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Addiction = Inability to experience pleasure

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I read an interesting blog post/ about drug addiction the other day. (I have some sort of sick obsession about heroin addiction and sick habit of romanticizing it. So I read blogs about addiction pretty often.)

It discusses an NPR segment about a book called The Compass of Pleasure, in which the author states "the scientific definition of addiction is actually rooted in the brain’s inability to experience pleasure". He explains that “In order to get to that same set point of pleasure that others would get to easily — maybe with two drinks at the bar and a laugh with friends —(an addict/alcoholic) . . . needs six drinks at the bar to get the same thing.” Basically, your dopamine receptors are busted.

I have never heard addiction referred to in this way before and found it to be an interesting perspective. What do you guys think? Are we attracted to drugs more than others simply because we need more of a stimulus than others to feel pleasure?

I know that when others seem to be having a great time, no matter the activity/drug/etc that I feel nowhere near the same. People often ask me "What's wrong? , Why are you so grumpy? , Aren't you ever happy? etc. I'm not grumpy or anything, I just don't show it or feel it like they do. It's not like I can't feel happy or have fun, I just don't get to that same level they do.
My DOC makes me feel amazing (as do most drugs for most people). Happiness I never knew was possible before getting into drugs. The past few days I've been on opiates and there apparently is a noticeable difference before and after they affect me. (Even though I think pills have a more subtle effect than shooting up.) My family (unaware that I use any drugs) commented that I seemed happier and friendlier. I know drugs are going to affect me like that anyway because they take you to an extreme you can't experience on your own. But why cant I be happier and friendlier (like others) without them? I swear I could win the lottery and wouldn't have more than a slight grin on my face.

Just musing and thinking aloud really... The blog post really got me thinking though. I find the psychological and sociological aspects of the brain to be quite fascinating.
 
This is more of a DC or something topic but anyway, I sort of agree. I think everyone is born/lives with varying levels of the yummy chemicals bouncing around in their brains (serotonin, dopamine, endorphins, etc) and some people may have naturally low levels in one or more of these. It's also very possible that life experience can just build up in a negative way to make it seem like this.

I'm not sure there's any scientific basis, but from a theoretical standpoint it makes sense. All my life I've been anxious, uncomfortable, and not so happy. I found opiates, and when I got stoned I felt "normal" - sociable, productive, not obsessive, and able to ignore the glaring inadequacies of our culture/society. When I first experienced opiate withdrawal it immediately reminded me of most of my life before drugs, especially in the nervous-wreck type moments, just amplified. I have always hated stimulants, they do nothing for me, and drugs as a whole are nothing special to me, but opiates to me is like finding god.
 
Yeah that's how opiates work for me as well. I read a memoir by a drug addict and he said before drugs he "felt like everyone but me was given the manual to life". Or something like that. That's exactly how I feel but when I'm high I feel okay, like I belong.
 
In order to confirm this theory, you need to conduct some research pertaining to the 'disease model', put your research along side the authors, deconstruct both and try to draw links between both sets of research, and your subjective experience. Rounding it off with a hypothesis would be the key to your ultimate goal, which is to draw solid conclusions or in the least a discussion.

The author's ideas seem to be psychologically focused, rather than neuroscientifically, so I'm going to opt out of a response.

I'm moving this to Drug Culture.

BDD-->DC
 
I read an interesting blog post/ about drug addiction the other day. (I have some sort of sick obsession about heroin addiction and sick habit of romanticizing it. So I read blogs about addiction pretty often.)


So do I, for whatever damn reason. I haven't ever even done hard drugs but I find it so intriguing. I've seen documentaries on heroin addictions and videos of people shooting up and normally people would be disgusted by this, but I look and feel like I function on the same level as thos people.
 
I can really relate to this, as many addicts can. The question is are we really born with a fucked up neuro chemical system? Or do we just choose to look at things negatively. I really don't know, i just know that i am never happy and giddy like most other people. The drugs made it much worse (especially you MDMA) but even before them most of the time i really wasn't in a great mood.

What's your plan tho OP, your doc opiates definitely do make things better and lively but that's only while you are on them. If you already had a damaged dopamine system, the opiates are just kicking it down and making sure it won't get up for a while. Not hating, as i self medicate (or did) but yea..
 
Yeah that's how opiates work for me as well. I read a memoir by a drug addict and he said before drugs he "felt like everyone but me was given the manual to life".

Nic sheff- "tweak"

Yes, I'm crazy

Good shit, he describes a lot of things about addiction really well, his dad wrote a book "beautiful boy" basically the other side of his addiction. And then nic (the son) wrote a second book "we all fall down" about the next few years of addiction/recovery. All 3 books are amazing, especially together, if you're an addict/recovering.
 
So do I, for whatever damn reason. I haven't ever even done hard drugs but I find it so intriguing. I've seen documentaries on heroin addictions and videos of people shooting up and normally people would be disgusted by this, but I look and feel like I function on the same level as thos people.

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I was starting to think I was some sort of sick weirdo! But it's so damn fascinating.

Nic sheff- "tweak"

Yes, I'm crazy

Good shit, he describes a lot of things about addiction really well, his dad wrote a book "beautiful boy" basically the other side of his addiction. And then nic (the son) wrote a second book "we all fall down" about the next few years of addiction/recovery. All 3 books are amazing, especially together, if you're an addict/recovering.

Ah, Tweak! I couldn't remember the book. I love Tweak and I read We All Fall Down, as well. Haven't read Beautiful Boy yet, but it will be interesting to read a book from the POV of someone besides the addict.
 
What's your plan tho OP, your doc opiates definitely do make things better and lively but that's only while you are on them. If you already had a damaged dopamine system, the opiates are just kicking it down and making sure it won't get up for a while. Not hating, as i self medicate (or did) but yea..

Yeah, I know what a slippery slope it is. But, it's like even though I know the consequences, all I can think of is the instant gratification I'll get. I don't know if it's my age or I'm just some sort of fucked up. I'm 90% sure I'll probably end up a full blown addict. I don't mind that at all, but I would hate the pain and trouble it would cause my family. :/
 
I was doing oxy 30's for an extended time because they worked where the anti depressants and even ADD meds docs tried putting me on to get me out of my lazy depression / being emotionally detached. While I was using opiates I made so many friends and experienced so many good times that my sober body/brain would never do. The whole time no one could tell I was on anything they just knew I was happy finally. Sober I only seem relaxed and content is when I'm home alone. I miss my blue boys!
 
I hate the smell of eurospeed, I used to love it cause it'd mean I'd be high soon. Now it just makes me gag.
 
Yeah I see what yer sayin an it makes alotta sense. I too won't show emotions as much an know when ppl are like why ain't ya havin any fun? I'm like bitch I was havin fun until you came over here an ruined for me. Just cuz I dnt smile a lot dnt mean I ain't havin a good time.

Like I always have a better time on drugs 100% of the time. Opiates now cuz I'm hooked but before that it was loads of votka an beer. Like in drug/alc classes when I was there they would say how its 'inappropriate' to go to certain occasions or gatherings under thee influence but that never made sense to me cuz I wouldn't enjoy the occasion if I wasn't uti or id have a lot more fun goin drunk or high. I mean like yer wedding or somethin I'm only 20 but shit I can't imagine not doin a shot of dope before gettin married. It make everythin perfect.
 
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