sober at the same time! Comedown was weird, with all the hype the next day and us 3 getting paranoid (due to ignorance). Other friends had the Red M (same batch went all night and had a ball (although they were very drunk to start with).
Now I'll summarize from here:
Everything my s/o and I have had since then, has been similar experience wise for us, in that we get slightly talkative, jaw clenches, a little content, but feel little excitement or love or even tactile sensations compared to the first two times!
I know it is supposed to be "the first time is always the best" but surely not to the point of the consequent times are almost uncomparable?
We got an EZ test kit (marquis and mandelin) straight after the Red M, and have tested ever since, as well as Vit C, Vit E, Magnesium etc..
we have had, following the Red M's.. (mostly a month apart)
+ White DC's (Crumbly) .. very very weak, almost felt nothing at all
+ Red Crowns/rolex's in halves + half a white atom .. the rolex's are -strong- a fair amount of empathy but still not much love and or peak? we went all night on this but still didnt 'break through' thought the atom would help us get there but no go..
(5-htp post loading each time after this)
+ Red russian in halves .. felt strong and very nice but still no real empathy or sensations. Halves were taken ~1 hr apart
(5-htp preloading before this next event)
+ One BIG night : Green Mitsubishi in halves (40 min apart), half a Tulip each (this made us hallucinate a bit!) and a blue viagra (weak and crap!) all over ~8 hrs .. even with this crazy night we still got nowhere near what we'd hoped.. the 3 halves were taken in the first 2 hrs of the night when we realised that we were still getting there, and the viagras did nothing at all, even though they tested up ok.
we were very dissapointed at this as we went to a big electronic event (for us anyway) and it should have been great..
.. stupidly we decided to go out the next night (we had taken 200mg of 5-htp the next day), and had a ...
+ Red russian (whole) .. ok now this was a lot better, although the peak was short (~1.5hrs) and the overall duration only ~3 hrs, I felt as though the night before had really dulled the experience this time. A lot more 'fun' than the last Red russian we had, still only 7/10 compared to the first 2 times though still but a lot better than usual!
(BAD comedown monday after this weekend, never want to go through it again, learnt a valuble lesson, even with Vits and 5-htp)
I dont know whats happening here, maybe we have had weak pills since the first few times? ..
Would our minds be 'overriding' the experience?
Should we focus on setting vs dose?
I know we should relax and just let it happen, but thats what we *have* been doing the last few times and the 'lack' of certain things is really evident.
I am thinking that because we both share the same pills, its probably more to do with pill quality and setting. But I am open to ideas.
=Frozone