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addicted to spice?

fridgebuzz

fridgebuzz

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I feel like an utter dipshit for creating this thread because I am solely responsible for my actions, but I can't stop smoking this stuff. After I'm done typing this thread I'm probably going to go to the gas station and buy some more. I began smoking it because it's cheaper and more intense than weed and doesn't leave me feeling groggy and strung out every morning like weed did. I don't even like pot. I was addicted to it. I don't think it can be addicting so it must be a lifestyle choice on my part to get me addicted. The plan was to ween myself off weed with spice, and now that I haven't smoked pot in months I've replaced my habit with spice and can't seem to stop. I'm worried about my health. That should be enough for me to stop, right? Well apparently I can't think of anything better to do this lazy night but smoke spice and watch movies. The problem is every night becomes a lazy night when I combine pot or spice. Swimming regularly helped me get over smoking immensely but the local pool is closed indefinitely for repairs.

I know nobody here can help. This post has helped me put some personal issues into perspective. Consider this my confession. ;)
 
You want to quit using Spice because of health risks? Okay, that's fine, but for a lot of people (and it sounds like you too), looming fears of how health *could* go bad isn't quite enough.

"I want to stop drinking so that my physical body doesn't turn to shit."
"Then why did you drink this morning?"
"Well...because I woke up feeling like utter shit!"

Drug/alcohol abuse trains people to think in the short-term. A drink, a joint, an injection, it's all instant gratification. Long-term consequences are often ignored, especially after that first drink has gone down (hell, after two or three we don't even care about that god-awful hangover tomorrow morning). Point being, a person used to living to maximize short-term conditions is not going to be that strongly motivated by things in the distant future - good or bad.

Instead of of thinking "if I drink, then [Bad Thing X] will happen down the road," try thinking "This [Good Thing Y] will be negatively affected by me using TODAY."

So instead of your using only possibly having a negative effect in your long-term, as long as you keep your life full of Good Things, using will rip apart these good things in the short-term.

Some of my good things are that I workout every morning and I read a good mystery novel in bed at night. If I got wasted right now, would I really (beyond superficially) care if it might help lead me to liver damage in twenty years? NO. But would it stop me from a good gym session in the morning? Yes! Would shooting some dope after work permanently collapse every single vein in my body? NO. Would I probably nod out and miss the last chapters of this weeks book? Ya.

Nobody likes worrying about their health, but I kinda do like working out and reading my cheesy novels. So as much as the goal is quitting your Drug of Choice, really it's also about coming up with interests, routines, little Good Things to fill your day with that you actually like doing and would not want to have interrupted. Seriously, pick anything, but boredom is the worst enemy for a lot of us TDSers.

Just drop the negative thinking - I cannot use because it will destroy my health. That's just like a sober person always thinking I can't go to the bar. I can't go to the casino. I can't go to the wedding. All this negative pressure leads to nowhere but trouble. Take a bottom-up approach, and build a life around you that has enough potential that there's no need to complicate it with either excessive worrying or drinking/drugging.
 
I can really understand the predicament you find yourself in. As a guy who been fucked up on *something* everyday for the last 15 years, it can be kind of scary to move on from taking a drug every night. Getting high is a pretty easy way to entertain yourself. If you don't smoke- you'll likely be bored or maybe you'd have to confront a problem you've been avoiding- neither of these states is all that desirable compared to being high. You have to accept that you'll have to put some time and effort into finding other activities to replace time spent smoking spice. You mentioned you used to swim before the pool was closed. How about running? Biking? What are your other interests? You can get really into other things that don't include smoking and find them much more rewarding than you ever thought. Best of all, these other activities have lasting power and yield you dividends throughout the rest of your life. Get out there and start exploring- it needn't even require all that much money. Be creative and just focus on putting some effort in. It's precisely this advice I'm trying to follow myself.
 
Yo customer I feel u on feeling stupid part..I have been addicted to spice for well over a year now.. and yes I said ADDICTED ..at first it was all mental I somoked it.. well because I was a burnout.. and my little brother went off to college so I lost all my connects.. so I started smoking spice.m and you know"it's just likeweed".. I could have not been more wrong.. I hae suffered a ego death.. that was terrifying to say the least but .. 1 of the most beautiful thing that ever happened to me.. I would never want to repeat the experience but .. very profound on a different level.. so I continued with my spicy you knowing full on what the hell I just did.. then 1 week and I went to my dads and I didn't bring any spice. . I'm sure I was up for 3 days straight off and on all night.. with cold sweats. I never fell asleep for more than 2 hours straight. .. I'm telling you as a person who knows how you're feeling get the f*** away from the shit while it is still mental addiction and doesn't turn physical
 
Spice? I've never tried it, and from all the bad shit I've ever heard, I don't ever plan to. Datura would come first before spice. Now that's saying something!

All I can say is just try to stop now, like daylights said, before you end up physically addicted to it. Not much is really known about spice from what i've read.
 
