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Advice for bizarre anti-trip

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I've tripped a few times on mushrooms over the past year or so, and once on 2c-e. All were worthwhile experiences and I'm looking forward to many more in the future.

My wife, on the other hand, hasn't had a proper trip yet, but wants to. She ate mushrooms with me on my first two attempts, but she didn't trip. Both times we each ate 2g dry (same batch), and both times I had a full psychedelic trip. For the first try, she hardly felt anything at all: She had no visuals, and the only noticeable effect was that she was giggly sometimes (even this might have been a placebo effect; she really didn't feel affected). The second time she tried (again 2g), she felt nothing for about 2 hours, and then all of a sudden entered a world of mental pain. It wasn't a bad trip, because there was no trip really; she just felt like she was in mental hell. She was continuously confused as to what was going on and felt like she needed to do something but didn't know what. Again, there were no visuals or psychedelic thoughts, just confusion and mental torture (unfortunately she's never been able to describe it better than that). This lasted for about one hour, after which she pretty much snapped out of it and was back to normal/sober. (FYI, we were at home in a comfortable environment, and with good vibes between us, etc.)

So I'd like some advice. The experience above was about a year ago. She wants to try again, but obviously she is scared that the same thing will happen. Should she just forget about it? Maybe psychedelics aren't for her? Or, if she wants to try again, what should we do differently? Should she try mushrooms again, or try a different chemical? I have both 2c-e and 4-AcO-DMT as well as mushrooms. Dose?

Thanks much.
 
Only thing she takes is Metformin, but I don't think that would interact..
 
Bump.

Surely someone here has experience with people who had similar first-time reactions to psychedelics? I had received some good feedback on another forum, but Bluelight seems to have a lot more knowledgeable / intelligent people than most of the other psychedelic forums so I'd appreciate some words from those of you who have experience on the topic...

Thanks.
 
It seems to me this can be precipitated by her need for control combined with anxious expectations. This might be going on quite unconsciously, the more it is the less she would recognize this and the harder it will be to 'break'.
When I say break I mean this can be overcome gently or the hard way. The hard way would be to have a massive breakthrough that makes her realize many things really fast, it can be a very troubling experience and when initiated it would be best not to avoid it, because running away is often felt as a 'bad trip'. This is actually a means of forcing yourself to face what is wrong and what is right, better yet: what you truly mean to be. I couldn't say this is recommended unless one is determined to delve into it and go through the therapy until it is done. It would require among other things a higher dose of a psychedelic and good guidance.

Succeeding in this the gentle way is actually a lot harder. As they say in Dutch "soft healers make stinking wounds" :) Because if you don't do it forcefully you allow yourself to avoid your issues. I have few ideas what hers are but the key is to let it all go. True happiness is to desire nothing. You could go about this by meditation, with or without a similar not-too-high dose of a psychedelic. Don't go and bore yourself but remain quiet within and try to listen. You can listen to yourself and what bubbles up (could be catalyzed by a trip), pave the way for clear thoughts about what the reason is for this mental hell you mention. Trips manifest your mind, you are not a victim of circumstances that way but you have a direct link of cause and effect. If you experience a mental hell, then it's coming from somewhere. Ask yourself what it is and let the therapeutic story unfold. Something could arise that you find very undesirable about yourself and had wished to ignore, but if you surrender yourself to something that exists whether you want to or not you can start the healing on the way to acceptance.

Best wishes my friend! And welcome to PD.
 
^ that sums it up quite nicely. active resistance related to anxiety. is she really sure she wants it? reading trip reports to help her get a feel for what kind of things to expect on a trip might help. perhaps let her choose the substance you will be using based on her reading
 
Just thought I'd add a bit of an update here. After a long wait, we decided (almost spur of the moment) to try tripping together on 2c-i, which I had never tried before. I hoped that, if it was indeed the mental effects of mushrooms that were too much for my wife, then something comparatively more "gentle" (from what I had read) like 2c-i might have a better chance.