I told a couple friends about this problem.. because they smoke about a gram... more every day.. I told of about my physical symptoms the last at me and said yeah right.. like I would make that shit up staying up for 4 days straight sleeping very little with leg cramps cold sweats hot sweats.. and no I wasn't doing any other substances at the time.. it's been months of no use dryer before that
 
DayLights said:
I told a couple friends about this problem.. because they smoke about a gram... more every day.. I told of about my physical symptoms the last at me and said yeah right.. like I would make that shit up staying up for 4 days straight sleeping very little with leg cramps cold sweats hot sweats.. and no I wasn't doing any other substances at the time.. it's been months of no use dryer before that
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Dude I'm addicted to a local blend with same side effects. It's costing me 300-400$ a month, I haven't slept a real whole 5 hours in months, I can't remeber shit and it effects me at work. Whats weird is I'm addicted to that feeling when you wake up all sweaty and take that first hit. So I'll end up falling asleep over and over all night. I need some motivation to quit or this stuffs going to ruin me.
 
Cannabis is a partial agonist at CB1, and it has been shown in numerous studies (100+ studies, and I've made a highly abridged list of these in another thread in TDS) to cause a physical withdrawal syndrome (comparable to nicotine withdrawal, which is actually fairly bad).

Spice is loaded with compounds that are likely full agonists at CB1, and can cause an even more pronounced withdrawal syndrome than cannabis. Its totally normal to experience withdrawal symptoms from spice! take care of yourself, and try to give yourself space from your source of these materials so that you can brave the withdrawal and get well again. They are quite addictive!
 
Spice is fucking addictive as hell. I can't believe i got hooked again... 1st time was AM2201. Been smoking spice on and of since late 2007 and never had a real issue until AM2201. Stuff got me so fucking hooked!! I'd be coughing up phlem but it'd crystalize if you let it dry... fucking bad shit. I used other drugs to reduce the withdrawl (MXE, Etizolam, Xanax, paracetamol (for the sweats)) Now I started hitting the new UR-144 or whatever blends. I thought these are not to bad, no crystalized phlem (at first), not as intense as AM2201, etc. Now I am having to quit again... Fuck! The sweats are the worst... a bit like coming of smack but not quite as bad (less nausea, less aches/cramps, but they are still there!) So going to go through that this weekend... just need to get some benzo's... Yeah and I smoke 3 or more grams a day now, it was 1 g a month ago and I've only been re-hitting the spice for the past 3 months... addiction potential is fucking high!
 
I remember being hooked to some blend called serenity back when it still contained jwh 018. It made me feel like shit all the time but i kept smokingg it anyway. I quit and i feel normal again. It took like 4 months to feel like myself again. I personally believe these smoking blends are dangerous and shady as hell.
 
i'd stop with the synth cannabinoids and smoke regular old cannabis. The high lasts longer and it tastes nice and won't hurt you physically. I smoked synths for like 6 months and had no real issues except anxiety. It's an easy transition from spice to cannabis and will cost about the same per month so i'd do the switch, then you can taper off the cannabis if you so desire, or just smoke at nights/weekends whatever you want.
 
I've been addicted to spice about a year now although I been smoking it for about 2 but just this past year it got bad I would spend every penny and every moment of my time smoking. Although i had heard all that they say about spice i never really reasearched anything about how it was effecting me. Then Monday one of my friends that also smokes spice calls me freaking out tell me I need to quit right away because it causes kidney failure. Well I instantly started looking up info and sure enough 30 known cases so far. Then I realized reading all these postings everything my body was going thru everyone else who smoke spice was goin thru. The more and more I read different people's experience the more I got freaked out so I flushed my stash and decided right then and there I'm worth way more than that I want to live a long healthy life not be on dialysis or something like that for the rest of my life so I will be honest Tuesday was the worst the withdrawals were horrible but today day 3 i feel 10 times better i don't think my mood been this good in over a year and physically no pain and feel fine no withdrawals at all not even psychological. I plead with anyone who is smoking this crap STOP immediately love yourself more its real people are dying having kidney failure going blind throwing up blood nothing about any of that is normal and that's only some of the things happening to people due to smoking spice. I will be updating my progress I just want anyone who reads my posting to know how serious that crap is and that its more than possible to quit!
 
Update on my progress. It's amaZing I feel like a million bucks. Now I will say I have spit up souch black phlegm. Last night had a little trouble falling asleep but once I did I was out for the night. I also have slight lower back pain were my kidneys are located and frankly I'm quite scared I may have done damage, so I've made a dr. Appointment to have my kidneys tested, get some blood work just an overall physical I explained to my dr. What I had been doing for the past two years and he flipped out on me and said its more than necessary for me to come in and if nothing else have my kidneys checked out. He then began to explain to me what researches have found that spice does to your body . He said that drug what it does is draw out your organs and it starts with your kidneys. I then told him about my back pains and he got even more serious with me. Told me I needed to come in today so I am I Will let you all know how that goes for me I'm hoping good but with all the spice I ingested over the past 2 years I know that the possibilities of damage being done is more than possible. Once again I plead with anyone to STOP its not a game or a joke it's a Nasty drug that can kill you I'm willing to go thru this with anyone who wants and needs help shit we can do it together. Just stay off of it get rid of your pack NOW go to a dumpster and throw away any paraphernalia you may have as they only lead to temptation stay strong and venting on these forums have helped me so try that too. Try anything except picking smoking the crap thanks hope my story will help at least one attic if it does I did my job
 
I've never used spice/k2/JWW etc. but I have an acquaintance who does or did in the past and he told me how for a period of time he was addicted to whatever legal RC cannabinoid chem he was using.
 
Exactly spice is so addictive but u don't even realize it until you try to stop for the 1st time. I admitted myself to the ER Friday night due to my kidneys feeling like they were on fire for a couple of days and the pain was getting worst and I couldn't take it anymore well turns out my kidneys are fine I just had a horrible infection in my kidneys i was dehydrated and had 1% potassium in my system which could be deadly my dr. Said these are all effects of smoking spice it draws out your kidneys and the potassium in your system as well as it makes you super dehydrated my dr. Told me to let anyone I know that smokes spice or has smoked to eat lots of bananas and drink lots of orange juice look people if u are still smoking go c a doctor even if you have no intentions on quitting just make sure u are no in bigger trouble than u think. When I arrived at the ER there was hundreds of people in the waiting room that were ahead of me but as soon as I said I smoked spice they rushed me to the back and began running all the test on me. The medical officials know this drug is super serious and could cause life threatening issues my dr. Said he also says y do you think you were priority over every person in the waiting room. So go to the dr if you don't have insurance like me go to ER they will see u and you most likely won't even have to wait as long as you tell them the truth
 
Spice is dangerous stuff guys. I've seen a few of my friends get addicted to it. Everyday they would say "one more bag." One of my friends actually overdosed on it when he combined it with alcohol. He stopped breathing and i had to call an ambulence. He was in a coma for 18 hours and would have died had he not received medical attention.
 
developingcolor said:
Spice is dangerous stuff guys. I've seen a few of my friends get addicted to it. Everyday they would say "one more bag." One of my friends actually overdosed on it when he combined it with alcohol. He stopped breathing and i had to call an ambulence. He was in a coma for 18 hours and would have died had he not received medical attention.
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This is my point exactly people I used to say the same thing, " oh I'm just going to get this last bag an then I'm done for good " and before that bag was all the way gone i would be in line to purchase my next. Now that I don't smoke it I feel like I have my life back my bank account or my life no longer revolves around spice I was actually able to afford everything My family and i wanted for Christmas with no issues i was able to go out of town for a week and visit with my family without the fear of not knowing where i was going to buy my spice and I knew I would go thru the withdrawals and didn't want anyone in my family to c me like that so I just stayed away stayed away for 2 years I missed 2 years with my sister my mom my aunt uncles and cousins. Some of my cousins had children that are 2 years old that I had never met I'm telling u that was the best feeling in the world to be honest
 
RedLeader said:
Point being, a person used to living to maximize short-term conditions is not going to be that strongly motivated by things in the distant future - good or bad.

Instead of of thinking "if I drink, then [Bad Thing X] will happen down the road," try thinking "This [Good Thing Y] will be negatively affected by me using TODAY."
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This is really good advice.
 
RedLeader said:
You want to quit using Spice because of health risks? Okay, that's fine, but for a lot of people (and it sounds like you too), looming fears of how health *could* go bad isn't quite enough.

"I want to stop drinking so that my physical body doesn't turn to shit."
"Then why did you drink this morning?"
"Well...because I woke up feeling like utter shit!"

Drug/alcohol abuse trains people to think in the short-term. A drink, a joint, an injection, it's all instant gratification. Long-term consequences are often ignored, especially after that first drink has gone down (hell, after two or three we don't even care about that god-awful hangover tomorrow morning). Point being, a person used to living to maximize short-term conditions is not going to be that strongly motivated by things in the distant future - good or bad.

Instead of of thinking "if I drink, then [Bad Thing X] will happen down the road," try thinking "This [Good Thing Y] will be negatively affected by me using TODAY."

So instead of your using only possibly having a negative effect in your long-term, as long as you keep your life full of Good Things, using will rip apart these good things in the short-term.

Some of my good things are that I workout every morning and I read a good mystery novel in bed at night. If I got wasted right now, would I really (beyond superficially) care if it might help lead me to liver damage in twenty years? NO. But would it stop me from a good gym session in the morning? Yes! Would shooting some dope after work permanently collapse every single vein in my body? NO. Would I probably nod out and miss the last chapters of this weeks book? Ya.

Nobody likes worrying about their health, but I kinda do like working out and reading my cheesy novels. So as much as the goal is quitting your Drug of Choice, really it's also about coming up with interests, routines, little Good Things to fill your day with that you actually like doing and would not want to have interrupted. Seriously, pick anything, but boredom is the worst enemy for a lot of us TDSers.

Just drop the negative thinking - I cannot use because it will destroy my health. That's just like a sober person always thinking I can't go to the bar. I can't go to the casino. I can't go to the wedding. All this negative pressure leads to nowhere but trouble. Take a bottom-up approach, and build a life around you that has enough potential that there's no need to complicate it with either excessive worrying or drinking/drugging.
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Perfectly put sir.
 
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