I took 23mg for myself and she took 18mg. She had a perfectly normal 2c-i trip (her first trip!). We both had very similar trip experiences. Visually: Patterns appeared on things, lots of play of light and shadow, everything was slanted or deflated, surfaces swished around a lot, light and colors were altered in various ways. Music was excellent. Our minds were moving pretty quickly and we had some great psychedelic conversations; the mindset was not far from a good psychedelic weed mindset (at least compared to the other psychedelics I've tried), but far stronger. We both laughed our asses off; at times I wasn't able to catch breath because I couldn't stop laughing, and my cheek muscles were hurting like crazy from overuse. Lots of recursive humor, as is my custom. In addition to the good effects, I also felt a sort of drunken-style intoxication that I'm not used to on psychedelics. Coordination and balance weren't great.

We dosed at noon and I still felt effects at 7-8 PM, but when I had to do some work at that time (I freelance and have to work from home on the weekends sometimes), I was able to focus on work.

Unfortunately, although I enjoyed the trip, it was made much less pleasant by the continuous muscle tension that I experienced, and the GI pain that my wife (and I to a lesser extent) experienced; throughout the entire trip. (There was much release of gas that night!) She also had a splitting headache that night and still had a headache this morning. She said she'd never do 2c-i again for those reasons, and I may only try a lower dose for myself next time as I agreed that it felt hard on the body. 2c-e and 2c-d didn't feel nearly as tough on my body.

If she wants to try again, I'm going to suggest 4-Aco-DMT and see how that goes. :)
 
In moderate dosages, 4-aco-DMT is one of the best beginner psychs IMO. Much less anxiogenic and confusing than mushrooms and a more friendly body high.

Try 10-15mg for a first timer.
 
I have a friend who is like this with amphetamines - he can take amounts that would have me awake for two days straight and out of my mind with not even an eighth of the effects that I have.

Other drugs hit him fine though.

Some people are just resistant. Maybe try finding some good acid?
 
Hi mate, I've had 2c-i and 4-aco-dmt both a number of times. The digestive disturbances you refer to are common and very unpleasant with 2ci. I too will be happy if I never do it again - unless combined with mdma that is, what a combo! But that's another conversation

Definitely agree with giving her some 4-aco-dmt. That stuff is pure magic, I love love love it, so happy, trippy, and just downright fun. Definitely do it with her and report back on how she went!
 
given your description of her experience with mushrooms, & greatly different results with 2c-i, it may be a possibility that she is not very sensitive to tryptamines in general. As 4-aco-dmt is at least partially a prodrug of psilocin, the main active constituent of mushrooms, she may have dimished results again. This isn't anything terribly odd, but just an individual difference in body chemistry. I'd guess starting with 10-15mg (to be on the safe side) and having some booster doses ready to take after an hour or so if she's not feeling effects would be the way to go. Make sure she takes the dose on an empty stomach though, as that can decrease some of the GI problems, as well as not delay absorption of the drug, causing a premature re-dose. And most importantly, Have Fun!
 
Perhaps she should try a higher dose of mushrooms? I know that when I'm at a two-gram range, I tend to get that sort of anxious "dwelling on the threshold" feeling, like being on the edge and not quite being thrown over. Usually this makes me have that "feeling like I need to do something" feeling. Perhaps her trip just wasn't present enough, and the discomfort came from the signal just not coming through all the way/.
 
So, it does kind of seem like this does relate to my fiance (from this thread). When she first started her journeys with me, she had very low reaction to tryptamines, they'd hardly work or they'd be equal to what mine are eventually. Now she goes nuts on extremely low doses of tryptamines. Anyway ,something I can HIGHLY suggest is mescaline. Mescaline is one of the most amazing, romantic, patient, non-overwhelming, comfortable trips ever! Like, roll-like feeling, beauitiful, unique visuals, the nausea of the beginning passes eventually. And its easy to get! It's in so many cacti, peruvian torch has the best quality as far as I've seen.
 
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